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BM vs Spydy vs ZT vs CS
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Don't mind me, I'm on my way to W&C...
I hear a lot about the axis lock's omega springs breaking, but I've never heard of Spyderco's ball bearing lock failing. I'd say that beats the axis.
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thank you!
ok now where gettin somewhere
+1 spydy
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ok now where gettin somewhere
+1 spydy
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ok cool but y.. why is it good?
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I'm going to try to explain this. Even if someone tells you which one they think is best it's only a opinion. One person may like small light knives while others may like heavier stronger knives and unless you share the same preferences they do, their opinions won't do you any good. I like the Sage 2 because it's useful design and flawless f&f. That doesn't mean you will see it the same way.
What is your goal? To pick a knife? If you tell us what you intend to do with the knife there is more of a chance that we could provide you with information that is useful.
What is your goal? To pick a knife? If you tell us what you intend to do with the knife there is more of a chance that we could provide you with information that is useful.
Why is the BBL any more susceptible to this than the axis?
I guess we'll give it some more time. I don't know which Spyderco introduced the BBL, but the Dodo has been around since 2003. I guess they last at least that long.
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POST 103 http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670718&page=6
SoCalJok3r - You are correct that a hole in a blade will weaken the blade, since blades are no different than any other structure known to man. And, bigger holes make weaker structures. I guess some people seem to think a spider symbol on a blade creates some magical affect
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It depends on where the jam occures. On the Dodo, the piston had some issues with fine debrie as well as the blade tang/ball interface. A few intances of being locked up tight with a loose blade - could not open or close the knife fully.
On my carry P'Kal, a chunk of debrie somehow got into the cage with the bearing. Thin mica it appeared to be. The result was intermitent lock issues till I figured out the situation.
The Axis, as an example, is easier to clear when such incidents occur.
Most knife lock designs suffer from debrie issues, some worse than others.
SoCalJok3r, I understand where you are coming from: I just had a brand new Spyderco Manix 2 CTS-XHP break on me, right at the hole while I was cutting some ginger bread.
I am disappointed in Spyderco for deliberately LEAVING A HOLE IN MY KNIFE. This is a dangerous practice and I am sure that if they would stop putting holes in their knives they would be more structurally sound.
My lawnmower blade doesn't have a hole in it, my chainsaw blade doesn't have a hole in it and they are both still intact. The only other knife I own that has a hole in the blade is an electric carving knife, but because the two blades vibrate so fast its like the hole isn't there - perhaps Spyderco should look at some sort of vibrating blade system to get around this structural problem in their knives.
I heard a rumour that Spyderco are going to sell hole replacement parts for their popular knives to restore them to their rightful strength. I think this, coupled with vibrating blade system I suggested is a step in the right direction.
I am disappointed in Spyderco for deliberately LEAVING A HOLE IN MY KNIFE. This is a dangerous practice and I am sure that if they would stop putting holes in their knives they would be more structurally sound.
My lawnmower blade doesn't have a hole in it, my chainsaw blade doesn't have a hole in it and they are both still intact. The only other knife I own that has a hole in the blade is an electric carving knife, but because the two blades vibrate so fast its like the hole isn't there - perhaps Spyderco should look at some sort of vibrating blade system to get around this structural problem in their knives.
I heard a rumour that Spyderco are going to sell hole replacement parts for their popular knives to restore them to their rightful strength. I think this, coupled with vibrating blade system I suggested is a step in the right direction.
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POST 103 http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670718&page=6
SoCalJok3r - You are correct that a hole in a blade will weaken the blade, since blades are no different than any other structure known to man. And, bigger holes make weaker structures. I guess some people seem to think a spider symbol on a blade creates some magical affect
Dig the sarcasm, thanks for the link! Sad day for that spyderco. Also saw on post #20 that you used it to PRY causing it's imminent snap. I mean a knife is for cutting right? Just as you stated "Snapping blades is simple to do ", all you have to do is pry/lever.
Use the right tool for the right job. :thumbup:
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Thx, I didn't know this. I wonder why it took so long for an expert to come forward and reveal this information, but at last there it is.
I feel that they all have their niche. BM and Spyderco are neck and neck; depends most on which is your style. Generally I feel Spyderco puts out far better small knives (3in and below) while BM puts out far better large ones (4in and above). In between they are nearly the same.
As examples, I'd quote the Dragonfly, Kiwi/Kopa, Cricket, Caly from Spyderco as well as the Skirmish and 610 from Benchmade.
Everyone has their own preferences. Blade steel-Spyderco offers more choices, as does Kershaw.
ZT has it for hard-use if you don't mind the weight; CS has it for less expensive hard use. (I humbly disagree that they're overpriced; for the price, they seem pretty darn good. My friend carries his Pocket Bushman every day, and loves everything except the lock-and it cost all of 20 bucks.)
Benchmade brings different designs, top-notch materials and superior fit and finish to all of them; plus the Axis lock can't be beat for many people (The above posts show why I said "many" and not "all"; again it's my opinion that the Axis as used on the Rift is superior to the ball lock and caged ball lock on Phoenix and P'kal in all but aesthetics.)
Spyderco is my personal choice, because I prefer the hole opener as well as the feel. Generally it seems to be the case that Spyderco's knives tend to have more thin flat grinds(e.g most all their 3-3.5in folders save the GB and the Delica), which most people find better for slicing. That's been my experience too.
As examples, I'd quote the Dragonfly, Kiwi/Kopa, Cricket, Caly from Spyderco as well as the Skirmish and 610 from Benchmade.
Everyone has their own preferences. Blade steel-Spyderco offers more choices, as does Kershaw.
ZT has it for hard-use if you don't mind the weight; CS has it for less expensive hard use. (I humbly disagree that they're overpriced; for the price, they seem pretty darn good. My friend carries his Pocket Bushman every day, and loves everything except the lock-and it cost all of 20 bucks.)
Benchmade brings different designs, top-notch materials and superior fit and finish to all of them; plus the Axis lock can't be beat for many people (The above posts show why I said "many" and not "all"; again it's my opinion that the Axis as used on the Rift is superior to the ball lock and caged ball lock on Phoenix and P'kal in all but aesthetics.)
Spyderco is my personal choice, because I prefer the hole opener as well as the feel. Generally it seems to be the case that Spyderco's knives tend to have more thin flat grinds(e.g most all their 3-3.5in folders save the GB and the Delica), which most people find better for slicing. That's been my experience too.
True that the knife was used for the wrong purposes, but it still does say that the blade is weaker at the hole.
Is it just me, or does it seem like BM intentionally discontinues their great models? I seriously can't believe that the Skirmish, 610, Ares, and AFCK, and 42 didn't sell well enough.
I find that hard to believe. Do you have pictures? Was the ginger bread baked 5,000 years ago, and therefore petrified?
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Oh this is going to be fun. Ok, the Rift is a great knife but for $6 more you can get a Spyderco Paramilitary with a better CPM s30v steel and a compression lock which is just as strong as an Axis lock and doesn't have the omega springs which have had instances of failure. Never heard of a comp lock failure.
About the hole affecting the strength.
Sure, prying will eventually break a knife, but very rarely at the Spyderhole location
The hole is at the part of the blade where the blade is both thickest and widest.
Under load, there is stress in the steel (being in general, force divided by surface, there are also shear stresses where the torque from prying plays a role).
Even with a Spyderhole the stress in that part of the blade will be relatively low; as there is enough cross section. Breakage will almost always (as in, 99.99% of cases) occur closer to the tip.
Hence you shouldn't worry about a Spyderhole reducing strength in a way that matters.
Sure, prying will eventually break a knife, but very rarely at the Spyderhole location
The hole is at the part of the blade where the blade is both thickest and widest.
Under load, there is stress in the steel (being in general, force divided by surface, there are also shear stresses where the torque from prying plays a role).
Even with a Spyderhole the stress in that part of the blade will be relatively low; as there is enough cross section. Breakage will almost always (as in, 99.99% of cases) occur closer to the tip.
Hence you shouldn't worry about a Spyderhole reducing strength in a way that matters.
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