??Buck 110 Release Tomorrow (01/10/2022)??

I swear, some folks would complain even if they were getting hanged with a new rope.;)
"I have allergies. This rope you're planning to use makes my skin itch and it's hard for me to breathe. I know you didn't mean to get such a cheap rope, and you pro'lly feel real bad about it. Tell you what. I'll jest forgive and forget. You go your way, I'll go mine, and I won't tell anyone about your shoddy rope."

Sorry, I have nothing substantive to add about the actual conversation at hand. I don't think I've ever looked to see if the depression by the lock is finished on my 110's or 112's. It just hadn't occurred to me.
 
I got a very nice October BOTM 301, a lot of other people didn't. This is a niche hobbyist/collector forum where people are naturally going to discuss the good and the bad. what percent of overall knife owners post here? one half of one percent? amazing that you can't talk about an issue on a 1000 special run knife without being told you're poopooing a thread or brand lmao
 
I got a very nice October BOTM 301, a lot of other people didn't. This is a niche hobbyist/collector forum where people are naturally going to discuss the good and the bad. what percent of overall knife owners post here? one half of one percent? amazing that you can't talk about an issue on a 1000 special run knife without being told you're poopooing a thread or brand lmao
It's more about managing expectations. Some folks are acting like they bought a fancy can of tuna expecting caviar.
 
It's more about managing expectations. Some folks are acting like they bought a fancy can of tuna expecting caviar.
yeah I get it. it's a factory knife and has to balance value -v- fit and finish. this one was only 1000 knives and part of some new marketing campaign-Stealth Run. Maybe Buck could spend as much time giving the BOTMs and Stealth Run knives a once over as they could setting up the relevant photo shoot.
 
The chatter on fb sites and other social media sites, was a bit much. People were piling on with their complaints about what they saw as flaws and making all kinds of assumptions. Some didn’t even notice anything wrong but said wait let me check mine. Lol, I couldn’t believe it. Social media covers a large portion and it got out of hand. Some if not most of them are newbie’s and don’t know beans from buttermilk and making claims they know nothing about. It was really sad!
 
I believe folks need to lower their expectations a smidge.

When a company like Buck that typically goes out of their way to satisfy their customers decides to refund money rather than address the "issue" it tells me hey have become overwhelmed with frivolous complaints.

I'm concerned where his practice may lead us in the future.

I see both sides.
If the company and the consumer don't get on the same page, our hobby will be affected.
 
The chatter on fb sites and other social media sites, was a bit much. People were piling on with their complaints about what they saw as flaws and making all kinds of assumptions. Some didn’t even notice anything wrong but said wait let me check mine. Lol, I couldn’t believe it. Social media covers a large portion and it got out of hand. Some if not most of them are newbie’s and don’t know beans from buttermilk and making claims they know nothing about. It was really sad!
hmm yeah I could see sm being whipped into a hive mind frenzy of ridiculousness. hadn't considered those outlets as you'd have to pay me to participate 😂
 
yeah I get it. it's a factory knife and has to balance value -v- fit and finish. this one was only 1000 knives and part of some new marketing campaign-Stealth Run. Maybe Buck could spend as much time giving the BOTMs and Stealth Run knives a once over as they could setting up the relevant photo shoot.
Always in favor of higher quality and pushing for American made.

Buck did something really cool in offering the latest super steel in a classic well loved knife and they kept the cost down so more folks could get them. Still haven't seen or heard of a defect or finishing issue that is more than aesthetic on these 110s.
Trying to be that appreciative voice of reason, and wave off the angry mob like behavior Lesknife Lesknife is referring to.
 
I don't want to buy a sold out limited knife, get it and find it has a legitimate issue, only to find it won't be fixed and I'll just get my money back.

I could care less about lack of polish or centering issues, etc.

I'm guessing the OCD group is affecting the possibility me getting the knife I wanted.

That or there's a bigger problem, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.
 
I believe folks need to lower their expectations a smidge.

When a company like Buck that typically goes out of their way to satisfy their customers decides to refund money rather than address the "issue" it tells me hey have become overwhelmed with frivolous complaints.

I'm concerned where his practice may lead us in the future.

I see both sides.
If the company and the consumer don't get on the same page, our hobby will be affected.
I agree completely. Suck it up people it’s a 150$ knife with Magnacut. If you want a jewel like perfect fit finish collectable the standard Buck 110 ain’t it.
 
With all the buzz about Magnacut and this 'Stealth Run' I see a lot of folks who missed out and wished they had ordered one. So if anyone who is not happy with fit and finish or any other reason will have no trouble at all passing it down to someone who will be happy. And possibly with a small/large profit if they are so inclined. Mine is probably in the mailbox today and as long as it has a blade and opens and closes my experiment with the 110 and Magnacut will go on. Buyers remorse is real for many reasons and not all has to do with the knife itself or anything to do with Buck. If ya don't like it pass it on. A small number of folks would complain it you gave them a hundred bucks in 2 fifty dollar bills instead of 5 twentys...Book of Meier chapter 3 verse 12.
 
Since we're on "that" bus, I'll put my $0.02 in.

I bought a fixed blade once. It rattled around in the sheath when I shook it. Obviously, it was poor craftsmanship because when the knife was in its stowed position, the centering was off and the blade was loose.

Blade centering, unless actually contacting a bolster has absolutely zero impact on the function of the knife. It is merely a cosmetic criticism that gives the excessive compulsive folks something to complain about. It's mind boggling to me why some feel compelled to use blade centering as a measure of QC.

You say other companies don't have this problem? Please provide an example of a similarly mass produced folding knife that experiences fewer issues.

Now... edge grinding issues I'll agree with to some extent. I want my cutting edge to be the as close to center of the blade thickness as possible unless it's intended to be a chisel ground edge.

Blade can be moved in the stowed position? Again... tell me how it feels when the blade is open and locked. If it has play in that position, I'll concede there is a problem. If you want the blade absolutely fixed in the closed position, you're asking for a locking mechanism to hold it in place. I'm sure the bolsters can be tightened to a point that eliminates all movement when closed, but chances are you're not going to be able to open it, or you're going to complain about how hard it is to open.

These are 110s. One of the most primitively assembled knives today, and for the last half century. It's not some fancy spectacle with nylon bushings or bearings in some torque controlled fasteners at the pivot. It is put together by hammering a 1/8" brass pin into the bolster in hopes that when this pin swells from the pressure that it holds a tiny bronze bushing perfectly even between two brass frames so that the blade is perfectly perpendicular to this pin so it swings open and closed with minimal effort.

Educate yourself on how these knives are made and perhaps you'll have a better understanding of why things like centering and play are irrelevant when the blade is closed. There are plenty of videos out there of the Buck factory assembling these knives.

Now... if I'm spending a premium on a very limited run of 110s, I may hold them to a higher standard. But anything that's run through the regular production process - get your expectations realistic or stop buying them.

You're measuring a knife to your personal standards or against examples of knives that are assembled in a different manner with different materials. You need to measure these knives to the expectations of a 110, knowing how they are made. Did you get a good example of a 110?

And I'm not suggesting you lower your expectations. You should hold all manufactures who are competing for your hard earned dollars to a very high standard. But you should not hold a mule to the same standards you hold a thoroughbred. Different breeds and judge within what the breed standard is.
 
Wow, this is incredible.

It seems most recognize this knife for what it is, a standard 110 with an experimental blade. The 110 is not a showpiece, you can't expect perfect blade centering, or a little unpolished area to get special attention. An area that is never polished to begin with.

But...

There's a vocal minority that is determined to make this knife something it was never meant to be. This project probably began as an experiment. What do we do now? Heck, put them on the website at a modest price and see what happens. I'll tell you what happens, Buck will get fed up with the silly whiney butts and we won't see any more of these little treats.

Get a grip, guys! It's a hundred dollar knife. In this day and age that's peanuts, especially considering that these are made in the USA and at their core really nice knives.
 
I haven’t even opened mine yet. Can’t decide between user, collector, or move it along. Are they going to make more, or is there anything significant about this first run that warrants keeping it new?
 
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