Can China made produce a good blade?

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GronK said:
I've never experienced an A bomb either and I'm pretty doggone sure I wouldn't like it. It's not necessary to experience something to know it's not for you.
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An open-minded attitude if ever I've heard one. But hey, you're entitled to yours. I'm just glad I don't have to share it with you.
 
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GronK said:
I've never experienced an A bomb either and I'm pretty doggone sure I wouldn't like it. It's not necessary to experience something to know it's not for you.
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Wow, I've seen Chinese knives equated with global holocaust and poisoned pet food. The fail in logic is strong here. :o
 
Yep. The Force is weak with this one. ;)

So look everybody, let's try and play nice at least until Thursday when Haze shows up with pictures of my wee darlings. I'm all a'twitter with anticipation. Thanks! :)
 
bld522 said:
That's your decision, of course. But it doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the knives. Quality along with cost are what matter most to me. YMMV.
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YMMV? Certainly you wrote that as snark? You don't allow a variance from your narrow minded view on this topic.

Cost is not the driver in a great many knife purchases. For instance, in this thread we had someone proudly showing off one of their PRC made blades with an entirely ripped off Emerson Wave feature ground into it.

Lots of people with this actual thing called "ethics" reject such blatant disregard for patent law and intellectual property protections. Honest companies license design elements they didn't come up with. PRC run companies just steal them.

And that is really where YMMV lay. Most people, such as yourself, are driven only by a bottom line calculus, a rather base impulse I must say. Other people demand more than, "What does it cost? That's all that matters to me." More importantly, they will pay more in order to preserve their self-respect. Can't have that when you are a fan of bottom line copycatting.

What we then get treated to is not your respect for a different take on the topic. We get a spectacle of condescension that is only made possible by your attempting to severely restrict the topic to "the quality of the knives," as if they are born of, and exist solely in a factual and moral vacuum.

So, instead of throwing a casual YMMV out there, because to your repeatedly stated view, people not seeing it your way don't actually have a valid opinion, instead declare you know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. At least then you'd be dealing honestly in these threads.
 
No. I wasn't being snarky. I was being sincere.

I'm only in it for the knives. And I'm a value hunter. I search for quality first and then for cost. Everything else comes after that in descending order of importance. And right at the bottom of my list of considerations is Country of Manufacture. YMMV . . . seriously.

Hope that helps! :)
 
bld522 said:
Yep. The Force is weak with this one. ;)

So look everybody, let's try and play nice at least until Thursday when Haze shows up with pictures of my wee darlings. I'm all a'twitter with anticipation. Thanks! :)
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You should be posting less words and more pictures of your well used knives, I think.....
 
I'll see if I can get around to that. In the meantime, there are plenty of pictures for you to admire in the Kizer forum. Do feel free to drop by for a look. :)
 
No, that's not what I asked for...

bld522 said:
I'll see if I can get around to that. In the meantime, there are plenty of pictures for you to admire in the Kizer forum. Do feel free to drop by for a look.
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I don't care. Man up and visit the Kizer and Reate forums if you dare. But take heed. They talk about knives in those forums. Might not be suitable for some folks.
 
Haze said:
Are you joking ? You bought a few knives and now your king of the thing, are you. :D One of my best mates here has a huge knife shop, I have played with all the "high end" Chinese knives. I'll be there on Thursday, want some pictures of your wee darlings ? They don't sell too well over here for some reason so they will still be there. :)...
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What Reates or Kizers have you personally handled? Please be specific.

In the meantime, to inaugurate a return to the actual topic of Chinese-made knives, here are some photos:

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(Bottom knife in above photo is a Chuck Gedraitis flipper.)

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Those are some sexy knives! I do wish, for the price they're getting to, that Kizer would start to use steel lockbar inserts. I'm kinda sold on the notion of steel on steel lockup whenever it can be provided.

That second Kizer from the top can be found for less than $70 too...
 
bld522 said:
No. I wasn't being snarky. I was being sincere.

I'm only in it for the knives. And I'm a value hunter. I search for quality first and then for cost. Everything else comes after that in descending order of importance. And right at the bottom of my list of considerations is Country of Manufacture. YMMV . . . seriously.

Hope that helps! :)
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Yeah, I don't think I could ever take you seriously. I can readily understand your having a different list of criterion for buying knives. It's your money.

I do know that I don't want to ever understand your insatiable need to be dismissive and intentionally abrasive about other posters who hold a different set of totally valid priorities when it comes to spending their money.

As near as I can tell, you've bought some Kizer or Reate knives and now have this unholy compulsion to defend your purchases when many knife enthusiasts here won't ever be convinced that they're "missing out" because they have different knife purchasing checkboxes to tick off than you do.

YMMV, but you don't really buy that anyone can validly think differently than you do on this topic, so quit bothering with the false sincerity.
 
Hackenslash said:
Those are some sexy knives! I do wish, for the price they're getting to, that Kizer would start to use steel lockbar inserts. I'm kinda sold on the notion of steel on steel lockup whenever it can be provided.
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Most of their upcoming models will have steel lockbar inserts (as well as ceramic bearings, which they all ready do now on some models): http://kizerknives.com/a/product/shadow/
 
So the prevarication starts. I don't see why you would avoid posting pics of these superb users of yours ? I'm actually a little surprised you haven't already given how you've been strong arming this thread.....

bld522 said:
I don't care. Man up and visit the Kizer and Reate forums if you dare. But take heed. They talk about knives in those forums. Might not be suitable for some folks.
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Boats said:
I do know that I don't want to ever understand your insatiable need to be dismissive and intentionally abrasive about other posters who hold a different set of totally valid priorities when it comes to spending their money.
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This is a knife discussion forum. When I'm here, I'm here to discuss knives. Those who aren't here to discuss knives don't belong here. If you consider that abrasive or that I'm being insincere in some fashion, there's not much I can do about it. And in the final analysis, what you think of me is none of my business anyway. So you have a nice day. And if you decide to stick around here, please try to talk about knives when you're in the General Knife Discussion forum . . . if you can.
 
Before this heats up....remember to stay on topic and not turn the discussion towards each other. This will be the only warning as this gets repeated ad nauseam so we will go right to points. Carry on with civility please. :)

* this is a general statement and not directed at any specific poster.
 
Well, in the spirit of full disclosure, I find you amusing.

"Knives" can be a vast topic with myriad dimensions. The materials used, the design elements, edge geometries, the makers, the factories, the cost versus performance, and unfortunately for you, the ethics of design and manufacture, the values presented and what those values are, and their respect for intellectual property rights in an internationally validated framework of patent and trademark law.

"General" knife discussion can, and does, cover a lot of ground. If you want to discuss the merits of Kizer or Reate, specifically and upon only criteria you find acceptable, there are narrower topical sub fora for that.
 
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