Busse knives really worth the bux ?

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leatherman said:
There are other Hummer's? I do know there are Suburbans with a H plate, but only one Hummer.

Thou doth protest too much. :p
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ok, just so we are clear, the only hummer is the original H1. Everything else being called a hummer is no better than Monica Lewinski's soiled dress:D
 
Yes, I meant the 2 and 3, I guess the humor was a little too subtle. :o Some call the other two mis name plated Suburbans.

Oh, btw FortyTwoBlades, I looked up the Svord Peasant knife, I like!
 
crom said:
As soon as I saw the post on here where a guy cuts apart a lawnmower deck, some sort of outside HVAC something or other, and other assorted stuff one wouldn't think to cut with a $60 Becker I came to the realization there is a lot of BS in the knife world.

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There has always been lots of BS in the knife world.

Here are two different BK9's that broke in exactly the same spot. No relation to each other and no "throwing" like the BK2 that broke from throwing. What are the chances that two BK9's would break in nearly the exact same spot? And you can't even say they were modded. If they had been ground to satin, you could say that overheating did it. If someone had stuck a huge edge bevel on it, same thing.


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Cobalt said:
There has always been lots of BS in the knife world.

Here are two different BK9's that broke in exactly the same spot. No relation to each other and no "throwing" like the BK2 that broke from throwing. What are the chances that two BK9's would break in nearly the exact same spot? And you can't even say they were modded. If they had been ground to satin, you could say that overheating did it. If someone had stuck a huge edge bevel on it, same thing.


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What exactly were you doing to make these snap?

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Well, they both obviously have the distinctive wear pattern to the coating from batoning...but that shouldn't break one unless you're doing it wrong.
 
Sorry guys, those aren't my beckers. The first is from a thread here on bladeforums and the second one broke with little flexing. I use to own three beckers, a brute, BK9 and BK2. But these above aren't mine.
 
So, has anybody learned anything after 20 pages, not me. Some people love 'em regardless of what anyone says. Some people dislike them with equal vigour, A few of us find some merit in some of them. We've had it asserted that the weakness of INFI is deformation but that is preferable to chipping. It has also been asserted by as Busse fan that the strength of INFI comes into its own in very thick blades and that their own implementation 52100 offers better edge retention at tasks I'd venture to suggest that most people would consider normal. And now after 20 pages we're rapidly heading to that great porcelain throne with extraordinary uses that don't really have any bearing on cutting instruments as I understand them. Bravo for the BK2. Wouldn't be my first choice of tool if those tasks were on my list, but hey, whatever floats your boat. And that broken BK9, shame, but wasn't that done by the original and unmasked knife torturing Naus Cliff Stamp. Ho hum. I used to hang out on the Swamp Rat forum quite a lot, so Busse by another name, and I saw a Crash Rat with a great chunk missing out of it. And I still recall Pitdog delivering the joke “make it snappy” in a thread with another Busse factory broken knife in it. Stuff breaks if you're unlucky or you do 'tarded shit, who'd -a-thunk-it. About the only thing that is clear after all this is that buyers should be very wary of what sellers are up to, and when the magician is showing you this hand you really should be watching the other one, and who'd a thunk that either. It's not like all of them are trying to remove your money and put it in their bank accounts now is it. They really are your friends with your best interests at heart. Lovely. So we each make a choice according to what we know, or what we think we know, and sometimes even with a spot of prejudice, and with good luck and a run of use that draws upon wisdom we might find we spent wisely. Mebe we won't. I'm just curious as to whether it's going to take another 20 pages before we have a gentleman's agreement that there is no more to it that that, or whether all that backslapping there was earlier was premature and like all the other threads like this it will end up locked and with the power to decide taken from us.
 
baldtaco-II said:
So, has anybody learned anything after 20 pages, not me.
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I did ! Its simple. People with enough money buy whatever they like! And the rest of us ? Well we will always find the reason to complain about it and elevate the Becker above rest of the knives :-) Why because we can afford it .
Damn I should really get one .
 
I learned that a big block of text is really hard to read in the morning when my eyes arent quite up to the task yet. :p

SENGVIN, well said, and right on the money (pun) I've always gone by the old saying "Buy the best you can afford" Afford being the key word. Some people seem to go broke trying to get that special "super knife" so they can be part of the club.
 
Cobalt said:
The first is from a thread here on bladeforums and the second one broke with little flexing.
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The second one was Cliff Stamp's. As I recall he hammered it into a tree and either stood/jumped on it or hung from it. Can't remember which.
If the BK-9 had been .25" or more (like the BK-2 that took out the lawnmower or like many Busses), I expect the result may have been different.
The lesson: don't use your knife as a climbing rung and you'll be fine. :p

baldtaco-II said:
I saw a Crash Rat with a great chunk missing out of it.
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Was that the one that went after an old toilet? Porcelain don't play that game. You sharpen knives on porcelain; you don't chop up porcelain. :D
 
Guyon, sup .....................I can't remember. It was prior to CitizenQ becoming a mod there so back a bit. I'd be surprised if I didn't have a grab of the whole thread somewhere but not here.
 
I would agree had those BK-9s been .25 inch thick stock it may have had a different result. How ever Ethan designed them the same way Jeff and Mike did the Junglas. They are 3/16 for a reason and that is because its a heck of a lot easier to use a 3/16 inch thick knife all day when chopping than it is a 1/4 inch knife. It is however weaker but a knife isnt designed to hold the weight of a human bouncing on it.

Are Busse knives worth the cost simple answer if you like the the design and can afford one than sure, if the answer to one of those questions is a no then that is the answer to all of them.

I personally prefer to stick to ESEE knives and Swamp Rat knives not because they are better or worse but because I much prefer the designs of them and I can afford them.

I am going to go head and flame suit up for this one, as far as Beckers go if that is what you can afford and the design you like then go for it but I would take an ESEE over a Becker any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Now for the reasons; better fit and finish, better sheath, better heat treat from my experiences, better warranty. That being said I do think the BK-2 at 50 bucks is a good deal much above that price and I think it falls into the decent knife catigory.
 
I think that the difference between ESEE and BK is their HT. Esee has a differential HT which allows for much more flexibility and toughness. Like Scrapyard.

Cliff's BK9 broke with little to no flexing.
Dennis
 
It also looks like it snapped right where the stamp is. Unless I'm mistaken it looks like it's right at the edge of it.
 
I wonder if it had something to do with how they used to roll stamp them. I will give the Beckers credit the new coating and laser etching does in my eyes seem to look like they are moving forward in how they make there knives.

I also agree with the ESEE ht. I think what Rowen does with 1095 is just amazing really makes for a solid knife out of a rather "cheap" steel by todays standards.
 
I agree that a differential HT adds some flex, and Patrick, I have read that the roll stamp process could be partly behind those breaks. Look at how they're at the same point.
As for Ka-Bar's 1095, it's not exactly peanut brittle. See complete flex test here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/785031-Broken-ESKABAR
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Oh, and here's an old, relevant post of mine.

Guyon said:
I've seen Swamp Rats do some crazy things. Here's one that was put up against a toilet.

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But I've also seen some Beckers do some crazy things. Here's one that was put up against a lawn mower.

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Since I don't fight toilets or lawnmowers, I think I'm going to be safe in the woods with either one. ;)
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Maybe this could be summed up as this....

The value of product is directly related to how much people want to put it down..

Hence, the busse is the best value knife BY FAR..... :)

The fact that becker and esee knifes have been dragged into this also demonstrates their value..

I'm pretty sure I could break any knife, but whats the point? I have never had a need to break up a toilet with a knife. So far I've never had to defend my self with a knife from angry old lawn mowers...

Plenty of "knife envy" or "purchase justification" sufferers in this thread....
 
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