Beware of Daniel Wilson.

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jbravo said:
Certainly not my intention to create a problem with this posting - my understanding of this forum was to inform other BFers of (nearly always) good dealings in our knife world.

The bare bones of it: Wilson bought a knife I listed here (and elsewhere), and paid immediately by Paypal. He then decided he didn't want the knife, stating I hadn't described it fairly, and put in a dispute with PP. This is before he got it, and without discussing it with me. I told him to send it back, and I'd refund him the full price plus return shipping. When it came back, I refunded both sums to him, even though he never even opened my package containing the "misleadingly" described knife. So far, so good - I figured buyer's remorse and let it go at that.

I then found out he'd slurred me in his complaint to PP. When I called him on that, I received several obscenity filled threatening emails from him. Really nasty keyboard commando type stuff. So I repeat: beware of Daniel Wilson of Fairborn OH.
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That's plenty good for me.

I've been trading with jbravo for a while now. A while as in Almost A Decade.

I've never had an issue with him in terms of honesty, integrity or fairness.

I also find him willing to simply understate a problem instead of drag it out for the entire world to see.

If the above is not enough detail for some of the folks following this thread, so be it.

But if you've been trading long enough in this cyber-playground, eventually we all seem to have a deal which goes weird. This one involves PayPal, and since it's not theft of money, but instead someone acting like a genuine scumbag, libeling a seller for an item not even received yet, the chances are that this Daniel Wilson was using his real name.

JBravo has been nothing but a gentleman in my dealings with him and as such I see no reason to disbelieve any of the content here. In ten years or so, if there was something else I believe I would have seen it. I have not.

Therefore, unless Mr Wilson is capable of coming in and explaining himself and his odd actions, I can see no reason not to accept JBravo's account and consider myself and all else here fairly warned.
 
A username would be handy though. Sometimes you don't see a person's real name until the payment arrives, and having a username would save time and hassle.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Typical of you, to toss out an insulting comment. Strangely enough, your own comment could be seen as the same thing you're criticizing.
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EsavBenyamin, my comment is in regards of once one or two people posted we need more info and the merits of why more info is needed, its not really necessary that 20 more people post the same thing.

Not an insult.
 
Every one of us has the same right to post an opinion, even if it's just to support an opinion. Using a term like "forum police" to describe this is clearly disparaging.
 
Parker said:
This one involves PayPal, and since it's not theft of money, but instead someone acting like a genuine scumbag, libeling a seller...
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I did not “libel” anyone. All of my communication was through the PRIVATE channels of eBay and PayPal - not on a public forum, using his real name and locale. So who is guilty of libel? Not me, sir.

Since jbravo hasn’t given any of the fine details, allow me to do so. It was an eBay transaction, where jbravo (a GOLD member here) listed a production Strider as a “CUSTOM”. When I asked him about this, he informed me that all Striders are “semi-custom”, so he had every right to represent the knife only as “CUSTOM”. I was a newbie, and I was not knowledgeable enough to distinguish the Custom Striders from the Production Striders at that time. I went with the description of the eBay listing.

I called him out on his misrepresentation of the item, and he became defensive and (obviously) malicious. I returned his knife in the exact condition I received it the very next day, (I DID open the package and examine the knife in question, by the way) and PAYPAL refunded my purchase. How does that make me a criminal? I did not steal from him, I did not return a different knife, I did not do anything similar to jbravo’s actions here. We had our words on the (PRIVATE) channels of the PayPal resolution process, and apparently I said something to upset mister jbravo.

In the Hall of Shame Information and Rules, it states, "If your name is listed here, you can be removed by simply meeting the conditions that were laid out in the deal that you didn't live up to.” I don’t see that opportunity here. I would be more than happy to fulfill any outstanding obligations to mister jbravo, but I have returned his knife, and was refunded my money, because PayPal found me to be the victim of misrepresentation. What conditions of the transaction did I not live up to? What can I do to resolve this? I’d be more than happy to complete our transaction, but there doesn’t seem to be anything to complete. Please give me an option to make this right for you. I’m astounded your so offended from being called out on your deceitful listing.

The liar here is not me. If there were “threats” he should have gone to the authorities (having my address and real name and all) and pressed charges - but he didn’t, because there were no “threats”, obviously.

The transaction through eBay had nothing to do with bladeforums.com, that’s why jbravo didn’t even know my user name - and that’s why I never saw this outlandish thread until now. Since I am not a “contributing”, or “Gold" member here, I wouldn’t be surprised if my post gets edited - or even worse, I get blocked from viewing or replying to this thread. I sincerely hope none of those things will happen.

Congratulations, jbravo, you’ve coerced me to expose the details of our private dealings on your public forum. You’ve said things that aren’t true to harm my reputation on a public forum, which has hurt my personal life as far as potential employment opportunities, background checks, etc. (the very definition of “libel”) I am not a liar, or a cheat, nor have I ever misrepresented a sale as “Custom” for a Production item. I guess seniority grants some gratuitous special privileges for you. I am not old enough, to build a long time following here - nor am I financially able to support bladeforums.com the way you can. I guess that makes me the bad guy.

I gladly take this opportunity to publicly apologize for hurting mister jbravo’s feelings. I’m sorry if I said something to upset you, and let it be known that I did not take any advantage of you. I did not scam you, or steal from you, or even lie one time. I did not ever threaten you. I feel I do not deserve this treatment for merely hurting your sensitive feelings, but since you’re so fragile, I am apologizing to you. Publicly. I only wish I knew about this thread sooner.

I beg of you to remove your slanderous accusations of me, and in the very least remove my real name and locale. I’m amazed this forum would support such a ridiculous method of revenge. I would never stoop to such a low level as to libel you on a public forum, and I won’t now. I am only defending my integrity and honor, because I have been forced to. If anything, I sincerely feel that I was the one done wrong here, both from falling victim to misrepresentation of a production knife being sold as “Custom” and the libel that has taken place here.

If jbravo’s outlandish accusations sway the members here to not trust me, so be it - but let it be known that I returned his knife in the original condition, and I would never attempt to publicly humiliate anyone. I would actually caution members not to deal with someone who would cunningly stab you in the back, after the fact, with a “Custom” conglomeration of verbal / written attacks, while not informing you so you may defend your position. Very tactical, jbravo. You’re a real warrior. (I’m pretty sure it’s statements like these that set you off to begin with - nothing to get worked up over, they’re just my opinions)

In the future, please contact the authorities if someone threatens you and please have them indicted. Please do not make up stories to rally against them, behind their back. Please act like a man, and say what you need to say TO THEIR FACE. Please. I beg of you.

Please accept my sincere apology for hurting your sensitive feelings - if I did anything else, please inform me, so I may apologize for that as well, but please don’t just go making things up to gain false support.

I implore you to reconsider your accusations and revoke your harsh statements about me. This was years ago, and I can say I’ve learned a lot since then and plan to continue evolving and growing and maturing. If I said things you found inappropriate, I am sorry - we all make mistakes, but as long as we can learn and progress, there’s hope. Congratulations, you have hurt my reputation through your way of revenge. You win, but I didn’t know any of this was going on. I would have gladly (publicly) apologized years ago, if given the chance. I never suspected my personal information and eBay nightmares would show up here.

I feel jbravo’s original post is unjust and extremely inaccurate, but I am at his (and bladeforum’s) mercy.

I would also like to request a formal apology from mister jbravo, because no one deserves to be treated this way. I doubt he will comply, but I’m requesting it anyway. Please apologize to me, jbravo - you have not only deceived me in the initial transaction, but have disgraced my (real) name and reputation, publicly, and unjustly. No one deserves this kind of treatment, whether a contributing member here or not.

P.S. My user name is, “Gritter” and you would have known that, had this transaction had anything to do with this (or any) forum.
 
morrowj_98 said:
Two year old thread.....way to stay on top of this issue. :rolleyes:
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Please read my post. I had no idea there was even an issue until now. This is my first post regarding this issue. I should have the right to speak my side. Please, try to understand my position. Thank you.
 
The facts are unchanged: he bought the knife, filed a paypal dispute before even receiving it, returned it unopened in my packaging, and I fully refunded both the purchase price and shipping costs. If he left it at that, this thread wouldn't exist.

Instead, he chose to call me a "liar", accused me of "harassing" him, accused me of more viscious behavior, and sent me several PMs that were filled with obscenity ridden hate, including comments about my mother. All of this over a knife deal that he was made whole on.

I've been here a while, and I have the reputation I've earned here. Read his reply, and decide for yourselves whether this is someone you care to deal with. That is what GB&U is all about.
 
jbravo said:
I received several obscenity filled threatening emails from him.
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jbravo said:
sent me several PMs that were filled with obscenity ridden hate, including comments about my mother.
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So, it went from threats to comments about your mother? C’mon man, please accept my apology and drop the facade. After you were caught trying to pull a fast one on me, this is how you justify it? Oh, gosh - you’re a real class act. I admire your solid reputation here, and how you use it against me.

You owe ME an apology, but I give up. I’ll be the bigger man and stand by my apology to you for hurting your sensitive feelings with these fabricated statements - that keep changing - with no proof.

Good luck to you, and hope that you don’t find yourself battling a case for libel. All the evidence is here, and has been saved. Good day.
 
In Spark’s Hall of Shame Information and Rules, it states, "If your name is listed here, you can be removed by simply meeting the conditions that were laid out in the deal that you didn't live up to.”

I am pleading with all parties involved to remedy this. Please advise me any way possible to “simply meet the conditions that were laid out that I didn’t live up to” to have this removed.

If the Information and Rules hold water - then I should be given the opportunity to make things right and have my (real) name removed. I am begging for the chance - and I have publicly apologized and will do whatever else to appease this guy to stop slandering my name.

Do I have ANY way to meet the conditions that brought me here, for justice? Or is that just for “Contributing / Gold Members”? I’d like to know.
 
The original posting was out of line IMO. No facts, just accusations.
jbravo *should have* begun by posting BFC name only along with the facts of the incident.

BTW, I Googled the name and town posted in the OP. Guess what the 6th hit on Google is?
You guessed it, and the text shows up in the Google description...

Edited: I'm taking the actual name and text out of my post, now that I think about it. It too would show up in a Google search.
 
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Gritter said:
Good luck to you, and hope that you don’t find yourself battling a case for libel. All the evidence is here, and has been saved. Good day.
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There are different kinds of threats besides physical, in this case this would be a legal threat of lawsuit. It's not a direct "I will bring suite against you", it's 'maybe I will, maybe I won't. Beware.' Rather then make a threat, it may be more productive to request a specific action such as 'please remove my name from this thread and only supply my ebay/bladeforum username.' Thus removing much, if not all, grounds for any potential libel suite.
 
There is absolutely no one better to deal with than Jbravo. You can find equals but none better IMO. Personally I have been amazed over many years at the level of generosity, honesty, and integrity he has shown many people.
 
lifter4Him said:
There is absolutely no one better to deal with than Jbravo. You can find equals but none better IMO. Personally I have been amazed over many years at the level of generosity, honesty, and integrity he has shown many people.
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What he said.
 
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