Buck using Sandvik?

Well stated 300.There may be a pattern emerging, as Buck used their first steel around 19yrs., the next steel 12yrs., the next 14yrs..So, if you'll just be patient they're might be a change in the next 15yrs.. But, surely their specialty steels can make anybody happy.DM
 
Just fyi. Sandvik do have operations in the States. I dont know how many we are there but a careful guess is 1000-2000 people. We have a spring steel plant in Scranton, Pennsylvania. Valenite metal cutting tools is a Sandvik brand and all their product is made in the states, dont remember where though. Also there is plant for medical steel implants in the states. Along with a few service centers and sales units it will add up to at least 1000 people.

It still means none of the knife steel we make is made in the US. It all comes out of the small town of Sandviken since the year 1862 when Sandvik was founded where we are about 7000 employees in a town of only 35000.

Regards
//Jerker
 
Haebbie said:
Is it the 12C27 that is used in the Laguiole knives from France?

Best,
Haebbie
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Karesz68 said:
Yes it is but there heat treatment,is bad,they hardening the steel around 54HRC.
That is just soft,the knife takes a really sharp edge,but does not last long,top of that there is not real edge on the folders,so forget the edge geometry.The quality of the knife is not even close to buck.
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Thanks Karesz, that was the first thought I had : the weak steel from the laguioles. But I know what a good heat treatment would do.

Best,
Haebbie
 
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Interesting information within this thread.

Jerker - it is a pleasure to get information from a person with your knowledge of steel.
I am glad you decided to stick around.

Peter
 
Haebbie said:
Thanks Karesz, that was the first thought I had : the weak steel from the laguioles. But I know what a good heat treatment would do.

Best,
Haebbie
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Hi Haebbie,
I feel I need to comment on this statement. Laguioles is a pattern, a style of knives made by several french companies. It's true that the heat treatment is of the outmost importance to unlock the potential of the steel. Having said that I would like to say that the different french companies heat treat differently. There are some that heat treat according to our specs and make a fine product. But there is also the ones that heat treat in the low fifties, which for a knife of that type is below our recommendations and end up with a too soft blade. Pocket knives of that style and geometry would be best suited in the 58-60 range imo.

Also 12C27 is not used by Buck. Buck choosed to go forward with 12C27Mod and 13C26.

Regards
//Jerker
 
David Martin said:
Does the Swiss Army Victorinox use a Sandvik steel?DM
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Hi David,
No, unfortunatly not. We have supplied them some steel in the past and we might still do but not for the knife blades. Mostly spring wire for their multi tools but also handle material for their "Swiss tool". The major properties they were after was formability and easy polish. As for blade steel I believe they use a steel fairly similar to our 7C27Mo2, but from a competitor. More info about 7C27Mo2 is in the hardeningguide.

//Jerker
 
Haebbie said:
Thanks a lot for the Informations. But a Question: What means the "M"
or the Mod behind the 12C27?

Best,
Haebbie
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Hi Haebbie,
Poor marketing ;). Some guy in Sandvik in the 80's, when the steel was developed, decided that 12C27 was famous and well known so lets call the new grade something similar. "12C27 modified", wouldn't have been my choice but now we are where we are.

There is however a connection between 12C27 and 12C27Mod, because 12C27M was developed to be able to handle daily dishwasher use while still be able to be heat treated in the high fifties. Up to 59HRC within our recommendations. So it was a 12C27 for the home when the dishwashers began to be every familys property. Apart from BUCK you can find this steel in the Fiskars Montana proffessional kitchen knives and in the MoS proffessional butcher knives. Buck is the only US company using this steel.

Regards
//Jerker
 
I'm looking forward to seeing the Sandvik steel in a Buck blade...but I do hope 334dave is wrong and that the folders/fixed blades we are all so attached to [110, 119, etc] get the new steel as well as the "tacticool" blades that all the mfg's (including Buck) seem to be pushing lately...

I, for one, would like to see Jerker's comments more often... :)
 
Razorsharp244 said:
... Buck is the only US company using this steel.

Regards
//Jerker
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Jerker, thanks again for the Informations. But I have another Question: Would you please tell us the rules behind the designation of the Sandvik steels?

Best regards,
Haebbie
 
chickentrax said:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Sandvik steel in a Buck blade...but I do hope 334dave is wrong and that the folders/fixed blades we are all so attached to [110, 119, etc] get the new steel as well as the "tacticool" blades that all the mfg's (including Buck) seem to be pushing lately...
I, for one, would like to see Jerker's comments more often... :)
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i did not say that it would not be used in the 110 at some time..only that a contact said it is not going to be this year that she knew of ..
but if it comes out in a 110 i will try it..
looking for a ats34 110 now, any one got an extra?:confused:
 
Jerker,

Your information is most appreciated. I do have a question too.
I actually have a few custom knives in 12C27 (from South Africa). Since I'm on the verge of receiving my Vantage Avid's in 12C26, I was wondering what the differences are between the two? Specifically in the basics: Staining, Easy Sharpening, Edge Retention, and Toughness.

Your participation here is most appreciated Jerker. Thanks for sharing.
 
Jerker,
if you dont mind, do you'll offer steels that are the equivalent of
s30v or bg42 or cpm154 ?
or better yet- some kind of
Damascus or layer showing steel ?
is it your company that offers a blade with a hard center layer of steel
laminated on the out side with two layers of softer steels ?
 
Mr. Jerker, Thank you for answering my questions about Victorinox steels.
Chicken Trax your #92 post is right on! DM
 
Haebbie said:
Jerker, thanks again for the Informations. But I have another Question: Would you please tell us the rules behind the designation of the Sandvik steels?

Best regards,
Haebbie
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Hi again Haebbie,
The rules are as follows. First figure is carbon content x 20. So 13C26 has about 0.65% carbon and 12C27 has 0.6% carbon. 12C27M is the odd one, it should according to our standards be 10C29 since it has 0.52% Carbon.

The second figure is for 2x Crome content. So 13C26 has 13%Chrome and 12C27 has 13.5% Crome.

Strange but many steel codes are built in similar ways.
Regards
//Jerker
 
334dave said:
Jerker,
if you dont mind, do you'll offer steels that are the equivalent of
s30v or bg42 or cpm154 ?
or better yet- some kind of
Damascus or layer showing steel ?
is it your company that offers a blade with a hard center layer of steel
laminated on the out side with two layers of softer steels ?
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Hi Dave,
No not really. The steels you list are in three distinct different categories.
1. S30V is a powder steel and we dont do powder steels at all within Sandvik Strip Steel.
2. 154CM and BG42. These are coarse carbide tool steels. Our 19C27 would fit this category with 0.95% Carbon and 13.5% crome. Maximum hardness is 63HRC.
3. We do no laminates or damscus steels. We supply some that use our steel as a component. Devon Tomas of Tomas Damascus uses 19C27 for for some of his product. I know William Henry knives uses his 19C27 Damascus. Laminated, no. The japanese are pretty much alone doing this. Also here we have supplied 19C27 and 13C26 as components but it's a while back now. i dont know of any end-users who used it.

Regards
//Jerker
 
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