Boink, a real jerk, can not be trusted.

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Oh BS. I'm standing up for him, just like you had all your friends stand up for you. The difference is that instead of banning you from the forums and continuing to call you a nutjob, crackpot, liar or anything else, or threatening to have you taken care of, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. You know, innocent until proven guilty. There's a big difference in how things are handled here.

You chose to drag things here after you got your money back. You posted, and I quote "Boink, a real jerk, cannot be trusted" - this about a guy that refunded you, sent you an extra knife, and offered to donate this expensive knife in question for the other site. Yeah, he's a *real* scumbag. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen the knife in question. I make no claims on its condition. I feel that it should have gone straight to JW Smith for an evaluation. I'm also certain that had you done so, Savas would have sent your money back straightaway. As it is - he backed down and sent the money back (with no knife), after you trashed him publicly. Again, what a true bastard. :rolleyes:

I think you blew this completely out of porportion. After he went out of his way and bent over backwards to make things right, you then turned around and tried to kick him in the nuts again. That speaks volumes. But that's just my humble opinion.
 
Originally posted by Spark


Whoopee, it went back for lock work - the custom maker certified it as good to go, so it's effectively better than new if it left with the problem to begin with, right? I guess I just don't understand.
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That's still a headache that should have been handled on Boink's end before the sale, and at least refenced in the sale post.
 
You keep forgetting a couple things there Kevin, I never made it public until I was told in private email I wont get my money back and accused of screwing up his knife.I tried to handle this off the forums until Boink left me no choice.

You also keep saying I got my money back and a FREE knife, I never got all my money back.Iam selling the so called FREE Knife just to break even.I never would have kept his FREE knife if I got back all my cash in the first place.
 
I dunno... I probably wouldn't have mentioned it either, especially if it'd had other customization work done on it at the time, especially if it was related to the "problem" (if it is one).

If the maker says it's good, and I think it's good, then I'm not going to create a problem where there is none. It's like saying you had the brakes start to squeak on your car, so you replace them with super duper ABS disc racing brakes. You don't mention that the old brakes squealed - you say that they've been customized & replaced with better ones Again, if there wasn't a problem anymore, why mention it?

I've got a 1911 that would go full auto before it got "tuned up". Now it runs like a champ - I certainly wouldn't mention it though if I choose to sell it because it has no bearing after the problem was fixed.

Kevin
 
So, Pointaker, Boink should have eaten all the shipping costs too, and more, shipping & repairing a knife that he possibly didn't damage or didn't even need repair work?

What knife did he send you, Pointaker? Is it greater value than the knife than the shipping costs? If so, you made out.

Finally, if money meant so much to him - why did he offer the knife for the Good Cause auctions instead of reselling it? I guarantee you, it could be resold quickly, "lock problem" and all. Maybe it's because he did the right thing - and then some.

Kevin
 
TBG, I was citing your problem with rust mainly to illustrate my belief about the need for both parties to be satisfied. However, let's focus on rust for a minute. How much could really develop on a knife over the few days while it is in transit? Surface rust? Maybe, but pitted rust? I'm sorry, but I have to believe that your seller lied to you. Maybe Cliff could set up some tests. ;)

Kevin, FWIW, the latest misrepresentation in this whole sorry affair is your characterization of what transpired. I feel like I stepped through the looking glass here.

Yes, it is truly a shame that a person's reputation was damaged by this incident. However, Matt didn't do the damage. Boink did it to himself. If anyone is in doubt, read the thread.
 
The difference is you had the .45 fixed and you tested it and knew it was fixed before you sold it.When I got this knife from Boink it still went full auto, if you know what I mean.If I got this knife back from any custom maker it would have been back in the mail the same day, it was major play not minor.
Matt
 
Originally posted by Brian C
TBG, I was citing your problem with rust mainly to illustrate my belief about the need for both parties to be satisfied. However, let's focus on rust for a minute. How much could really develop on a knife over the few days while it is in transit? Surface rust? Maybe, but pitted rust? I'm sorry, but I have to believe that your seller lied to you. Maybe Cliff could set up some tests. ;)
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I guess that was my point as a good thing:) After I tried to remove it, with no luck, I e-mailed the seller. 5 Minutes later I got the "You've got cash" E-mail. I wouldn't hesitate to do business with this person again.:)
 
Sure as **** yes he should have covered the shipping when HE misrepped the knife!

The knife he sent me might be worth a little more then the shipping, but I have not even been able to sell it yet.

He did not offer anything until he caused me and several other members a hell of alot of grief! to say the least, he was trying to make it right after way too much damage was done!
 
Again, I'll wait for what JW Smith has to say before I pass judgement. Boink told me the play is minor, you say it's major. Boink says the knife went in for work, you say it's still beyond screwed up.

Clearly, there is a lot of difference between the two opinions.

Mr. Smith is the one who needs to be making judgements as to what's wrong with the knife right now.

Kevin
 
Oh yeah, he caused you a ton of grief. You trashed his rep, called him names, had all your friends ban him then pile on him and trash him publicly, then turned around and started more crap *after* the problem had been resolved to more satisfaction than you deserved.

In return, he gave you a free knife, your money back, and offered to give up this expensive knife for free - effectively losing double the money he sent back. Just how much were you going to buy this knife for anyhow? I'm going to bet it would have made a nice dent in the cost of the USN's new server. Because that raffle would probably have raised a lot.

And you say he's acting poorly.
 
Just calling it like I see it. Just like you and your pals did. I just did it in a civilized manner. You'll notice that you weren't banned, or ridiculed, or ganged up on. I didn't call for all the moderators to hop on you. I didn't have my pals start in on you. I didn't make you beg for a chance to defend yourself.

Kevin
 
Kevin, if that's "not what's being said" then please explain to me your theory with regard to the sale of rusty knives on this forum. Is that acceptable practice as it would appear. The guy goes the the hardware store to try and fix it? Perhaps you could publish the name of the seller so we could all avoid?
 
Like I said, it was my idea to try to fix it. I really wanted the knife and was hoping I could take care of it without sending it back for a refund. I got a knife that didn't meet my expectations, I verified with seller that I could try to fix it, It didn't work and I got a instant refund. What's to complain about??:confused:
 
I guess I have too much faith in the knife community then, this wasn't my first dealing with this person and when he says that the knife was in good shape when he mailed it, I believe him. The knife wasn't exactly rusted over to the point it couldn't open or close, it did however have a few small pitted areas throughout the blade. It's not what I expected to see when I opened the box. The seller offers a 3 days inspection period, so I don't see what he had to gain in sending me the damaged knife. Mistakes happen and he took care of it immediately.
 
Let it die! What is done is done, water under the bridge. Restitution has been made. It now serves no purpose to start it all up again. There will NEVER be 100% agreement as to what actually went on. The whole situation was aired out and everyone who wanted a say had their say. I simply do not see the point in starting all over again. I've never had a problem with Boink in any way, form , or fashion and I've never had a problem with Pontiaker in any way, form, or fashion. I've nothing to gain by siding with either one so I simply say "Let the thing die and be done with"

This is my first and last post on the subject!:) :) :)
 
You guys that are fervently defending Boink's behavior.........I have one question.....how can you even see to type with your head that far up your ass? A deal is not a deal until both people are happy. It's that freakin simple. No "send it back to the maker for evaluation" BS.....no "Ill send you the money when I have the knife BS"........ you undo the deal, plain and simple. Boink had already mentioned the knife had blade play, then said it was "mint" and "perfect". WTF? And Spark, one other thing....there are lots of folders out there that have no blade play at all, no matter how hard you shake them.:rolleyes: I have a several folders that you can't make the blade wiggle on AT ALL, short of putting them in a vise and jerking on the handle, so that "it's a folder what do you expect" line is a big crock of ****. Just my opinion, but I bet there are a LOT of members of this forum who would agree.
 
I am not defending anyone. I am saying if I sent a knife that I thought was in great shape and the first e-mail I get back from the seller is saying I was trying to con him, I am a rip off, I sold him a bunk knife, and got me banned from the forums before he even gave me a chance to make it right, I would tell him to suck my D--k!!! And I don't care who agrees with me. You treat people with respect if thats how you want to be treated:)
 
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