Busse knives really worth the bux ?

[leatherman]

Maybe you're doing it wrong.

No doubt.

As far as the rapier grip, that is the correct positioning! Even without a cross quillion the grip is the same. Those last two fingers are not gripping the handle, simply circling it. Thanks for the pics! I think your right on pinch grip term and it is a little confusing.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Agreed. An example that I experienced was the instance when I was scouting, not hunting, and a young buck ran up and practically surrendered. He gave me time to take out the bird shot from my shotgun chamber and insert a slug and shoot him. Since I was scouting, I had only a very tiny pen knife in my pocket. More of a fingernail cleaner/string cutter than anything. But with it, I field dressed that deer. Then after transporting and checking it, out of curiosity more than need, I proceeded to completely skin and butcher that deer with the same pen knife. Knowing that the knife might fold backwards breaking the blade or spring if I put too much pressure on the blade by using the handle only, I used my finger on the back of the blade so that the pressure was not on the tang, spring or joint. Knowing that a folding knife can fold in use, I kept the blade angle such that it never was biased in that direction. It took a long time to complete the task, but by and by I did get it done.

Another instance occured when I was bow hunting and killed a treed coon. Her mate was not so easily taken, though mortally wounded and by that time I had lost or broken all of my arrows. I tied my sheath knife to a limb long enough to reach the coon and twisted him out of the tree to the ground where I could impale him against a solid surface. The sheath knife was not pointed enough to penetrate the tough hide and fat on it's own.

So yes, adaptation and improvisation can extend the uses of a knife or other tool. But as the famous philosopher once said , "A man has got to know his limitations". And likewise his tools' as Codger would say.

Exactly! :thumbup:

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

No doubt.

As far as the rapier grip, that is the correct positioning! Even without a cross quillion the grip is the same. Those last two fingers are not gripping the handle, simply circling it. Thanks for the pics! I think your right on pinch grip term and it is a little confusing.

Ah, yes--but for it to be a "rapier grip" some form of guard or deep choil would be required and you controlling fingers would have to be on the blade rather than the handle. Also, the orientation is different than a machete grip, as it's a grip designed for tip control rather than slashing--though it can be employed for making very nice horizontal slicing actions. A machete grip is much more like that used for a sabre, but to name it a "sabre grip" would be confusing since the term is already employed in the knife community to refer to a blade-upward grip as compared to an "icepick grip."

 

[chiral.grolim]

Ah, yes--but for it to be a "rapier grip" some form of guard or deep choil would be required and you controlling fingers would have to be on the blade rather than the handle. Also, the orientation is different than a machete grip, as it's a grip designed for tip control rather than slashing--though it can be employed for making very nice horizontal slicing actions. A machete grip is much more like that used for a sabre, but to name it a "sabre grip" would be confusing since the term is already employed in the knife community to refer to a blade-upward grip as compared to an "icepick grip."

I too am confused by the mixed use of terms in this regard. Like Leatherman, "pinch-grip" evokes images of pinching the blade for closer work like skinning or chopping/slicing small things with an over-long knife, a common practice with a wide variety of cutting implements from machete's to razor-blades. This is what I would describe as a "pinch-grip", and it is how it has been described to me.

The tight but free-rotation grip being described I've heard called an "index-grip" and "rapier/fencing-grip". Even if these are inaccurate (afterall, 'rapier' is a German word for a Spanish sword-style), they correctly evoke the image of index-finger & thumb wrapped around the handle and controlling the motion of the blade while the distal fingers remain looser and allow the pommel to rotate as needed around the forefingers for increased agility and blade-snaps. The effectiveness of this terminology argues for its 'correctness'.
But as was pointed out, most 'rapiers' employ quillions and a ricasso below the guard for controlled grip and are stabbing tools, while most machetes have only the ricasso and are primarily slashing tools. Since other grips-positions take their names from the way other tools are held (e.g. hammer, ice-pick), perhaps there should be a term "machete-grip" or less dogmatically "slash grip"? Afterall, this grip is employed for slashing regardless of the bladed tool, just like the "pinch-grip" both Leatherman & myself are familiar with - machete, sword, scalpel, pocket-kinfe. Wrapping fingers around the handle is not "pinching", so it is no surprise if many are confused by such terminology. Then again, it would not be the first time that a word is applied to something that it does not describe



To FortyTwoBlades, the Duluth Trading Company sells Men's work-gloves Size Small (not US-made) for those of use with medium/small hands that are still too burly for Large-size women's gloves. These in particular fit my hands well whereas the largest size made for women are too snug.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I too am confused by the mixed use of terms in this regard. Like Leatherman, "pinch-grip" evokes images of pinching the blade for closer work like skinning or chopping/slicing small things with an over-long knife, a common practice with a wide variety of cutting implements from machete's to razor-blades. This is what I would describe as a "pinch-grip", and it is how it has been described to me.

The tight but free-rotation grip being described I've heard called an "index-grip" and "rapier/fencing-grip". Even if these are inaccurate (afterall, 'rapier' is a German word for a Spanish sword-style), they correctly evoke the image of index-finger & thumb wrapped around the handle and controlling the motion of the blade while the distal fingers remain looser and allow the pommel to rotate as needed around the forefingers for increased agility and blade-snaps. The effectiveness of this terminology argues for its 'correctness'.
But as was pointed out, most 'rapiers' employ quillions and a ricasso below the guard for controlled grip and are stabbing tools, while most machetes have only the ricasso and are primarily slashing tools. Since other grips-positions take their names from the way other tools are held (e.g. hammer, ice-pick), perhaps there should be a term "machete-grip" or less dogmatically "slash grip"? Afterall, this grip is employed for slashing regardless of the bladed tool, just like the "pinch-grip" both Leatherman & myself are familiar with - machete, sword, scalpel, pocket-kinfe. Wrapping fingers around the handle is not "pinching", so it is no surprise if many are confused by such terminology. Then again, it would not be the first time that a word is applied to something that it does not describe



To FortyTwoBlades, the Duluth Trading Company sells Men's work-gloves Size Small (not US-made) for those of use with medium/small hands that are still too burly for Large-size women's gloves. These in particular fit my hands well whereas the largest size made for women are too snug.

See, that's just the trick, though. If I wanted I could easily hold a machete like a fencing foil or rapier (using the front of the handle as a stand-in for a quillion) but it would orient the machete wrong. So I would strongly argue against that being a proper term for the grip used on a machete. I think the term "pinch grip" likely was describing the pinching action used by the base of the forefinger and thumb, which reminds me that that area is often referred to as the "saddle" of the forefinger and thumb, so perhaps "saddle grip" would be appropriate? There's another grip that can also be used when delivering heavy blows with a machete that's referred to as a "handshake grip." As the name implies you "shake the hand" of the handle, which is subtly different from the aforementioned "saddle grip." Rather than the palm acting as a stop against the handle at the termination of the snap, the end of the handle comes to the inside of the wrist in a smooth casting action. This grip is traditionally used on viking swords, which have handles too short and pommels too squared to be held comfortably in a "hammer grip." Blows using the handshake grip are less dynamic but put a little extra "oomph" into the chop. Just REALLY prepare for your follow-through in case you miss because you can injure your wrist if you aren't paying attention.

 

[leatherman]

I'm going to have to agree with chiral.grolim on the new name idea, "slash grip" is an awesome term!

 

[Jessekf]

I have a Busse NMSFNO and many Esee6's. When I head into the woods on foot I take the Esee6 because it weighs less. When I head into the woods on 4 wheels, I take the Busse. The Busse is the most overbuilt, awesome knife I could think of, but it doesnt diminish how awesome the Esee6. They are both great knives. I think Esee's are the best bang for your buck in a knife on the market, but the Busse is well worth the extra money.

 

[leatherman]

I've got one of those ESEE 6's and wholeheartedly agree! Its one heck of a knife. I got mine from Two Wolves Outdoors a while back and it hooked me on Jeff's product. I blame Lisa 100% for enabling my addiction!

Got a Junglas and Izula 2 recently to top off the original Izula, 3, 4, and 5. Now looking at the Candiru and Lazer Strike. ACK!!!!

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

I love my 6. Great knife.

 

[leatherman]

ESEE6, Junglas, Izula 2, and I'd have all I need in a light weight package.


Not all I want mind you, but all I need.

 

[Cobalt]

ESEE3 and junglas is all you need.

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

A good machete and a good traditional folder from the "peasant family" of knives is all you need, in my opinion.

 

[grunt soldier]

Man I was sure this thread would have died by now Busse rocks!!! but so do a lot of other blades, like esee, fehrman, bark river, ect ect ect.

 

[leatherman]

ESEE3 and junglas is all you need.

I seem to always do things in threes, so two knives would just mess with my head too much.

A good machete and a good traditional folder from the "peasant family" of knives is all you need, in my opinion.

Dont have either one of those so I'd have to spend more money, and time in the dog house. I do have a couple of douk douk's though.

Man I was sure this thread would have died by now Busse rocks!!! but so do a lot of other blades, like esee, fehrman, bark river, ect ect ect.

Oh yes, variety is the spice of life, there's just too many nifty knives out there to settle on just one brand.

 

[SENGVIN]

I have a question:
Is Porsche really worth the bux?? (And I said Porsche because there are better and more exotic cars just like there are better and more exotic knives than busse)
Hell yea !!!
If I have the money I'll go buy it,if I don't ? I don't talk about it and do everything so that I could afford it in the future ! Right?
Because if people would think like that ,we All would be driving Fords because it will do ! Think about it
p.s.
I only own one Busse knife. Because they have unattractive design for me, But that is just me

 

[FortyTwoBlades]

Dont have either one of those so I'd have to spend more money, and time in the dog house. I do have a couple of douk douk's though.

A Douk Douk classifies as a being in the "peasant family" to me! I don't mean specifically the Svord Peasant Knife although those are in the class as well. I consider the "peasant family" of knives to consist of all of the proven quality traditional-styled knives in the budget-friendly range. Thinks like Opinel, Mercator, Douk Douk, etc. Even the simple Victorinox patterns.

 

[Cobalt]

I have a question:
Is Porsche really worth the bux?? (And I said Porsche because there are better and more exotic cars just like there are better and more exotic knives than busse)
Hell yea !!!
If I have the money I'll go buy it,if I don't ? I don't talk about it and do everything so that I could afford it in the future ! Right?
Because if people would think like that ,we All would be driving Fords because it will do ! Think about it
p.s.
I only own one Busse knife. Because they have unattractive design for me, But that is just me

Good analogy. Porsche is the Busse of the car world. Not the most expensive, not the fastest, not the best handling, not the best braking, not the most reliable, but it is the one that combines all those qualities better than any other brand. And that is why it has won more races than any other brand in history.

However, the point being made is that you can get 75% of the porsche qualities at 40% of the price, and that hurts a whole lot less. And for some the financial position is valid and a reality. Not everyone can or want to pay what it costs to drive a porsche. Same goes for Busse.

 

[leatherman]

A Douk Douk classifies as a being in the "peasant family" to me! I don't mean specifically the Svord Peasant Knife although those are in the class as well. I consider the "peasant family" of knives to consist of all of the proven quality traditional-styled knives in the budget-friendly range. Thinks like Opinel, Mercator, Douk Douk, etc. Even the simple Victorinox patterns.

Ah, makes sense, I also have a couple of Opinel knives, one Inox and the other carbon. But the one I carry more often than any knife is an Old Timer Stockman, it broke my heart when they went out of business. Thinking back nearly 40 years of carrying a Schrade slip joint. I still have one of my first.

I guess Busse could be compared to Porsche, but I look at them more as Hummer's, expensive but you can beat the crud out of it and it keeps on going,

 

[Cobalt]

Ah, makes sense, I also have a couple of Opinel knives, one Inox and the other carbon. But the one I carry more often than any knife is an Old Timer Stockman, it broke my heart when they went out of business. Thinking back nearly 40 years of carrying a Schrade slip joint. I still have one of my first.

I guess Busse could be compared to Porsche, but I look at them more as Hummer's, expensive but you can beat the crud out of it and it keeps on going,

Please, do not ever compare a Busse to a hummer. The only hummer worthy of the name is the original H1. The H2 is a massive piece of dog crap. The H3 is just another suv.

 

[leatherman]

Please, do not ever compare a Busse to a hummer. The only hummer worthy of the name is the original H1. The H2 is a massive piece of dog crap. The H3 is just another suv.

There are other Hummer's? I do know there are Suburbans with a H plate, but only one Hummer.

Thou doth protest too much.