calling Cliff Stamp...

Chett,

In that post I can clearly see that the poster seems to regard Cliff Stamps words as some sort of law.
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It's not a fact, it's only your fixed idea. You don't know anything about me or any other forumite, who thinks Cliff Stamp sometimes can provide valuable information. You are generalising.

I wonder, if he told you that a water bottle works great for sharpening would you start trying to sharpen knives on a water bottle?
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Well, no. Surprised? So if Stamp says, an machete made from ATS-34 with a hollow grind isn't quite as good as the one from 5160, you still buy the first one just to antagonize the guy? Good luck with your purchase then.

Oh yeah, and also I don't really feel the need to get in a big argument over this, so I am just gonna stop replying to comments made about my posts in this thread.
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Then I wonder, why did you start stirring the pot? :jerkit:

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Never mind...
It's not like it hasn't been said before and saying it again won't make a difference.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
If this is toooo complicated for you, put ME on ignore. ( :rolleyes: <--- there I go again)
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Naa, someone with as many posts as you must have something good to say now and then. But remember, you could be put on that list at any time...:p
 
Redguy said:
Chett,



It's not a fact, it's only your fixed idea. You don't know anything about me or any other forumite, who thinks Cliff Stamp sometimes can provide valuable information. You are generalising.



Well, no. Surprised? So if Stamp says, an machete made from ATS-34 with a hollow grind isn't quite as good as the one from 5160, you still buy the first one just to antagonize the guy? Good luck with your purchase then.



Then I wonder, why did you start stirring the pot? :jerkit:

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wow umm i was gonna ignore your post but im sort of bored so lets see here:

1. i like your (feeble) attempt at insulting me by telling me i have factophobia or something lame and dumb that you made up

2. as i said, i find the fact that a good deal of people listen to his word as law, funny

and your smileys dont really impress me either, to be honest

:jerkit: :jerkit: :barf: :barf: :barf: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Getting back to the topic not at hand, I would say, yes read his reviews but make your own mind up about what has been said.

Respectfully, I do enjoy reading his reviews. However, the scientific testing to me, is not conducted in a manner that I would say is very conclusive about a result.

Just as helmet splitting, knife testing, free rope cutting, tameshigiri depends a lot upon technique and method of the human behind it - I believe this is also the case with some of the tests conducted by all of us.

So I would suggest people do their own research and make up their mind on a knife they want to purchase etc, how to sharpen knives and how steels perform.

Cliffs Reviews might be a good starting point, but we dont have a standardised accepted testing methodology for most of these things, so it is not the sine qua non of good vs bad. And that is an important distinction.

If he breaks a knife batoning, well maybe the steel or design really is bad. Or maybe he got a dud, or maybe he batoned with a bad technique (incidentally, one can break almost all knives doing this). Its not the end of the world.

I'll apologise in advance should I offend anyone with my opinion above.
 
I happen to enjoy reading Cliffs posts. Even though the largest part of the tests are in regard to gear that I have no interest in, the testings of various edge geometry and metallurgies is very informative. After reading and rereading this entire thread, I can see some severe issues with jealousy and ego clashes being played out. Very childish. I've said on forums before, and it still applies, if you don't like what's being posted, and/or don't like a particular poster, then ignore them, nobody's forcing anyone to read anything that's being said. Mr. Stamp, keep up the good work, other guys keep on doing whatever you wish to do, and stop being self aggrandizing. You're all just ONE opinion each, just as I am. Using up Knifeforum bandwidth for a pissing contest is senseless. :barf:
 
Wow Cliff.

You sure do cause trouble ;)

We should have solid ZDP Delica's in a couple of weeks. I'll shoot one out to you. I'm curious as to your "opinion" on the solid compared to the laminate.

I promise not to think of it as gospel.

sal
 
I find it disturbing and shamefull that some forumites believe that anyone who likes Cliff's reviews are somehow hollow-headed, unable to make decisions for themselves, and take his word as gospel. That type of rhetoric insults the intelligence of many of us members.

I believe that an intelligent human being takes his or her knowledge from a variety of sources before making a buying decision. Cliff happens to be one of those sources. yes, we may not always agree with his testing metods or his recommendations but does that give anyone the right to verbally beat the snot out of the guy.

There is an old debating expression : "If you are unable to attack the a persons ideas, then attack the man."

I should think that all of us should be mature enough to act like men.
 
Sal Glesser said:
Wow Cliff.

You sure do cause trouble ;)

We should have solid ZDP Delica's in a couple of weeks. I'll shoot one out to you. I'm curious as to your "opinion" on the solid compared to the laminate.

I promise not to think of it as gospel.

sal
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*plots all the trouble he will cause in an effort to get a ZDP Horn and P'kal*

now where did I put that saltpeter...
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I also appreciate Cliff’s work. He has done a lot of stuff that I will probably never do, and specifically does a lot of work with high-end steel, which is usually hard to get and just as hard to find opinions on. I think he adds a lot of value to the forums, and look forward to his next review.
 
Wow Cliff.

You sure do cause trouble

We should have solid ZDP Delica's in a couple of weeks. I'll shoot one out to you. I'm curious as to your "opinion" on the solid compared to the laminate.

I promise not to think of it as gospel.

sal
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The very fact that Sal himself is interested in Cliff's opinions speaks volumes.

When Sal, Joe, Buzz, or Cliff speak, I listen.
I don't always agree, but I definitely listen.

Personally, I like to hear the opinions of others, even if those opinions are biased.

Allen.
 
Cliff Stamp said:
3) Spyderco Paramilitary :

Spyderco has a lot of nice offerings in this range, the Endura 4G, D'Allara, etc., however the Paramilitary is the one I would reach for most often.....
-Cliff
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Uh, oh. Cliff and I agree on something. Watch out everybody. Nostradamus prophesied that this would happen in the end times...... :eek:
 
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Joshua J. said&#8230;

He has done a lot of stuff that I will probably never do, and specifically does a lot of work with high-end steel, which
is usually hard to get
Yes he does. That in my opinion is one of the faults with a lot of his opinions on knives he compares everything to knives that are impossible for most people to get. Just take a look at his list in this thread. Sure 1 the Para Mil can be gotten, but try and find a Calypso zdp, or one of Alvin&#8217;s. Even Phill&#8217;s knives aren&#8217;t ones that a lot of people will see.
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allenC said&#8230;
Personally, I like to hear the opinions of others, even if those opinions are biased.

I do also and couldn&#8217;t have said it better. Also Sal is a very wise business man and was smart to get Cliff a few knives. I remember a few years ago Cliff wasn&#8217;t very impressed with the calypso at all. Now look it&#8217;s on his top 5 list.
 
Originally posted by db

...try and find a Calypso zdp, or one of Alvin’s. Even Phill’s knives aren’t ones that a lot of people will see.
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And the more people know about these knives the more they will (hopefully) want and buy them. Making them more popular, thus more available for people like you and me.
 
The Spyderco ZDP-189 Calypso was not real hard to get till all the fanfare started. Started with MSG (Ret) Kim Breed doing a favorable review on the WH Titan in ZDP-189. Was kept in check some as the WH Titan is $350. Then Spyderco came along and offered a sprint run of their popular Calypso Jr. model for around $65 or so. All the people interested in trying the new steel promptly got one and began to sing it's praises. Next thing you know ZDP-189 Calypso Jr's were $250+ on Ebay.

And all that above babble goes to show is sometimes get a knife that you want to get, not one based off other people's opinions. If you absolutely have to check with Cliff before you buy a certain knife, then it's not Cliff's testing methods that have a problem.

I'm actually a little envious of Cliff. I would like to have the funds & time to take knives and test them till destruction.
 
I believe that I bother to listen to all opinions on our knives. that's how we are able to improve them. Forumites offer a broad and intelligent format from interested passionate ELUs.

There are quite a few people on this forum that I respect and listen to.

I still do my own thinking, testing and decision making, as all of you do in the end anyway.

sal
 
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