Beware of James Lott aka darkman

Code 3 ,

Thank you so much for your reply . I still however feel this has gotten out of hand . Folks saying they will supply money to torment another to give a taste of their own medicine . Please get real and and an entire forum was closed for a little ass being shown .:rolleyes:
 
Would you please clarify your last statement, Jerry.

Thank you so much for your reply . I still however feel this has gotten out of hand . Folks saying they will supply money to torment another to give a taste of their own medicine . Please get real and and an entire forum was closed for a little ass being shown .
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Who has supplied money to whom, just for torment? Taste of their own medicine?

An entire forum was closed for a little ass being shown?

What forum?

I'd appreciate some clarification.
 
FWIW jerry, imho a lot of stuff may be rather inconsequential/controversial thats posted here, w/2 sides, etc, BUT when someone has anothers property, and admits it, then refuses to return it, i can reach one conclusion, and one only.....

darkman is in the wrong 110%, and a thief to boot if he does not return the mans property. period. end.

greg
 
Jerry,
I think perhaps you've let your frustration with this Forum in general cloud your thinking a bit. Someone 'steals someones stuff' and ADMITS to it then someone suggests filing a complaint/lawsuit to stop this action and you label that as 'torment'. So, if someone steals my property, say they were installing a new roof but took my swamp cooler on the way out, and I file a civil suit against them then that is 'torment', eh?? I don't get that line of thinking at all. I think that is the LEAST that should happen to someone. Especially in this situation. So many people feel the net is the perfect place for a mediocre scam thereby believing their scam to be bulletproof. We all need to band together as much as possible to stop this kind of BS. I know some merchants who file charges on EVERY bad check written or CC fraud case even if they know they will fail in an attempt to curb this behavior and provide some protection for themselves and their community or others in retail sales. Are you saying Yiterp's situation is any different? If you are, then I heartily disagree.

Let me clarify a bit of my statement in case you have not followed up on much lately. I knew from previous posts that Yiterp was recently unemployed for a length of time and had recently gotten a job but was still in financial difficulties and re-starting some collecting and trading. He seemed to have quite a rough time of it and had posted information here and there on BFC. So, here comes this prick with a cavalier attitude who ADMITS to stealing his stuff or holding it hostage or extorting an apology or whatever and I thought perhaps his decision to do so may have been augmented by the fact Yiterp was in a financial bind and therefore in a lesser position to defend himself against aggression. So, after reading the BS in Mr. Lott's post which initially pissed me off as I felt he was 'preying' on an individual on BFC I posted a bit of an inflammatory reply toward Mr. Lott to let him know that there have been others here who have been screwed here and have gotten vindication through the USPS and the US Courts system (seemed pretty common sensish to me). So, now with the recent posts we find that Mr. Lott has been banned from OTHER FORUMS BESIDES BFC (POSSIBLY FROM BFC PREVIOUSLY per Cougar!) for the same type stuff and now Mr. Lott is doing a 180 saying he is returning the stuff. NOWHERE has he provided any proof that he did what he said he did. He NEVER EVEN ADDRESSES people's request for such info (like giving the same lame assed excuse of "I don't have a this or that." which Spark artfully nullified with his indication that scanners were available at Kinko's!!!). This ON TOP OF THE FACT that Yiterp is a respected member around here. 'Old Boys Club' sorta? SURE! Show me an example of a situation where people who are new and inexperienced are treated in equal measure as compared to the tried and true... Everyone needs to earn their spurs and that is just life. But, following your logic, someone who has done that has 'less' right to respond in this situation? I don't get that at all and I'd be really surprised if you went back and re-read every post from these two threads then re-read your replys if you did either.

So, now, we have your post saying this is all BS and we are just tormenting the guy or threatening to do so. Is he a friend of yours? If so, by all means say so and be up front. But, if otherwise, I think that whizzing sound above your head is the point (OR POINTS!) you are missing. For Pete's sake, what does it take to get you a bit riled? I don't fault you for 'giving' your stuff to all the 'nice' criminals out there and I DO agree that what comes around goes around but also think that if you can do something and you FAIL that duty then you are doing yourself and your community members a disservice. That's your right but it is also a right to pursue justice through the USPS Inspector General's Office or the US Courts System. That's why those things exist. That's why this Forum exists. Sure a lot of stuff might be questionable but when someone ADMITS (more than once note here now!) to doing crap like that in an effort to threaten a member here then it is time for action plain and simple.

Or at least that is my take on it... YMMV, whatever, whatever, whatever, Yada, Yada, Yada!

Shawn
 
I just noticed in the Service and Support forum that Jerry has decided he no longer wants to be part of the BladeForums community. I sure hope it is not because of the criticism he has received here.

As far as darkman/James Lott is concerned, where the heck has he gone? Seems that he no longer wants to communicate with us. Steve, keep us informed as to whether or not you get your knives.

Also, if darkman has been banned, it was just recently. He was posting as late as mid May and he is still listed as having a knifemaker membership.
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
I just noticed in the Service and Support forum that Jerry has decided he no longer wants to be part of the BladeForums community.
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:rolleyes: Bye Jerry :yawn:
 
was told by james lott knives were being shipped back to me yesterday along with items i gave in trade for the work.he says LUDT is completed and benchmade 42 is not completed but he doesn't want to complete work after the post i made.will keep you posted on when these
get to me.
 
I will respond as this : James Lott is not a friend or an aquantance of mine , I made it very clear as to my one and only dealing with him . I also have missed no point, yes James was wrong and yes Yiterp could have also handled it better himself ( we have all had hard times so please excuse me if I don't tear up here ) . I haven't run to hide and the little yawn face I think is rather cute .

I will add this, the few of you that have sent e-mail to me thinking you were hidden behind the vaile of the internet , You may want to stop as one fellow found out it only takes a little effort to find out who you really are ( Right Bart!! )all e-mail has a return path right to you , it may be covered , back tracked or sent through several severs but it still leads home ( this is not in any way a threat just be a man and sign it with your name). I will not cry here or ask forgiveness for my opinion, as all have stated theirs . I just do not follow the lets' all gang up and see what happens mentality . And I think the little buzzing above my head is that I actually have my own thought processes instead of falling inline like cows to a water hole . No matter how many times we beat this dead horse it ain't gonna get up so , I will respect your way of thinking and ask you to just except mine as just that , mine . People have their own way of looking at every issue so I have mine and you folks have yours , I truly wish to just end this as far as I'm concerned and I see james has sent the stuff off so we shall see if it arrives . Good luck to all .
As to why I was not removed : the software will not allow it as of now but will in the upgrade version ( per Spark ) .The only way was to ban me and I just don't see I've done anything to be banned .

Code3, Thanks for your follow up e-mail and I will be getting back to you . I did not mean any disrespect to your position or others .


Regards ,
Jerry Shipman :yawn:
 
Yiterp;

I sure hope James keeps his word. Please keep me informed.

Jerry;

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, and I am in no way, shape, or form trying to make you 'fall in line' with any other thought process. I commend you for taking a stand, and actually letting us know how you were thinking. Thank you.

However, as I have stated earlier, this forum was set up specifically for this purpose. As a moderator, and as a member here, I think that by sending the emails, and getting no response, that yiterp exausted all of his options, and posted here as a last resort. That is what this forum is here for. You disagree with what he did, and I ask you; what do you propose he do different next time? If he has exhausted other avenues, should he just say "oh well, my loss", suck it up, and move on? I say no, he shouldn't. I don't know if they had spoke on the phone, or if that was even possible.

All of the members here at BFC deserve to know who is good, who is bad, and who is downright ugly, and that is exactly what this forum is for, and it will continue to be here for all members to use. This forum does it's job quite well, and people involved in the industry pay close attention here, and it helps keep people honest.

As I stated before, Jerry, you may not like the GB&U forum, and that is fine. There are plenty of other places you can go here at BFC, and avoid this particular place.

Again, Jerry, I respect your opinion, but I'm afraid that it's not going to change the way this forum is used.
 
Code 3,

Thanks for the response , I certainly do not think he should let someone take his property . I will say he could have called ( I sure hope he got a # when he sent off exspensive knives ) , sent a certified letter , the list is long . If all things were done and all avenue exhausted then post . If a person ever holds someones property or is not responding to them a simple internet search and cross reference is all it takes to get all the info. they need to make it clear they are serious about getting the property back . I guess I've skip traced for so long it just seems to simple to me and is a more of a task for others or they just don't have the info. to know how .

I do hope he gets his property back soon but for far less than the cost of the knife he paid for , he could have gotten it back alot quicker . I will quickly refer to a post made by Danbo about Poiter( hope it is spelled right ) , setting a deal and then raising the price , getting the raised price and then sending the customer an invoice for more money is as bad as what James did . Different but still ****** . As I said in that post I would have him screaming for mercy before I let up . I would have written every association he belonged to and posted on every forum from here to hells own highway . But, he and I would have had a very clear understanding thru mail and phone conversations what would happen . All people make mistakes , god knows I make and have made some huge ones , as I also noted earlier in a post . I've been on both sides of the fence but I guess I handle stuff in a different manner . Someone ask earlier what does it take to get me riled up " NOT VERY MUCH" , I have a short fuse but I just handle most things quietly and and with extreme prejudous , of course there are the few that I let the world know about .

As far as this forum : I have used it and fully understand its' need . I think it is a good thing when used with some forethought and consideration . I don't condem anyone for their action just again have a different approach . From my e-mail I see that I'm not the only one who feels this way but am just one of the few who will hang their butt out for the on slaught of chewing . After much reveiw I see that I acted harshly and am sorry for any insult folks took from my post but again that's just Me .

As ever ,
Jerry Shipman
 
I completely agree with Jerry Shipman on this, as far as the piling on goes...It just a sad fact that people have a tendency to pile on any convenient target, and yes, it does reflect poorly on the people doing it.

It's gotten so bad, that in some of these threads, the entire thread is full of people piling on and the person that was directly affected is not even posting anymore...

A good example is the recent, and still active, buck112 thread...good god, the guy says he screweed up and is trying to make it right, and still people are exhorting the guy to make it right and calling him names and piling on...

Anytime I feel an urge to pile on, I take a close look at my motives, and almost every time end up siding with whoever is getting piled on..it's silly here on the internet, but I'm consistent because I do it in my personal life as well.

The point being, if you feel a need to make your opinion known, try to wait for both parties to tell their side, and then once you have made your opinion known, try to STFU and let the two people work it out..it's not that hard to do. Especially try waiting for both sides to tell their story..

I myself posted in suport of yiterp, as soon as someone tried to extort an apology and retraction, and made my opinion known...why just keep on posting my opinion over & over?
Same thing in the buck112 thread...why just keep on keeping on?

I'm just really getting tried of the piling on that seems to be becoming more & more common, in this forum and a few others as well. Sometimes the weight of public opinion is a good thing, but this mob mentality is just disgusting...
 
Jerry, it is great to see that it looks like you have changed your mind about leaving BF. I like reading what you have to add to discussions and would have missed your input.

Mike, I will try to make sure that I never pile on you in a thread. OK?


*Edited because for some reason I keep adding extra words to my posts today.:rolleyes:
 
Jerry, I respect your opinion and I agree with you and others that on occassion this forum has been used long before it should have been.
GB&U should be the last resort when a deal goes bad or turns ugly. This should not be a forum to whine about a knife that was 3.98999 inches and not 4.0 inches, or the handle material was greeenish-blue Micarta and not bluish-green micarta.
One should post ALL good experiences and only post the bad and ugly ones when E-mails go unanswered, property does not arrive, the check is in the mail [but being handled by pony express] and you have tried everything with Party "B" and party "B" is giving you the run-around or talking smack. OR Party "B" is flat out lying and is a thief.

Mike, I do not see the problem of "piling on" [whatever that is defined as]. When yiterp got burnt and then his knives held as hostage for an apology, Darkman deserved to get pummeled by the keyboard from EVERY member of BFC.

I do agree that threats of personal harm or violence be they here or by E-mail are disgusting, outrageous, criminal, and worthy of banishment.

As far as your opinion that folks "piled on" to the thread about Buck 112, I must disagree. Since opinions are like A$$holes and everbody has one, allow me to offer my opinion:

It is not too often a member of BFC admits to committing a criminal offense [in this case offense(s)]. Generally, a BFC Thief engages in multiple trade/sales and once he gets the knives, he disappears. Kasper was E-mailed to death and offered so many bogus reasons for not carrying through with his end of the deal(s) that it ended up here. Because he has a conscious, a heart and a brain he has begun to take the appropriate steps to right his wrong. And thats the kicker. Kasper was terribly wrong and while many are applauding his somewhat late act of righteouness, only a few [or maybe just me] was looking for punishment. I saw no one pile on [please explain that term, would ya:confused: ] and lambaste Kasper for anything he is innocent of.

AND once he has made good on these deals, he should remain here and learn about knives and about the kind of people who collect knives.

"We are only as good as our word".........If 16,000 people believe that and live by this simple guidline, GB&U will become a quiet and uneventful place.........................Peace;)
 
Folks;

Thanks for the input here, it is appreciated.

Jerry, I'm under the impression that you have decided to stay at BFC. I'm looking forward to your continued contributions here.

As for Mr. Lott, aka darkman, the clock is ticking. He has until Friday to get those knives to yiterp, or he is history.

Lets try to keep this thread on topic, and limit our discussion of what is or what is not the correct use of TGB&U. I think we have expounded on the subject enough for now.

Thanks.
 
hi people, i'm glad that i read this because i was also looking to have some work done by "HIM" becaus he is so close (under 10 miles). NOT ANY MORE!!! i don' care if i drop it off and pick it back up.:barf:
 
wanted everyone to know i did get the knives back today,but not quite how i expected
1.ludt was returned with no tritium insert and note saying inserts were defective--trade for this work wasn't returned
2.benchmade 42 was returned with no work of anykind done on it besides a attempt at filework on blade.this was suppose to be vine filework if this was the case i could have finished it no problem but what was done was to trash the blade,it will have to be replaced-trade
for work(polished blade,pins,screws,beadblasted handles,vine file work
on blade)was returned.he had this knife for 4 months-now i understand why this knife was never brought up.
i guess we all live and learn--but hell i didn't want to learn this much
 
The Trit dot was defective? I thought he said the knives were completed. So the guy had one and only one tritium dot to put on the LUDT and it was defective and he had no more in stock.

AH, AH, AH BULLSH*T.......oops I sneezed

Darkman, a name to remember never to deal with. Boy Steve you sure have had crummy luck of late.............Ira
 
Well hell, it just gets worse & worse I guess...this POS really needs to get what's coming to him, one way or another.

Sorry to hear about this yiterp, hopefully you have some plans for dealing with this.
 
Yiterp;

Am I correct in assuming that you didn't get all of your stuff back?

I would like you to post a picture of the trashed knife, so we can see exactly what he did to it.

Let me know, so we can deal with it as appropriate.

James Lott;

If you owe yiterp because you messed up his blade, and didn't return all of the stuff you owe, I strongly suggest you take care of this before tomorrow (Friday), and let me know directly, or I will take the appropriate action Friday night.

The ball is in your court once again. Do the right thing, contact yiterp,contact me with your resolution, or you will be history.
 
Steve,
If you don't have a camera, send it to me and I will do the pics. Unless someone is closer.
Ed
 
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