Be Honest... Would you pay $625 for this knife?

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Esav Benyamin said:
It really would be a shame to close this thread. But with the constant off-topic, personal remarks, it could be hours of work to hand out infractions. That's why moderators give up on the childishness -- and get complaints for not doing anything.
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This is actually one of the most consistently moderated forums I've been to.

It is hard to believe we're mostly grown men here sometimes--and I include myself in that remark as well. :D
 
Boris74 said:
I wonder if anyone else is aware that when Mr. Winkler gets a knife to test against his wares, that too keep everyone honest he would have to send his knife to a third party for testing. Otherwise it's a Burgerking testing the Big Mac against their whopper and we all know what will be the winner, when we know what will win when McDonald's does the same test. Ask a Chevy engineer what is better about a mustang compared to a camaro. I think you get what I'm saying, that's why I am quoting you. No matter ones integrity they will always be biased to their own products. In reality a third party needs to conduct the test because like I said, I could snap the blade on the camp knife in 5 minutes and instantly declare the 37 winner that has lasted two months of abuse and the camp knife didn't make it 5 minutes.

Take it as you may, but if Mr winkler is actually interested in a head to head of two knives that are actually apples to oranges, he will need to send them to someone else to keep it fair. Otherwise it's the same circle we see here.
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Nice, comparing Winkler to fast food. Good one. You see, Mr. Winkler isn't some big fast food corp making tons of money off of feeding tons of fat to people. Mr. Winkler is a stand up guy whom most of us trust. And plus Boris, this is no longer about you. We don't give a flying duck fart what you think anymore. It is clear no matter the results from no matter who did the test nothing would hold up to your "high" standards. This is for our purposes now.
 
RedLynx said:
All fair points, but you did ask someone to send you the camp knife (although you also made the offer to come to the ranch, so perhaps you were joking about testing the camp knife yourself). If you got the camp knife would you have someone else test it?

With how much you seem to use your knives I would prefer you be the tester,but then we come back to the problem of inherent bias.
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I know I would be fair. My only interest is being outdoors, knives enable me to do what I want when I am. The problem is what could I say if it did in fact break? Being honest here, if it were someone else I would not believe them that it broke from normal use. If I could break it and it happened through bad judgement or error on my part I'd openly admit it, but no one would be able to know for sure it wasn't on purpose.

Third party testers keep everyone honest. I might take a risk with the camp knife I wouldn't with my knife because one is my keeper and the other will be sent back. Not saying I'd get stupid on purpose but human nature being what it is, any of us could make a slip and just do it that one time. I'd love to test it but to keep it fair, I would respectfully decline. That's the other problem, not a single one of the gang here believes me that it's a beast of a knife. It's tough. One fella even accused me of photoshopping the blade in a log lmao. That's the level of experience a fair test by me would be pitted against. Isn't worth the hassle to listen them kinds after I reported through out 30 straight days of constant use.

Only person here I have seen post usage pics about the level of my usage is Lost Viking. Send him both for unbiased testing.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
It really would be a shame to close this thread. But with the constant off-topic, personal remarks, it could be hours of work to hand out infractions. That's why moderators give up on the childishness -- and get complaints for not doing anything.
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I hope this thread is not closed. This is healthy discussion and we may all learn quite a bit in the end.

If this thread is closed, it probably won't be Boris' fault. Don't let it be on you!

Eric
 
Okay guys, With all the people who have contacted I think we have the amount. I'm going to eat dinner now (yeah, I facilitated this while cooking dinner, I know, talent). I'll update after. Thanks to everyone!
 
Boris74 said:
I wonder if anyone else is aware that when Mr. Winkler gets a knife to test against his wares, that too keep everyone honest he would have to send his knife to a third party for testing. Otherwise it's a Burgerking testing the Big Mac against their whopper and we all know what will be the winner, when we know what will win when McDonald's does the same test. Ask a Chevy engineer what is better about a mustang compared to a camaro. I think you get what I'm saying, that's why I am quoting you. No matter ones integrity they will always be biased to their own products. In reality a third party needs to conduct the test because like I said, I could snap the blade on the camp knife in 5 minutes and instantly declare the 37 winner that has lasted two months of abuse and the camp knife didn't make it 5 minutes.

Take it as you may, but if Mr winkler is actually interested in a head to head of two knives that are actually apples to oranges, he will need to send them to someone else to keep it fair. Otherwise it's the same circle we see here.
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Another twist, another turn, more BS excuses. More attempts to try to besmirch the integrity of an ABS Mastersmith...
Mr. Winkler knows what he's doing. He will do a fine job on the test. Your part here is done. Just sit back and wait for the results.
 
craytab said:
Nice, comparing Winkler to fast food. Good one. You see, Mr. Winkler isn't some big fast food corp making tons of money off of feeding tons of fat to people. Mr. Winkler is a stand up guy whom most of us trust. And plus Boris, this is no longer about you. We don't give a flying duck fart what you think anymore. It is clear no matter the results from no matter who did the test nothing would hold up to your "high" standards. This is for our purposes now.
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You are plain wrong. An unbiased test can only be performed by a third party. Imagine your remarks when you read Schrade tested one of his knives and posted it lost miserably. Same goes for him. Do you honestly think he could admit at any level a $30.00 is as good and possibly better than his $625.00 knife? Your lying to yourself if he will shoot himself in the foot and say hey kids, a $30.00 knife just did everything my $625.00 knife did. His sales would be non existent after that.

Grow up. Learn how things work off line. Your snide better than everyone attitude is getting old. As it is you never seem to post anything constructive on your actual use of any knife. So your motivation to post is suspect to being trollish. Good job painting a picture of what to expect from you.
 
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Ken44 said:
Who's going to be the impartial tester, or will there be an impartial judge there ?
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Anyone know ?



BTW- if some of you can't help from going Whine and Cheese on Boris you'll wind up getting this thread locked. The insults are a bit harsh for the General Forum. I don't agree with him either(other than there needs to be an impartial tester), but I feel the harsh insults need to stop if you want to keep the thread open.

Also- Jerry Busse has said he will take on any Challangers at the Blade show. Not sure if it's still open, but I would like to see it.
 
AntDog said:
Another twist, another turn, more BS excuses. More attempts to try to besmirch the integrity of an ABS Mastersmith...
Mr. Winkler knows what he's doing. He will do a fine job on the test. Your part here is done. Just sit back and wait for the results.
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I see you posting a bunch, just curios what your experience with the steel and that knife is?

If you have any everyone would be interested in hearing about it.
 
I have zero experience with either knife in question. I'm simply interested. I have plenty of experience actually using knives made from many different steels. I'm no expert, but I definitely use the ever-loving heck out of my knives.
I have been eyeballing Winkler knives for quite a while and lusting hopelessly after the belt knife model. I just don't have the funds for one right this minute.
 
The economics in me is bemoaning the fact that I don't have $600 bucks to buy a CGFBM Busse knife to send to Mr. Winkler so I can 99.9% likely get a return of my investment by obtaining his own knife in the bargain with my Busse knife largely unmolested. :p
 
I've never heard of Winkler Knives until I clicked on this thread.

At first, looking at the knife I was like "nope, not my cup of tea for the price".

But after reading the thread, and hearing from Mr. Winkler himself, I want to buy one just to support his business and try one out. I probably realistically won't, but I really like his character.

Now for the other drunk troll in the thread....well.....his character has really been shown by himself.
 
AntDog said:
I have zero experience with either knife in question. I'm simply interested. I have plenty of experience actually using knives made from many different steels. I'm no expert, but I definitely use the ever-loving heck out of my knives.
I have been eyeballing Winkler knives for quite a while and lusting hopelessly after the belt knife model. I just don't have the funds for one right this minute.
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Me too, in fact I qualify for his awesome military discount. I could own one for a good discount and it's tempting. I however do not believe in such discounts. too many people feel entitled to military discounts these days, almost makes me sick. Another reason to not get one is I have my kit finished after I got my new belt knife for fathers day that replaced a fallkniven F1 that took a wave to the edge, it's my garden knife now. i don't buy knives to buy knives. I buy them for hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, you get the idea. Even the small sebenza I got as a gift is constantly used. It is soaking in seafoam right now to remove pine sap from processing it for fire starting kits. It looks like hell right now, wouldn't have it any other way, dang thing is still tight after lots of use.
 
Glad to hear you like Mr. Winkler's style Mr. Clark.

However insulting other members will lead this great thread to getting locked. Please refrain. Thanks.
 
Contest between 7" SchradeF37 to 10" chopper in Bladesports setting won't provide much useful data beyond that 10" chopper blade is ~40% (3/7) longer than 7" shorty. If scale up the 7" to 10" while keeping the same profile & geometry, now with added angular + centrifgugal + momentum of a longer blade, easy to ask whether 1095 at 57-59rc (assuming reasonable 13-17dps) would pass some of the chopping tests.

When comparing an edge, it would be useful to include basic attributes: bevel angle & shoulder thickness; and micro-bevel if any. From pictures I can easy calculate blade bevel. Further more, to me high performance means - least energy use to complete given tasks; assuming optimal cutting technique per candidate/knife profile & geometry. Therefore, there is a big trade off between extra edge + blade thickness and cutting efficiency. Of course the extra thickness will increase strength & toughness by steel volume.

Well, there are many other variables/factors involve with chopping interaction - edge+blade wedging factor; wood/material wedge + bind + stretch + compress factors; forces vectors; psi; abrasion+adhesive wear; etc...

At the end of the day, for occasional uses in the wood $15 or $1000 blades might not matter much as long as both get the jobs/tasks done. However knowledgeable/discerning-taste users might opt for a high performance blade.
 
Topcatpt said:
I vote nutnfancy for the third party tester just saying
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He would be my last choice, his knife reviews leave a lot to be desired.

but honestly, there is no need for a third party as Mr. Winkler has already shown us that he is more than willing to do an unbiased comparison, as anybody here should be able to gather from his posts in this thread. Any self-respecting knifemaker has no business faking a proper comparison for the sake of deceiving us, as a forum there are many intelligent people here who would be able to see through the ruse if it happened and he would lose many fans. Mr. Winkler has shown nothing but class posting here, and I have no doubt he will be as unbiased as any third party.
 
Heck, send the knives to me for testing. :)

To be impartial, I'll keep both, no matter which one wins. :D
 
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