Yes, I realize I have no clout here, and this old man drew me into his own backyard to slander me with all his buddies to back him up, from being called out on misrepresenting an item on EBAY that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS FORUM, or any other members, yet didn’t have the guts to say ANYTHING to me directly. You all should be proud to back him up. I’ve never dealt with such a coward before. All while the moderators here approve, and condone this behavior from a grown man, who should know better. I guess I must deserve it, as my apologies weren’t accepted. Have fun ya’ll, I’m out.
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I have looked up the paypal transaction and here is a copy and paste of the item in question:
eBay item #120438495006 "Custom Handmade Strider SnG Gunner Grips MINT NR!”
I was a newbie, and I trusted him, because I couldn’t tell the difference between production and custom at that time in my life.
jbravo, have anything to say?
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With all due respect, I'm not sure how filing a complaint before trying to settle directly with you, which I agree was wrong, makes him a cheat or a liar. The "scumbag" part is up for interpretation.
Misrepresenting something for sale seems much more shady than overreacting to a given situation. I'm not saying you are a liar or a cheat. I'm just explaining how it looks from the outside and I'd still like to know if you described the knife as a "custom" when it wasn't.
Either way, my vote is to remove Gritter's real name. Especially if the item was misrepresented. I really don't think this should've ever been posted if it was an Ebay deal. It sounds like the item was safely returned/refunded in any case. So at worst Gritter talked about someone's mom. Just my .02
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yup i think his name should be removed. listing something as "custom" when it is in fact not fully custom is very miss leading even for veteran knife buyers, i think it is flat out wrong.
I’m not trying to justify my actions, because of the “Custom Handmade Strider...” I probably acted like a donkey’s butt.
I have nothing to hide. This is me. That’s my name. Stripped of all ambiguity, from my own doings I realize, but still...
I know never to ever piss anyone off ever again on bladeforums. The eternal archives of the internet - there are even sites devoted to internet archiving - they can bring back ancient sites from their database, long since extinct. I’m just saying, this is forever.
I have always thought, “sticks and stones...” they’re just words. They only have the power that you give to them. Oh, but they can cut, like freshly stropped S30v on my new Harbor Freight 1 x 30 belt sander (which has completely changed my life, by the way). So yeah... I live and I learn, and when I lash out, I get slashed back - with gusto.
I’m going to bed, and when I wake up, I’m going to pretend that my name is something else. Good night.
I have nothing to hide. This is me. That’s my name. Stripped of all ambiguity, from my own doings I realize, but still...
I know never to ever piss anyone off ever again on bladeforums. The eternal archives of the internet - there are even sites devoted to internet archiving - they can bring back ancient sites from their database, long since extinct. I’m just saying, this is forever.
I have always thought, “sticks and stones...” they’re just words. They only have the power that you give to them. Oh, but they can cut, like freshly stropped S30v on my new Harbor Freight 1 x 30 belt sander (which has completely changed my life, by the way). So yeah... I live and I learn, and when I lash out, I get slashed back - with gusto.
I’m going to bed, and when I wake up, I’m going to pretend that my name is something else. Good night.
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it seems to me still a lot of he said he said, but that the question is not whether or not they had a bad deal that they both ended up square on, but whether or not one, the other or both acted like assholes. So just post the communications (two years later they might not be around, of course some here i'm sure will say that's what the second guy was hoping by waiting so long. see, I beat you guys to it! 
) and that should make the whole thing clear.
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) and that should make the whole thing clear.Red
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In my opinion posting a persons real name and where they live should only be reserved for actual scammers who cheat people out of their money on purpose or some other act
of wrong doing when they know its not right. In this case I can see where Gritter is coming from and I believe he did have a legitimate argument with the description of the item.
Only custom Stirders I know are made by Mick or Dwayne by hand. But thats beside the point. The problem has really nothing to do with the return in itself but what the emails
to eachother contained. And if thats the reason for posting his name and labeling a cheat then I think it should be removed.
of wrong doing when they know its not right. In this case I can see where Gritter is coming from and I believe he did have a legitimate argument with the description of the item.
Only custom Stirders I know are made by Mick or Dwayne by hand. But thats beside the point. The problem has really nothing to do with the return in itself but what the emails
to eachother contained. And if thats the reason for posting his name and labeling a cheat then I think it should be removed.
I'm new to the forums, and have not traded or bought anything 'yet'. But looking at facts alone, i agree with Gritter. Since this was something that had no involvement, and was settled with everyone getting their money and knife back, i think it's wrong to have labeled him a cheat/liar or bad person to deal with as well as posting his real name, without giving any facts.
Since you are older, a paid membership, and been with the community for such a long time, it would have been better to tell us the story of what actually happened, rather than just stating that so n so is a bad person. I feel it makes you look worse, since this community has lots of people that haven't dealed with you as opposed to those that have,
And you never did clarify the argument of "custom" heading in your sale.
If gritter did say offensive things then that was juvenile, but everything was returned and refunded. Just my thoughts as a new member.
Since you are older, a paid membership, and been with the community for such a long time, it would have been better to tell us the story of what actually happened, rather than just stating that so n so is a bad person. I feel it makes you look worse, since this community has lots of people that haven't dealed with you as opposed to those that have,
And you never did clarify the argument of "custom" heading in your sale.
If gritter did say offensive things then that was juvenile, but everything was returned and refunded. Just my thoughts as a new member.
I gotta say if the description was not accurate then the man was right to ask for his money back. Bad situation but I don't see why it has to be either/or. Both people can have a disagreement and still be good forum members.
I hope everyone can take a deep breath and move on. The man has more than made a case to have his name removed as requested.
I hope everyone can take a deep breath and move on. The man has more than made a case to have his name removed as requested.
Used to be, and as far as I know still is, wrong to publicly accuse someone of something you can't prove.
If I have followed this correctly,
Gritter was called out by his real name as a "cheat, a liar, and a scumbag" because he backed out on a deal in an less than honorable fashion by making slurring remarks about Jbravo in a complaint to PayPal, and when called on it sent "several obscenity filled threatening emails" to Jbravo.
In his defense (make what you will of said defense coming nearly 2 years later) Gritter denies sending any such emails, and claims (by implication) that in fact it is Jbravo who was the liar and the cheat by misrepresenting the knife he was selling. Gritter's evidence of this is posting what appears to be a copy of the listing of the knife as a "Custom Handmade Strider SnG Gunner Grips MINT NR! when he claims it in fact was a production piece from the same maker.
I am of the opinion that Jbravo should now either back up, or back off his claim of receiving threatening emails from Gritter, and answer the charge of trying to fool Gritter into buying a production knife as a custom.
Jbravo has been on BF forever and has character references from some heavyweights to be sure, but he really has not handled this very well based on what I have read so far. Unless he can back up his claims against Gritter, and answer the counterclaims, Gritter's real name and locale should definitely be removed from this post.
If I have followed this correctly,
Gritter was called out by his real name as a "cheat, a liar, and a scumbag" because he backed out on a deal in an less than honorable fashion by making slurring remarks about Jbravo in a complaint to PayPal, and when called on it sent "several obscenity filled threatening emails" to Jbravo.
In his defense (make what you will of said defense coming nearly 2 years later) Gritter denies sending any such emails, and claims (by implication) that in fact it is Jbravo who was the liar and the cheat by misrepresenting the knife he was selling. Gritter's evidence of this is posting what appears to be a copy of the listing of the knife as a "Custom Handmade Strider SnG Gunner Grips MINT NR! when he claims it in fact was a production piece from the same maker.
I am of the opinion that Jbravo should now either back up, or back off his claim of receiving threatening emails from Gritter, and answer the charge of trying to fool Gritter into buying a production knife as a custom.
Jbravo has been on BF forever and has character references from some heavyweights to be sure, but he really has not handled this very well based on what I have read so far. Unless he can back up his claims against Gritter, and answer the counterclaims, Gritter's real name and locale should definitely be removed from this post.
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So calling a guy out by his full name on one of the highest traffic knife forums on the internet is ok in this situation? Because he is a "good guy" it's fine to ignore the facts of the matter?
Whether or not it's ruined gritter's life, as he says, is besides the point. The fact remains that jbravo listed the knife on ebay as handmade and custom and gritter, being a noob, took that for truth instead of seeing it as the common method to broaden visibility on ebay that it surely was. If I was a knife noob and fell for that, I'd be angry too.
I am sure that jbravo did not mean to misrepresent the knife and enough people here think highly enough of him that I am also sure he is a respectful and ethical person. However, calling out someone by their full name, in this circumstance, is pure and unadulterated horse crap and, in my opinion, anyone who ignores it on the grounds of friendship or past deals also ignores what this very forum is supposed to be about.
sounds like jbravo through some words in his listing to get more ebay hits and gritter being a n00b didn't get it. he was upset (i can understand that) and then acted like a Ahole when wanting his money back. The money was returned, knife was returned and nobody was ripped off.
I think gritters real name should be removed and replaced with his screen name. That way his real name doesn't show up in searches and people can read this thread and decide if they want to do deals with him.
I think gritters real name should be removed and replaced with his screen name. That way his real name doesn't show up in searches and people can read this thread and decide if they want to do deals with him.
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what he said.
so every time someone calls you a name and your feelings get hurt we get to start a thread and release that persons personal information? i dont care how good your rep is, thats not right.
no money or property was lost, the OP has not proved anything, this thread should not have even been started.
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