Busse for actual combat

so far in my experience, there is no knife fighting. there is no squaring off with some other blade wielding opponent with some fancy ninja or high-speed secret operator moves, smacking steel together.

what there is, out in the real world, ... colliding into a bad guy as you round a corner so hard that it dazes you. having no room to move. having your primary weapon pointing at the ground past him. having no time to figure out what to do about any of this. reaching for a blade you keep on your gear.
what follows is so ugly. it is not a knife fight.
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
But mostly I think this knife would do the trick...

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Oh my!! :eek:

LOL
 
Band-aid said:
so far in my experience, there is no knife fighting. there is no squaring off with some other blade wielding opponent with some fancy ninja or high-speed secret operator moves, smacking steel together.

what there is, out in the real world, ... colliding into a bad guy as you round a corner so hard that it dazes you. having no room to move. having your primary weapon pointing at the ground past him. having no time to figure out what to do about any of this. reaching for a blade you keep on your gear.
what follows is so ugly. it is not a knife fight.
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you do occasionally see stabbings occur. if your friend gets into a brawl against your wishes, you do have some time at your disposal as long as you stay calm. the more realistically you train, the more likely you are to act accordingly.

I've always believed in training under intense massive shock and pain, a padded crowbar strike, tazers, and oc spray. you get used to working under those conditions consistently, you a lot less likely to have the omg reaction.

you train for reality, not for fiction.
 
You know? What LVC says is very true. I won't knock any particular style of martial arts but I had a year or so in a Japanese style of karate. It was lots of fun - I learned a lot. Even still, between the katas and kumite, all of the training was low impact. I think the act of training under much of the same kind of conditions you will find in a real world environment, the more prepared you are when it happens.

There was a HUGE difference between training people to eskimo roll whitewater kayaks in a warm pool, than performing an unexpected combat roll on a 25F day, upside down, rocks bouncing off your helmet and PFD, water flushing you downstream and twisting your paddle around as you try to set up for the roll.

I'm thinking Pekiti Tirsia Kali may be the next stop for me. It sounds like lots of real world training. ie., it's gonna hurt! ;)
 
I think the Scrofa would be a pretty nasty little knife in a dust-up. Of the Busse's that can be reasonably carried around, the Scrofa would be my pick for SD- reverse grip slashes with that thing are brutal.

If I knew I was getting into a fight, and for some reason, I couldn't just grab one of my guns, I'd go with the FFBM. It's not fast or handy, but it will destroy anything that gets in its way.
 
I'd go with my Killer B. Much faster in the hand than any of my larger Busses, suits how I like to use a blade. The 4 inch blade is what I've trained for in Kali since I always carry a folder with that length. AND I'll be carrying it when I need it here in my urban environment.
 
one of the custom thinned out killer bees would be awesome.

anyone whose had a bone nicked by a blade, or hit a bone good and solid on a concrete corner or a metal bar knows that feeling of completely instant body shock. you can keep doing whatever you need to be doing, but you have to actively resist that desire to curl up in a fetal position and cradle the injury. "it's not fatal, don't worry about it for now" is a hard thing to develop, but it's important.

also, learning how to run correctly is worth a whole lot :)... lol, sorry "tactical egress" and "tactical evasion" since we're on the internet ;):thumbup:
 
Paddling_man said:
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I'm thinking Pekiti Tirsia Kali may be the next stop for me. It sounds like lots of real world training. ie., it's gonna hurt! ;)
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I have always liked the Dog Brothers Martial Arts stick fighting. Pretty darn realistic. I remember doing some of that stuff with no padding when I was younger. I guess that explains the blackouts and random drooling. :p But realistic training is where it is at. :thumbup::thumbup: Just get lot of ice. :D
 
If I had to choose a Busse I would want an AK-47. However my EDC knives are a 6" bladed Vaquero Grande from Cold Steel. And a Microtech Ultratech. Along with a Glock 9mm or 10mm (If I am in the woods and need to be able to take out a bear with doubletap ammo (16) 200-230 gr bullets per magazine moving very fast. Along with a Surefire L1 CREE version. Anyway most Busse knives are not well suited for actual fighting use. Most make great camp/outdoor knives. Anyway I like the glass breaker on the Microtech knife because I'm sure it would crack a skull wide open if needed, but the 6" blade of the Vaquero is nice. In closing, most Busse knives are at home in the woods, not in an actual fight.
 
Also, I snap cut. I know this because I have had to do this before. For those who are not familiar, it is a quick straight forward stab, followed by a quick slice. My natural point of aim is the stomach, and it is incredibly effective. But like I said above, you just can't beat the 10MM not even if your packing a .45. I can draw and have my knife deployed on target in a half of a second, from a busy hands or above the waist starting place.
 
xanax said:
Also, I snap cut. I know this because I have had to do this before. For those who are not familiar, it is a quick straight forward stab, followed by a quick slice. My natural point of aim is the stomach, and it is incredibly effective. But like I said above, you just can't beat the 10MM not even if your packing a .45. I can draw and have my knife deployed on target in a half of a second, from a busy hands or above the waist starting place.
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Practice makes perfect.

I drill often drawing and firing from the hip and just above the waist with IDPA targets as close as arms length away.......and time my drills. The scenarios one can find themselves in need of drawing a weapon from are endless and it pays to practice as many as possible. Same goes for deploying a knife.
 
xanax said:
9mm or 10mm (If I am in the woods and need to be able to take out a bear with doubletap ammo (16) 200-230 gr bullets
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Wandering off-topic, but where do you find bullets of this weight in these calibers? 9mm runs about 115-147 and 10mm at 135-200. Once you get above 180 on the 10, you start to trade kinetic energy for better penetration. I can't imagine that it gets better with something as heavy as 230.

Rick - choosing 270 grains in .429, thank you very much
 
xanax said:
If I had to choose a Busse I would want an AK-47. However my EDC knives are a 6" bladed Vaquero Grande from Cold Steel. And a Microtech Ultratech. Along with a Glock 9mm or 10mm (If I am in the woods and need to be able to take out a bear with doubletap ammo (16) 200-230 gr bullets per magazine moving very fast. Along with a Surefire L1 CREE version. Anyway most Busse knives are not well suited for actual fighting use. Most make great camp/outdoor knives. Anyway I like the glass breaker on the Microtech knife because I'm sure it would crack a skull wide open if needed, but the 6" blade of the Vaquero is nice. In closing, most Busse knives are at home in the woods, not in an actual fight.
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Ohhhh....kayyy..... (backs away slowly):eek:
 
xanax said:
If I had to choose a Busse I would want an AK-47. However my EDC knives are a 6" bladed Vaquero Grande from Cold Steel. And a Microtech Ultratech. Along with a Glock 9mm or 10mm (If I am in the woods and need to be able to take out a bear with doubletap ammo (16) 200-230 gr bullets per magazine moving very fast. Along with a Surefire L1 CREE version. Anyway most Busse knives are not well suited for actual fighting use. Most make great camp/outdoor knives. Anyway I like the glass breaker on the Microtech knife because I'm sure it would crack a skull wide open if needed, but the 6" blade of the Vaquero is nice. In closing, most Busse knives are at home in the woods, not in an actual fight.
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xanax, I'm wondering why you don't choose a .44 for bear. Also, what qualities in a knife make for a good fighter?
 
So overall, you folks dont think that a CG FBM would make a good choice...outside of general utility in the field...what about deployed as a SD blade.

Too big, thick etc... or not??
 
Grego said:
So overall, you folks dont think that a CG FBM would make a good choice...outside of general utility in the field...what about deployed as a SD blade.

Too big, thick etc... or not??
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If we're talking slowish, staggering, flesh-eating zombies, I think you're on the right track.

Also, an FBM would likely scare the bejesus out of most folks if you start brandishing it in a threatening manner.

Sort of like this...

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*Who is this fellow? I can't place him with his username for the life of me.
 
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