Beaumont KMG

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Thank you Esav for re-opening this thread . . .

I actually asked that this thread be deleted, but was told that is very rare to do that, so I thought re-opening would serve the same purpose.

I don’t want this thread or what it became to used two years down the road to beat up on Beaumont Metal Works while I am standing in front of my KMG bragging about what an ass kicking grinder it is having long forgot about a few rust spots I found on 150+ pounds of machined steel.

I will be re-editing all my post to read “....”, if you quoted anything I said that is negative towards KMG, please do the same.

If it is something that just makes me look like an ass, feel free to leave it.

“I SHOULD NOT HAVE POSTED ABOUT A PRODUCT WHILE ANGRY”

Sure as hell not prior to talking to the vendor FIRST ! ! !

Like a one poster said, maybe Bob read your post BEFORE you called him. . . uuuuuuuuum If that was case, he was really “NICE”.

That said, if you want to know why I did post, read below . . . If not, go to a “useful” thread, this is not one.

My initial post, probably came across as very negative . . . this is the reason you should never write an e-mail or post on a forum if you are angry at any level.

Writing will magnify you anger and those reading will pass over all the little things you would normally pick-up in a face to face conversation letting the person you are speaking to you really know your anger is about something trivial and really not worthy of getting upset about.

In the “old days” we wrote it, felt better, put a stamp on it, then tore it up and through it in the garbage can.

Then the only thing we were mad about then was loosing the damn stamp.

I thought I had learned that lesson years ago, but obviously forgot it.

Anyway, below is how I got here . . .

I spent the last two+ years building and outfitting a small shop @ my residence.

In those two years+ I built a metal building, purchased a CNC Plasma Table, (2) Miller Welders, ELLIS Band Saw, Quincy Air Compressor & the list goes on & on.

It seems everyone of those purchases brought some sort of problem to my door as is the case with everything you buy today.

It was either wrong equipment, broke equipment, wrong parts, poor packing or freight problems. (Actually caught a delivery guy stealing out of my shop.)

Anyway there was the daily frustration that nobody does their job now days.

They are all digitally handicapped (iPhone permanently attached to left their hand).

They never “really” leave home. They don’t think about their jobs anymore because they all stay connected to home, friends & family while at work.

Enough of that . . .

Back to when I received the KMG in April, first thing I did was check for damage. Opened the box, peaked in, everything looked fine.

It was packaged better than anything else I had received so far. So well packaged, I have re-used every piece of the packing material for something else.

I put the KMG and all the components next to my desk & it sat there for almost 5 months while I fought the last of the shop battles.

This past weekend I finally had a break & decided to set-up my KMG.

When I opened the main box enough to remove the grinder and started unpacking all the other boxes I noticed the things I mentioned in my original post.

Just when I thought all my battles were over, here I was looking at what I thought was another one.

One that I could not even go back to the manufacturer about since it had been sitting on my desk for 5 months.

Well I was wrong on what I thought was not right on the grinder as far as line up of pieces and parts.

Actually Bob explained that to me as I was ranting at him.

As to rust spots, I seriously doubt I would have bought a new gun costing less than 1/2 of that and not unboxed, cleaned and wiped down before storing.

I live in Louisiana, indoors or not . . . high quality stainless steel rust here . . . so I’m sure 5 months of sitting on my floor did not help.

My sincere apology to all I offended & to those who felt I offended their friend Bob Frink.

While I am a “wanne be” knife maker, I originally joined this forum because I like knives, collect Randall Combat Knives & most recently looking for advice as to the best built grinder for my shop for my intended use. I am still confident I will be very happy with my KMG from Beaumont.

Steve in Louisiana . . .
 
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First disappointment for me was after loosening all the bolts and attempting to line up all the surfaces to make them flush.

That was a wasted effort


Seriously? I'll bet all the screws on all the light switches in your house are aligned aren't they?


In the world of industrial machinery, it is unheard of to get a low volume American made heavy duty machine tool for $2,500. I have more than that in a facemill with inserts. You're not buying aesthetics.

With the exception of a horizontal bandsaw, I can't think of any industrial grade (not consumer grade) thing that I've bought that was turn key ready to go out of the box.

It is the nature of knifemakers that we tend to be mechanically inclined handy people. I've assembled charcoal grills that required more work than my KMG.

Mine has worked flawlessly, despite frequently running it with flood coolant, for many years without a glitch. Why don't you wait until you have actual problems with it before blasting it on the internet.
 
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This is a very sad story that a guy can't get help on a poor misfit of an item and not cheap either after paying that kind of money. Are all of the KMGs arrive unassembled? Frank
 
One thing I suggest before you put it together your KMG is to check the bearings.
When I purchased mine years ago one of the bearings heated and spun after only a few months.. It turned out the bearings were made in china. I replaced them with domestically made bearings. Might as well do it while you have it apart.

Here is an excellent machine for $2500.00 Mine purrs like a kitten

.http://trugrit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_90_99&products_id=5358
 
Well Nathan some of your products are on my want list & I seriously doubt anything coming from your shop would be anything like what I am dealing with. So I take it you think that regardless of what I got I should just shut up and quietly try to fix it.

I was kind of hoping if I heard from you it would be some suggestions as I asked for that would be improvements in the grinder, but I guess that is not coming.

As to aesthetics, since I have read that merely swapping which side the tool arm locks on can affect tracking on this grinder, yes I do have a problem with more misalignment than I see as possible slop when changing sides. So I do not see that as aesthetics . . .

I do not agree with your opinion that it is OK to send out what is supposed to be "turn-key" piece of equipment with burrs & zero instructions as to set up.

Also, I didn't pay $2,500.00 for any of the light switches in my house. . . I did pay $45,000.00+ for a CNC Plasma Table that is all welded and has far better fit and finish then the grinder I received . . . My ELLIS Band Saw in the same price range has EXCELLENT FIT & FINISH ! ! ! I'm just betting a lot more engineering, parts & labor were put in that band saw.

Steve



I'm not saying that you should shut up and fix it quietly. I'm saying that the KMG is a good honest piece of machinery and we're lucky to have it and it's not fair for someone who hasn't run theirs to blast it on the internet. This thread is going to show up on Google and it is going to bias people's opinion on the grinder. That's fine and dandy, if there is an actual gripe such as a piece that doesn't function properly (and even that is going to happen from time to time, they can't keep a staff of Toyota engineers) but that's not the case here.

The KMG is a bang-for-the-buck kind of grinder. You can spend a lot more money and not get a grinder that actually grinds better. It's super smooth, ultra durable, tracks well (in both directions!) and is extraordinarily easy to setup, swap out and adjust, both attachments and belts.

I'm fully capable of making a KMG grinder, and a local friend of mine has one. I took one look at it and decided I couldn't make one for less and bought one from Rob.

Selling to knife makers is difficult because you have a mix of hardcore full time makers and hobbyists, and most of them can't or won't spend a lot of money. You have people earning a living on machinery that doesn't cost as much as a good cold saw. It's difficult to make stuff for this crowd that is quality that people want to pay for. I did a run of quality grinding disks once that were twice as expensive as Rob's. And at that they were so cheap I barely made any money on them. A person could go broke trying to do this.




The improvements I would make to it as a grinder include a mud flap attached to and going back from the tracking arm to catch grit (and or water) launched from the drive wheel when grinding wet and when grinding with your face and eyes close to the belt. I wouldn't add that to the standard grinder, but that, and a water catch pan are the only tweaks I've made to the actual grinder itself.

As my back ages I start wishing the tool arms were aluminum.


But answer me a question (and be honest) are all the screws in your light switches clocked identical? They are aren't they? :p
 
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If you aren't satisfied, return it.

I think that when most individuals post about their poor experience, they're just looking for resolve a pickle they're in. Regardless of the circumstances it sort of strong-arms some sort of action from the manufacturer. Whether or not it's necessary to blast them negatively is between the consumer and manufacturer. I don't always feel that the customer is 100% right all the time, but if he/she's reasonable in their expectations, this thread could very easily have a happy ending...


This is by far the "short and sweet" answer to the problem considering he's getting nowhere with customer support. Plenty of other grinder manufacturers out there that would be more than happy to give you what you're willing to pay for. Dropping $2,500 on a machine, you should have high expectations for what comes to your door. Nobody will fault you for seeking another grinder elsewhere.


Good luck and happy hunting.
 
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All instructions for all his equipment is on his web site,including wiring .Printable of course.Do a little more surfin on his site,you'll find it.
Eddie
 
Now I get on here looking for tweaks & suggestions and Nathan says I'm to stupid to assemble a BBQ pit.

Steve, the forum has been pretty bumpy these past few days working things out. I read it as more of a "jovial" joking around post, but that's just my perspective.

Anywho, I'm now interested to hear the "tweaks" that are soon to follow...
 
Any chance you could tell me which bearings & where you purchased them. Being used to the PetroChem industry my mind stops at Grainger or Motion Industries if I know what I am looking for.

Thanks,
Steve

Steve,
I think this was directed towards me side i brought up the bearings. This was about 6years ago, I am not that experienced with bearings. I tapped them out and went to my local old time hardware store for the large Pillow block drive bearings and one Auto parts place to get the inside the wheel bearings.
I just put them on the counter and asked for quality domestically made or Japanese second.
I then called a buddy that I knew had much more experience to stop by on a Saturday to make sure I was putting them in correctly. I finally sold the KMG about one year ago.

Nathan,
I have seen a few KMG's with problems since I purchased mine.

Let me add that if the KMG I purchased had been made to the standards of the Chiller platen I purchased from you. I wouldn't have sold the KMG and the chiller platen with it.. KMGs aren't necessarily the best bang for the buck grinder anymore.

For guys on a budget, there are these great machines out now and others for less than the $2500.00 my Hardcore Products machine costs currently. http://www.wilmontgrinders.com/Pages/LBGrinder.aspx

No, my light switches may not be perpendicular, but I'm not running a grinding belt on them and grinding knives on them ether!;)
 
sdemars,I stand corrected.The instructions i was thinking of were in fact for the wiring.I just looked at the pics to assemble the machine.Went together quikly after a little layout and lookin the pics.
Eddie
 
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