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Beware Docbart - he's Bad News
- Thread starter jbravo
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Maybe the guy really is busy.Seems he is a MD.
Sometimes people lose track of things.I do it all the time.I buy and sell so much I cannot keep track of my transactions and have to go back to e/mails to refresh my memory.
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have a"knife"day
Sometimes people lose track of things.I do it all the time.I buy and sell so much I cannot keep track of my transactions and have to go back to e/mails to refresh my memory.
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have a"knife"day
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I just received a knife in trade from docbart yesterday; he represented it very well, sent it off to me quickly and it was a great trade!
Ryan
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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23
Ryan
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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:23
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Once again DOCBART has failed to honor his committment as a man. He emailed me w/ a definitive REFUND date and no REFUND and it has benn3 weeks now. He always has an excuse.
We all know that part of being a man is honoring your committments in life.
Wonder how that shows up in his life. His business I know.But I do need and want to keep others in awareness.
That's my business. We all need to have some level of Trust in this venu, as far as I'm concerned there is none. That's my opinion and also my right to voice my experiences w/ this individual. This is not judgement, but illumination of FACTS and experiences.
I welcome others who have shared similar experiences to share or let your voice be heard.
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
We all know that part of being a man is honoring your committments in life.
Wonder how that shows up in his life. His business I know.But I do need and want to keep others in awareness.
That's my business. We all need to have some level of Trust in this venu, as far as I'm concerned there is none. That's my opinion and also my right to voice my experiences w/ this individual. This is not judgement, but illumination of FACTS and experiences.
I welcome others who have shared similar experiences to share or let your voice be heard.
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
Cougar Allen
Buccaneer (ret.)
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Let's try to confine ourselves to the facts, gentlebeings. Such as, he promised me a refund and three weeks later I still haven't received it, though he has been in touch with me and has given excuses. That would be a fact. There is no need to talk about honor, trust, things like that ... just explain the facts and the facts will explain themselves.
One way of looking at it ... assume the readers of this forum are not children. When they find out the facts they can form their own conclusions about honor, trust, etc. ... if there are any children reading this forum who don't already understand those concepts they can ask a grownup to explain those things to them....
-Cougar Allen :{)
One way of looking at it ... assume the readers of this forum are not children. When they find out the facts they can form their own conclusions about honor, trust, etc. ... if there are any children reading this forum who don't already understand those concepts they can ask a grownup to explain those things to them....
-Cougar Allen :{)
I have to respectfully disagree with our gentleman moderator on this issue. These forums are more than the common marketplace, and should certainly aspire to much more than just a mercantile exchange. We should not have to worry unnecessarily about the honor and truthfulness of our fellow forumites. Where this trust has been betrayed, even if no money has been lost, it is of great importance to the rest of us.
If this is the marketplace, then sure the rule is "Let the buyer beware". We can act as we do elsewhere - kick the tires, take no statements at face value, and continually search for where the other guy is trying to screw us. All the disapproving threads about profiteering would disappear, because that would be the reason to come here in the first place! That's not what we're about, though. If someone is showing up on these forums and his behavior violates generally understood rules of honorable behavior, that is important news to be shared. Example: your word is your bond. If Docbart gave his word to Tam and then didn't keep it, as he did in dealing with me, it must be put into context, not just dollars and cents. As you point out, we are not children; however, that means we can make adult decisions about the viewpoints presented here, including such statements as how the poster feels he was treated. I know Tamishigiri to be an honorable person, so I value his opinion of what took place in the context of his ethical framework.
More information, not less, will serve us best.
If this is the marketplace, then sure the rule is "Let the buyer beware". We can act as we do elsewhere - kick the tires, take no statements at face value, and continually search for where the other guy is trying to screw us. All the disapproving threads about profiteering would disappear, because that would be the reason to come here in the first place! That's not what we're about, though. If someone is showing up on these forums and his behavior violates generally understood rules of honorable behavior, that is important news to be shared. Example: your word is your bond. If Docbart gave his word to Tam and then didn't keep it, as he did in dealing with me, it must be put into context, not just dollars and cents. As you point out, we are not children; however, that means we can make adult decisions about the viewpoints presented here, including such statements as how the poster feels he was treated. I know Tamishigiri to be an honorable person, so I value his opinion of what took place in the context of his ethical framework.
More information, not less, will serve us best.
Cougar Allen
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I guess I still haven't made myself clear.... I would like to see all the facts, all the information posted here. If after posting the facts, Mr. Fubar agreed to whatever the deal was and then he did whatever he did, you then go on to say, Mr. Fubar is a *#^%@$%# -- that's not adding any information, is it?
Just post the facts and we can all see Mr. Fubar is a *#^%@$%# ... you don't need to tell us what to think, we can think for ourselves ... we're not brain-dead idiots ... most of us....
This website has a policy against personal attacks. In general calling Mr. Fubar a *#^%@$%# is likely to lead to him calling you a @!*&^!@ and the thread degenerates from there, and the facts tend to get obscured with personal observations and ad hominem arguments and at best it doesn't help bring out the truth at all ... at worst buries the truth in a lot of garbage that is not easy to sort through to find the tiny kernel of useful information.
Occasionally a question of whether a practice is ethical or not comes up, and then we can discuss that, but most of the time we all agree on principles and the only question is what did Mr. Fubar do? If you explain how someone swindled you what does it accomplish to go on and say he is a swindler, he is dishonorable, he is unethical, etc. etc. etc? Give us a little credit ... we are capable of seeing for ourselves that a person who swindled you is a swindler! We don't need to be told he's dishonorable, unethical, any of that, just tell us what he did and we can all see what a swindling dishonorable unethical *#^%@$%# he is.
I don't want to censor anybody except as a last resort ... I'd rather jawbone; I hope that's all that's needed. Naturally people are likely to be upset when they post on this forum and feel like venting all their feelings, and we can give people a little slack about that, but this forum is really supposed to be about facts, not feelings.
-Cougar :{)
Just post the facts and we can all see Mr. Fubar is a *#^%@$%# ... you don't need to tell us what to think, we can think for ourselves ... we're not brain-dead idiots ... most of us....
This website has a policy against personal attacks. In general calling Mr. Fubar a *#^%@$%# is likely to lead to him calling you a @!*&^!@ and the thread degenerates from there, and the facts tend to get obscured with personal observations and ad hominem arguments and at best it doesn't help bring out the truth at all ... at worst buries the truth in a lot of garbage that is not easy to sort through to find the tiny kernel of useful information.
Occasionally a question of whether a practice is ethical or not comes up, and then we can discuss that, but most of the time we all agree on principles and the only question is what did Mr. Fubar do? If you explain how someone swindled you what does it accomplish to go on and say he is a swindler, he is dishonorable, he is unethical, etc. etc. etc? Give us a little credit ... we are capable of seeing for ourselves that a person who swindled you is a swindler! We don't need to be told he's dishonorable, unethical, any of that, just tell us what he did and we can all see what a swindling dishonorable unethical *#^%@$%# he is.
I don't want to censor anybody except as a last resort ... I'd rather jawbone; I hope that's all that's needed. Naturally people are likely to be upset when they post on this forum and feel like venting all their feelings, and we can give people a little slack about that, but this forum is really supposed to be about facts, not feelings.
-Cougar :{)
Cougar Allen
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I have the flu right now and I'm afraid I'm not writing very clearly, or thinking very clearly either. I think when I'm feeling a little better and my thoughts are more organized I'll post some "Guidelines for Posting" in a separate thread and we can keep kicking it back to the top like Bill Martino does with his safety post on the HI forum, and everybody can discuss policy in that thread, too, and we can clarify and refine and evolve our consensus on policy.
-Cougar Allen :{)
-Cougar Allen :{)
I recently completed a trade with docbart,it did take a while to complete because he had a personal emergency which he explained,all of my emails were answered by his secretary,while he was away,and he emailed me immediately upon his return,and overnighted his knife at his expense and it arrived exactly when he said it would the nixt day.i dont believe he ever meant any dishonesty on his part at all and would gladly trade with him again.
I'm wondering if DOCBART is quietly lurking and trying to PROVE how busy he really is. Even if he is a MD, that's still no excuse. If he had 10 patients and they all coded, it wouldn't take more than a day to resolve, much less have so little time he couldn't get his SECRETARY to send something off in terms of refund or something. People are chiming in about how their deals went smoothly, but what kind of emergency warrants this? I don't bandy around terms like "honor" but "dealbreaker" might apply.
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Still no Refund oe Email explianing why it has'nt arrived.
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Still hav'nt received money owed to me from transaction. Exactly 1 month today.
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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Still no response or refund.
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
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He's had his posting priviledges removed, let's see if that gains a response...
Spark
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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Perhaps a forum member who has sent docbart a knife or money can share his name and city so we can beware if he ever re-registers. If I were about to send money for a knife, I'd like to know that "John Smith" is on the bad list- no matter what nickname he uses, he still has to give his real name for the mail.
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Still no REFUND or email. He said it was in the mail 3weeks ago according to last emai.
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."
Thanks
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."