Buyer BEWARE

1066vik said:
~~~~~ looked like a molding/sprue mark to me - offer to refund on return still stands.
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The pic is out of focus [to me at least] and I can't really see much. But I have had some 'molded handles' before that looked similar to this and it was indeed a molding/spru mark/deformation and they were new.

You should be able to tell if it is a brand mark designating a "second".

Post a good clear close up ....
....or just send it back ARAK. And hopefully learn from this. Communicate with the seller and try to work things out ... before you come here. :thumbup:

Best regards,
Cp
 
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teacher said:
The pic is out of focus [to me at least] and I can't really see much. But I have had some 'molded handles' before that looked similar to this and it was indeed a molding/spru mark/deformation and they were new.

You should be able to tell if it is a brand mark designating a "second".

Post a good clear close up ....
....or just send it back ARAK. And hopefully learn from this. Communicate with the seller and try to work things out ... before you come here. :thumbup:

Best regards,
Cp
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So very true.

Now that you jumped the gun posting here first and have ranted and raved in the face of a Seller offering a refund and stated that the initials "FS" are melted into the handle to post a photo in focus that in fact supports your claim.

Like Teacher said; many molded handles have molding marks of some kind and the photo you posted does not dispute that.

I find it hard to believe, real hard that this Seller would fail to disclose this type of "marking" on a knife he had for sale. So by all means ARAK show us a photo!!
 
I feel that a "chunk" of that size should have been disclosed, how ever I also feel you are doing the seller wrong by posting this before privately emailing him to resolve the matter. I think you should both lose out on the shipping. By that I mean ship it back to him and if it cost you $3.45 the seller should refund that amount only. That way you both lose on shipping and maybe next time he will list a little more careful and you will ask for more photos and email seller before posting here. That is my 2 cents worth. :D
 
AF said:
Damaged handle should have been disclosed.
Buyer should have contacted seller before posting here.
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I agree with the above. As far as the shipping goes, hopefully you guys are both man enough to settle that amongst yourselves. Three or four or even five dollars is not too much money in the grand scheme of things. -DT
 
after some thought, i have concluded the buyer is the problem here, not the seller.

based on his reaction here, and a few other transactions, i would not sell to arak.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
after some thought, i have concluded the buyer is the problem here, not the seller.

based on his reaction here, and a few other transactions, i would not sell to arak.
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+1 for the buyer at fault.

Besides an extremely out of focus picture, what else do we have to go on?

I didn't know you could take pictures that out of focus. I figured the camera would turn around and smack you silly.
 
While I still think that the blemish in the handle should have been disclosed, it may have been an oversight. It light of recent events I would not consider dealing with the buyer. And he definitely should have contacted the seller before starting this thread. It seems that when things don't go perfectly for this buyer, he reacts very irrationally.
 
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Careful. If someone refuses to sell to the little turd he'll leave them negative iTrader feedback. Pure class.

-Tye
 
Careful. If someone refuses to sell to the little turd he'll leave them negative iTrader feedback. Pure class.
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These remarks are "pure class."

Earlier I posted and agreed that he should have contacted the seller, put I own a beautiful, never used Peackeeper I and I don't care what you all think of that picture, it clearly shows a " big chunk" of Kraton gouged out of their perfectly smooth pommel area.

You'd either have to own one or be blind not to see that. IMO, it may have been a 2nd, with that designation cut out? Kraton handles don't come like that. I have a few that are 20 years old and smooth as a baby's bottom.

To say that you think it's a dimple/ding from the manufacturing process, and "unremarkable" is a laugh.

I also agree that the buyer shouldn't have left negative feedback, if he was offered a refund and refused it - then left it to spite the buyer.

This looks like a real "pile-on" and probably 99% of posters don't even know what transpired between the buyer and seller after the fact of this sale.

I don't either, but that big hole should have been disclosed.

The feedback system is in place for a reason, love it or hate it, it's still in place.

You posters who may know or like the seller, or side with him because he's a gold member with lots of posts etc. are showing less class than the buyer who indeed took a "beating" on this sale - knowingly or unknowlingly (I prefer to believe unknowlingly).

The name calling - equating a member to feces etc. is a very poor show IMO. :thumbdn:
 
The feedback system is in place for a reason, love it or hate it, it's still in place.
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Don't forget, he didn't use the feedback system properly. THAT'S what started the negative attitude towards him. He didn't start with email, he posted in the sales thread. This is in FEEDBACK because I cut those post out of the sales thread and moved them here.
 
99% of posters don't even know what transpired between the buyer and seller after the fact of this sale.

I don't either, but that big hole should have been disclosed.
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Don't forget, he didn't use the feedback system properly. THAT'S what started the negative attitude towards him. He didn't start with email, he posted in the sales thread. This is in FEEDBACK because I cut those post out of the sales thread and moved them here.
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Well you are definitely that 1% who knows Esav Benyamin...:D
 
CZIV,
The majority of the posters in this thread are total strangers to me.
did you look at the link I posted?
Mike L stated in his post that because of this thread he was putting the OP on ignore - and he did so in his sale thread. He also posted in his sale thread that he would not sell to the OP -- who then gave Mike L negative feedback for not selling to him. Mike L then posted a thread in support asking if there was a way to fix this, because that's not fair/right.

I agree that I screwed up, because I didn't think of the blem/mark/whatever it is on the handle of the peacekeeper was worth noting, but I still should have mentioned it. I also don't own lots of CS knives - or knives with rubber/kraton handles because when I got the peacekeeper I figured that was normal.

I don't blame or hold any animosity towards any of the folks who have posted here that they won't buy from me because of my screw-up. I've also had a couple of folks send me PMs making suggestions for changing the description on other knives in my sale thread and I made the suggested changes.

As to gold vs basic, lots of posts vs. none, etc... -- I have a high post count because I participate in a forum with a lot of banter. Less than 5% of my posts have been in the exchange. The OP has less than 100 posts -- but almost all of them have been in the exchange. He's been on the forum for 2 years, I've been here for 5 months -- who cares?
This is my first - and possibly last - sale thread. 4 times I've offered to refund if the knife is returned in the shape I sent it out -- and have had no other contact from the buyer since his posts were moved out of my sale thread and into feedback here, so I don't know what else I can do to try and make things right.
 
1066vik

I aggreed that he should have contacted you, but since you're calling my username out - That is a major chunk out of the handle. I can see that even with his cellphone camera (or whatever camera).

You behaved like a "stand-up guy" from the beginning. You didn't know they weren't like that? Okay, that's your stance and I can believe that.

What irks me is when people pile on somebody who obviously got shafted and is as you say, a low poster or an unknown. It shouldn't matter, in fact he should be shown the way to handle stuff and some rookie "knee-jerk reactions," forgiven.

This guy got put through the wringer in this thread and it was awfully harsh. I believe that in my heart. His name = fail a couple times, nobody should sell to him, and called a turd. He probably feels really bad about it now. I know I would.

I was lurking here for years and finally ponyed up enough for a paid membership (which I'll be upgrading soon). 1st day, I get an infraction from Esav Benyamin for giving a guy a link to a better deal on a knife he was buying. I didn't like but I learned from it.

Hopefully ARAK will learn the correct way to handle things from this experience and you will keep on selling your knives if you want to. You had some nice knives for sale. I remember reading your thread.

Peace & I'm outta here... :)
 
he did not "obviously get shafted".

you cant believe 1066vik's statements and make this one at the same time.

feel free to sell to whomever you like, but i have no intention of selling to anyone who reacts this way. he made no attempt to contact anyone, yet has the nerve to start a thread attempting to discredit a seller. this thread, in and of itself, is far worse than anything that has been posted by anyone other than the op.

not to mention he left negative feedback for a member when there was no transaction at all.

nothing here indicates arak feel bad about anything. you can project whatever feelings you like, but ill stick with what i can read.
 
cziv said:
I was lurking here for years and finally ponyed up enough for a paid membership (which I'll be upgrading soon). 1st day, I get an infraction from Esav Benyamin for giving a guy a link to a better deal on a knife he was buying. I didn't like but I learned from it.
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Why would you try to harm a sale that the buyer is clearly happy with by posting a link which would kill the transaction?

It can hardly have been through ignorance, because you've stated that you lurked for years.

The buyer in this instance has acted with bad faith and malice aforethought, towards this and other sellers.

This explains the disdain in which he is held!
 
I do not own, nor have I ever owned, a knife with a rubber or Kraton handle, though I have handled a few knives that other people own that do have them. That said, if I were to buy one of these knives and have it arrive from the factory with the handle in that condition, I would have assumed it was a byproduct of the molding process too, so I certainly can't fault the seller for not having mentioned it. The buyer's behavior has been discussed ad nauseum, so I won't delve into that any further.

~Noah
 
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