Buyer BEWARE

cziv said:
1066vik

I aggreed that he should have contacted you, but since you're calling my username out - That is a major chunk out of the handle. I can see that even with his cellphone camera (or whatever camera).

You behaved like a "stand-up guy" from the beginning. You didn't know they weren't like that? Okay, that's your stance and I can believe that.

What irks me is when people pile on somebody who obviously got shafted and is as you say, a low poster or an unknown. It shouldn't matter, in fact he should be shown the way to handle stuff and some rookie "knee-jerk reactions," forgiven.

This guy got put through the wringer in this thread and it was awfully harsh. I believe that in my heart. His name = fail a couple times, nobody should sell to him, and called a turd. He probably feels really bad about it now. I know I would.

I was lurking here for years and finally ponyed up enough for a paid membership (which I'll be upgrading soon). 1st day, I get an infraction from Esav Benyamin for giving a guy a link to a better deal on a knife he was buying. I didn't like but I learned from it.

Hopefully ARAK will learn the correct way to handle things from this experience and you will keep on selling your knives if you want to. You had some nice knives for sale. I remember reading your thread.

Peace & I'm outta here... :)
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This slag has been here for two years. That's plenty of time to learn how to behave in any playpen.

ARAK has not shown that he understands any of that.

Friendly communities of honest people stay that way when they refuse to tolerate inexcusable behavior.

He most certainly has not been shafted, and had he behaved like an adult, he would be more likely to have a positive resolution to the matter at hand.
 
cziv said:
These remarks are "pure class."

Earlier I posted and agreed that he should have contacted the seller, put I own a beautiful, never used Peackeeper I and I don't care what you all think of that picture, it clearly shows a " big chunk" of Kraton gouged out of their perfectly smooth pommel area.

You'd either have to own one or be blind not to see that. IMO, it may have been a 2nd, with that designation cut out? Kraton handles don't come like that. I have a few that are 20 years old and smooth as a baby's bottom.

To say that you think it's a dimple/ding from the manufacturing process, and "unremarkable" is a laugh.

I also agree that the buyer shouldn't have left negative feedback, if he was offered a refund and refused it - then left it to spite the buyer.

This looks like a real "pile-on" and probably 99% of posters don't even know what transpired between the buyer and seller after the fact of this sale.

I don't either, but that big hole should have been disclosed.

The feedback system is in place for a reason, love it or hate it, it's still in place.

You posters who may know or like the seller, or side with him because he's a gold member with lots of posts etc. are showing less class than the buyer who indeed took a "beating" on this sale - knowingly or unknowlingly (I prefer to believe unknowlingly).

The name calling - equating a member to feces etc. is a very poor show IMO. :thumbdn:
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Your 110% off base with your assessment.

I do indeed personally know the seller, not only on the interweb but also in person and have been in the loop of this mess since the beginning.

I also worked in injection molding for over a decade and I also thought that the defect in question was a poorly finished gate. It happens.

The seller admitted his mistake immediately when made aware of it and offered the buyer a refund repeatedly. The buyer instead decided to trash his sale thread. Poor form to say the least.

Mix that with his other questionable behavior of late and I think he's getting just about exactly what he deserves minus the name calling which I personally think is over the top.
 
This threads weird.

Some of my Best Transactions here were from deals that didn't work out. The item wasn’t what I expected, I thought it was not as represented or it didn’t fit my hand etc. I requested a refund and in every instance the Seller was extremely courteous and promptly refunded my money upon receipt of the returned knife.

They set the example of how to participate in an online transaction and showed me the high standards that represent the members of BladeForums. I can only hope to emulate such professional and courteous behavior.


The Buyer in this case would have gotten a refund if he simply asked for it but for whatever reason he chose not to. Instead he burned his bridges- even then he was offered a refund but again chose not to. It seems he had extensive experience doing transactions here and didn’t learn anything.

The members here don’t blindly stick together based on post count or membership status but rather they stick together to uphold the high standards established by other members in an effort to maintain the high standards that is Bladeforums.

This place rocks and I’m proud to participate and humbled by the genuinely nice people that frequent the site.


Mitch
 
he did not "obviously get shafted".

you cant believe 1066vik's statements and make this one at the same time.
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You don't think that people can have opposing opinions and both believe that they're right?

Why would you try to harm a sale that the buyer is clearly happy with by posting a link which would kill the transaction?
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This was not a For Sale thread but a Gen Discuss thread where someone was shopping for a knife. No one had bought anything.

He most certainly has not been shafted,
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Your opinion not mine

Your 110% off base with your assessment.

I do indeed personally know the seller, not only on the interweb but also in person and have been in the loop of this mess since the beginning.

I also worked in injection molding for over a decade and I also thought that the defect in question was a poorly finished gate. It happens.
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I retired from one of the worlds largest rubber / polymer companies. I worked as a Banbury crew leader (made all the rubber & polymers from the raw elements) and an Inspector, almost 20 years in all. That has a chunk of polymer missing out of the handle any way you slice it. Never would have made it out of our factory.

This threads weird.

Some of my Best Transactions here were from deals that didn't work out. The item wasn’t what I expected, I thought it was not as represented or it didn’t fit my hand etc. I requested a refund and in every instance the Seller was extremely courteous and promptly refunded my money upon receipt of the returned knife.
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Yep, that's pretty weird alright. I agreed that the buyer was wrong to do what he did. I also said that the seller behaved properly. I only had at issue, the way the buyer was being ridiculed and that the chunk out of the handle is "normal."

This place rocks and I’m proud to participate and humbled by the genuinely nice people that frequent the site.
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I love this site too braillediver.
 
cziv said:
You don't think that people can have opposing opinions and both believe that they're right?



This was not a For Sale thread but a Gen Discuss thread where someone was shopping for a knife. No one had bought anything.



Your opinion not mine

Your 110% off base with your assessment.



I retired from one of the worlds largest rubber / polymer companies. I worked as a Banbury crew leader (made all the rubber & polymers from the raw elements) and an Inspector, almost 20 years in all. That has a chunk of polymer missing out of the handle any way you slice it. Never would have made it out of our factory.



Yep, that's pretty weird alright. I agreed that the buyer was wrong to do what he did. I also said that the seller behaved properly. I only had at issue, the way the buyer was being ridiculed an that the chunk out of the handle is "normal."



I love this site too braillediver.
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ok, then you explain how two opposing opinions can both be correct (with respect to this thread).

in any event, that's not what i was referring to. you say the buyer was shafted, but you believe the seller when he says he thought the handle was supposed to be that way, or was a common defect, whatever.

if the buyer was shafted, quite simply you are implying intent on behalf of the buyer to misrepresent the item. this is obviously not true.

so, you are clearly wrong in making the statement that the buyer was obviously shafted.
 
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cziv said:
I retired from one of the worlds largest rubber / polymer companies. I worked as a Banbury crew leader (made all the rubber & polymers from the raw elements) and an Inspector, almost 20 years in all. That has a chunk of polymer missing out of the handle any way you slice it. Never would have made it out of our factory.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.......

By chance, you don't happen to live in Gadsden Alabama and you are a Goodyear retiree ???? ;)
 
ok, then you explain how two opposing opinions can both be correct (with respect to this thread).

in any event, that's not what i was referring to. you say the buyer was shafted, but you believe the seller when he says he thought the handle was supposed to be that way, or was a common defect, whatever.

if the buyer was shafted, quite simply you are implying intent on behalf of the buyer to misrepresent the item. this is obviously not true.

so, you are clearly wrong in making the statement that the buyer was obviously shafted.
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Hard to get your mind around that isn't it MORIMOTOM. I probably worded it wrong. :)

Say you bought a good knife for example, and got one like that, then displayed the defect. The seller believes that they sold you a good knife and has dealt with you in good faith. That won't alter the fact that you got a defective knife with an undisclosed flaw.

By chance, you don't happen to live in Gadsden Alabama and you are a Goodyear retiree ????
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No, we're UAW and made rubber & polymer parts that supplied metal & plastic parts, molded to rubber/polymer, for the automotive industry and did the US Govt. contracts that made the rubber/polymer tank track for all of the big US tanks. Talk about sticklers for 100% quality! Our batches of rubbers/polymers, had to pass more tests than a person would go through at the Mayo Clinic, then the molding process would be another animal again, bonding the rubber/polymer to the steel which had to be properly inspected, pre-treated, molded and then inspected again before even being assembled. Then inspected again with giant torgue wrenches etc. Too much to explain!
 
cziv said:
Hard to get your mind around that isn't it MORIMOTOM. I probably worded it wrong. :)

Say you bought a good knife for example, and got one like that, then displayed the defect. The seller believes that they sold you a good knife and has dealt with you in good faith. That won't alter the fact that you got a defective knife with an undisclosed flaw.



No, we're UAW and made rubber & polymer parts that supplied metal & plastic parts, molded to rubber/polymer, for the automotive industry and did the US Govt. contracts that made the rubber/polymer tank track for all of the big US tanks. Talk about sticklers for 100% quality! Our batches of rubbers/polymers, had to pass more tests than a person would go through at the Mayo Clinic, then the molding process would be another animal again, bonding the rubber/polymer to the steel which had to be properly inspected, pre-treated, molded and then inspected again before even being assembled. Then inspected again with giant torgue wrenches etc. Too much to explain!
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that is the key here. if the seller acted in good faith, then the buyer did not get shafted.

there was a simple solution, and this thread was not it. all arak has done is convince a fairly large number of members never to sell to him.
 
cziv said:
I retired from one of the worlds largest rubber / polymer companies. I worked as a Banbury crew leader (made all the rubber & polymers from the raw elements) and an Inspector, almost 20 years in all. That has a chunk of polymer missing out of the handle any way you slice it. Never would have made it out of our factory.
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Very much depends on the method of degating the molding. Alot of mechanical degating systems "pull" the sprue away from the molding, sometimes or even often removing a "chunk" of the material from around the gate area. If the molding is given enough cooling time prior to degating this is minimized but a simple burp at the end of the fill cycle can cause a void at the gate causing pretty much exactly the defect shown in that picture.

Now, not making it out of the factory is a function of the QA department. Do they check every molding.... Cold Steel...I very highly doubt it.
 
Dang, Mike - saw your thread - sorry this guy is causing you problems because of your post here. That is way out of control.
good luck getting a happy resolution.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=727368
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I completely missed this post (brain lock or something)?

My apologies, I only try to make a case for, or defend someone who I believe has been "lynched" - but this guy, having read the quoted post and the linked thread is a person not to be dealt with.

ARAK is on his own, you guys are apparently right about him and I was wrong about him. Sorry for stirring the pot. ARAK = Trouble. :foot:
 
cziv said:
I completely missed this post (brain lock or something)?

My apologies, I only try to make a case for, or defend someone who I believe has been "lynched" - but this guy, having read the quoted post and the linked thread is a person not to be dealt with.

ARAK is on his own, you guys are apparently right about him and I was wrong about him. Sorry for stirring the pot. ARAK = Trouble. :foot:
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Like I said, you didn't learn enough...
 
Return knife Get Money back. :)


aj

p.s Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone can learn from them. Give others a chance to be better.
 
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