Beware Docbart - he's Bad News

Update... Still no refund.
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"This is the law:
There is no possible victory in defense, The Sword is more important than the shield, And skill is more important than either, The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

 
why not mailbomb him? less work, same effect.
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Docbart is back using an alias. He's still a rip off artist, and you should stay away from him. If you have any dealings with someone who's address is on "John Stockbauer" in Victoria Texas, you'd better be very careful: he's changed his name, he's used women's names instead of his own, but the address hasn't changed. He still owes me money, as well as other people here.
 
I was recently contacted by a:

Cyndie Tho****
4*** John Stockbauer
Box 2*
Victoria , Texas 77904

This trade was regarding a BM Balisong I was offering on the forum. When I was corresponding with this individual, they indicated they had seen the BM on the forum. After a few emails, we struck a deal and an exchange was attempted. I asked "Cyndie" what "her" forum handle was and the response was I don't have one. "I was getting offers of dates and "other" things." Needless to say redflags went up and I knew something was out of kilter. I received an email two days later that the package "she" sent was returned because of an improper address. Ironically, the address was included in the email he/she sent?!?!? So I knew things were difinetly askew!!!

Bottom line is, I finally received the knife I was trading for, but I'm positive after reading these posts this is the same person. There are simply to many similarities to be a different forum visitor! Luckly, I was not fousted by the individual. Frankly, the deal was great! It resolved itself and all was fine. I'm just confused as to what this person must be going through, that they need to do things from a "back door" mindset!?!?! I hope DOCBART can get his head screwed back on straight and not have to do things from such an extreme place?!?!
 
Thinking about it.... I traded for a T.O.P.S. stormrider. Is this someones knife I have from a sour deal?? I would feel like a heel if I received someones knife that was not paid for!!!

I traded the BM Balisong for the Brand New TOPS stormrider....


Man.... These just keeps getting more surreal!!
 
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Uh ehmm. hello group.... It was just pointed out in a private message that it appears I am "sticking up" for this Ummmmmmm... unsavory individual. That couldn't be farther from the truth! I was simply relating to the Forum community as truthfully as I could, the experience I had with Cyndie Thom***. I always try to look at things from a positive angle and I was simply sharing my experience. Each of us can make our own conclusions as to what type of character and honesty the principles in this unfortunate melodrama have. I hate it that jbravo,Tamishigiri and jadis have gotten burned and feel a lot of empathy for them. I thought I was being a team player. In viewing the posts in this and other forum discusions (Busse, BG&U et al), all to often a "pack mentality" prevails. I do find that many of those not "DIRECTLY" involved in these many of these sour dealings sometimes feel the necessity to participate in overt name calling and sniping without being directly involved in the deal. Cool heads and level judgement are forgotten and as with the recent Busse forum debacle things are said quickly and, regreted afterwards.

Soon everyone directly involved are "Kissee Kisseee all made up" and everyone acts a little sheepish because they choose sides and voiced their rather LOUD opinions! As with other forms of interaction, I vote with my money and my feet. I refuse to knowingly do business with shisters, swindlers, and thiefs.... That's why I check daily the GB&U forum. I can't and do not know everyone personally on this forum. That's why I have found the GB&U invaluable. I was only reciprocating in this incedence.
I was asked if I would "do business again with this person", and my reply was Helllllllllo NO. At least not until they have made amends and to everyones satisfaction, and corrected their previous deals. The outcome of my experience was OK dealing with "Cyndie" or whomever it was I had dealt with. I feel now I should have simply kept quite (as I have since my initialy joining the forums) and not shared my experience. I thought I "might" save someone the hassels of the jadis,Tamishigiri and jbravo by alerting others to the identity of the "ghost lurker".

Hmmmmmm..... Maybe, just maybe, I need to lurk a little more and see how people interact here on the forums. I definitly have a lot to learn and should simply keep my nose out of things that don't directly concern me!

I thought I was getting comfortable with the envoirnment, but it appears I may have a lot yet to learn! Sorry for any confusion folks!


"Back into the darkenss, wince I came!"




[This message has been edited by Maxon (edited 05-06-2000).]
 
Maxon,
I think you have done the right thing here. The purpose of the GB&U is for people to share their experiences good, bad, ugly, neutral or whatever. Although the mysterious person in question has burned more than a few people, he/she had an "OK" dealing with you. I think that it was right for you to post that.
I think it was also very honorable of you to realize that perhaps the knife you recieved in trade could have been from a bad deal, and you let us know what the knife was, so if in case it was someone elses maybe something could be worked out.
I think that BFC is a place for people to interact in a constructive environment...that doesn't always happen...but I think it would be a shame if you ceased participating.

Just some thoughts...

~Mitch
 
Maxon, you got my vote for doing the right thing
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I think that someone who pointed out that "it looked like you were sticking up" for Docbart meant it as an observation...in fact, I'm sure of it
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In any case I've posted my request to get the snail mail address of this individual and I finally got it a few days ago. Now, that's done let me hear about what your favorite DIGITAL camera might be?
 
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Yikes..... Are you sure you want me to get started talking about Photography?!?!?!

This could take forever, and I'm sure the moderator would scalp up with one of our own knives!!

But as quickly as I can:

Under $1000.00 it's gotta be the Kodak DCS 290. Excellent results for only $950.00 no option to change lens, but the built in zoom lens is one of the best for the money!!

Over that $1000.00 budget and you get into the Arghhhhhhh, ouchhhh, Wooo Hoooo category!!!

But I have the Kodak DCS 520 (Built on the Canon EOS body and it is a great piece of equipment) cost has gotten down around $8000.00 (can you spell SALTY!!). I can get into greater detail if you would like!! But I have to warn you I can get windy on the subject!!!

Be happy to help in the photography dept if anyone is interested! That's what I do for a living!!
 
Maxon, your observations are similar to mine, cept' the Kodak DC290 can be purchased from www.buycomp.com for under $700. Thanks for the advice. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE OFF TOPIC INQUIRY AND RESPONSE.
 
As promised, I wanted to update my experience. NOT TAKING SIDES - JUST BEING FAIR
MY transaction with Dr. Robert L. Barlett was a POSITIVE experience. He stayed in email contact, and fulfilled his end in a timely manner
John
colobbfan

[This message has been edited by colobbfan (edited 03-10-2001).]
 
He got me to. Lucky I did not send the knife. I have to be honest and say the first trade was fine. The second he bought and never paid. So in the end he made someone real happy. Why because I said the h-;; with it and sold the knife to someone else. They got the $250 knife for $150. He did blow that one.
Ed
 
I don't know what went on with everyone else or what e mail anyone got. I got one yesterday from him. He said he was sorry for the knife deal. He also said he was fixing his problem with getting the mail out. Figured I should let yall know. Just passing on the info. don't shoot the delivery boy.
Ed
 
I did a trade with him a while back. Everything was smooth. I am hesitant to do it again, however.

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Brian
The first knife was probably used to cut stuff.
 
Wanted to relay that I did a trade with Doc for 2 knives. He did exactly what he said he would. Both knives came in today.
 
Wake up knife people! how long do you think it will be before he screws somebody else?This guy has allready demonstrated his character .One good deal, two good deals, BAMMM! I have not, nor will I deal with anyone who treats another forum member as he has.He`s still around because people continue to trade with him. Next time just say no.

My .02 worth.
 
Hi,

First, Happy New Year to you all.

Our scouting group did 3 Glowring deals with Doc Bart and the first 2 went smooth and we got our payment for 2 and 3 Glowrings respectively.
Then on June 23 2001 we send him 6 Glowrings which he received according to his own email on July 6 2001 and since that time we've been waiting for the $60 that he owes us.
When I sent him an email July 30 2001 I received an email from Heather his "girlfriend" in which she said he had had a bad car accident and was on the critical list, but when things got better she would take care of it after asking Doc's office girls about the payment.

Well since then I have been an sending and receiving emails in which Doc gradually started to get better, Heather promissing to sent out the $60 and after 2 weeks admitting it was delayed because of a "setback" that Doc had had etc. This lingered from August right up to the last email on December 4 2001 on which Doc said:

"Piet - How are you doing. I totalls screwed up an forgot to send it after
the last time we talked. Will send it out tomorrow. FOR SURE. Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piet Henskens" <phenskens@hotmail.com>
To: <bart****@aweso****t.net>"

Part of what I wrote was:

"> Doc, please send it by REGISTERD AIRMAIL and deduct $10 for the costs from
> the $60 for the 6 Glowrings so only send us $50 but PLEASE register > as we originally also asked you to do.
>
> We're still trying to brake even for the $60 we are missing.
>
> Doc, Heather best scouting wishes from Holland and a very peacefull
> Christmas,
>"

The last emails were from Doc himself again and he promissed to send us the money.

I even offered him a $10 reduction so $50 to be payed when he would send it by registered Airmail as I didn't want the money to disappear in the Mail system, if he sent it by registered mail Doc would have proof off sending it and could start a claim if it didn't arrive with us.

Well, after his email from December 5, we waited and no letter with payment yet.

I tried sending a polite reminder email to his email address it got returned by the email provider awesomenet.net.

So guys, you're not the only ones who lost money we did also and it cost us dearly.

It could still be possible that the money arrives but I have no high hopes.
If it does I will be the first to post here and let you all know.
Our first 2 transactions went smooth so we hope that the last one will be solved after 5+ months also.

Best Scouting wishes from Holland,

Bagheera

"Glowring and Firesteel fundraising started again we expect Glowrings and Firesteels within 1.5 weeks"
 
Let's just make sure we keep our "Docs" straight.
This guy sounds like a looser.
Sorry to hear your scouts got screwed Piet.
Doc (Not the bad one)
 
I am a NEWBIE to BF. But everyone I trade with, I do via a CYBER-HANDSHAKE. I currently have FIVE trades going on. TWO of them involve me shipping my knife and then WAITING up to six weeks for the return "Trade". One trade involves me shipping two Spydercos to a Formite and HAVING HIM determine the value. I TRUST because they are FORMITES. If you have HONOR and you give your WORD, you MUST stand by it.

If I get burned, it will appear here. Whether it is a CRIME, a CIVIL INJUSTICE or a BROKEN PROMISE, it all goes to HONOR.

You can trade 1,000 knives smoothly. Buy 1,000 knives and pay in a TIMELY fashion, BUT engage in an agreement with a formite and then FAIL to HONOR YOUR WORD and you are POND SCUM.

Is the Doc a fine Doctor, Who cares. Is Doc a Man who took a solemn OATH to heal, and all that he can show as proof is his WORD? YOU BET!!! Now, here on Blade forum, he breaches the BOND OF TRUST. This goes to the HEART OF THE MAN. He shouldnot easily be trusted again.

Once you chuck your INTEGRITY into the toilet, it is flushed. In MOST cases, FOREVER. As it appears this MAN has NO INTENTION of honoring his WORD, I say it becomes CRIMINAL when he KNOWINGLY deprives another of their money or their Property. Black's Dictionary calls this THEFT. he knows he owes, but is REFUSING to now complete several "deals" INTENTIONALLY.

And HE says he is going to SUE WHO??????? I say this should be brought in the form of a written Complaint to his State Medical licensing Board. If he were a Police Officer, a quick call to his Police chief would trigger some HEAVY POOP. Well, the same ETHICAL STANDARDS exist for PHYSCIANS, and a quick call to the Ethics folks will find the Dr. in some HEAVY POOP.
I would be more than happy to help you write said letter. A man and his word, Honor, Ethical standards..............Ira
 
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