Can China made produce a good blade?

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The folks in China can make a good anything.
They can also make cheap garbagey crap.

As always, it's up to the customer to be choosey so they get what they want. :)
 
Yep. Same can be said of folks that make things right here in the good ol' US of A. That's why there's just no substitute for doing your own homework.
 
stabman said:
The folks in China can make a good anything.
They can also make cheap garbagey crap.

As always, it's up to the customer to be choosey so they get what they want. :)
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Exactly. Cold Steel exists by this whole premise and some seem to love them :D Same with people who like computers, smart phones, bridges...
 
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Those are some sexy knives! I do wish, for the price they're getting to, that Kizer would start to use steel lockbar inserts. I'm kinda sold on the notion of steel on steel lockup whenever it can be provided.

That second Kizer from the top can be found for less than $70 too...
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Its also a knock off of the Lionsteel Ti spine design. Which is the main issue people around here have with Chinese made knives. I actually wish I hadn't seen that because Kizer makes some cool designs that I was set to try out, but I can't support a company that would make something like that one, no matter how great their other knives are.
 
Haze said:
I'm past bored of waiting for you to actually post anything of substance, don't bother. Your position clear as day now.....
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Can you stop derailing the thread with demands that bld522 produce pictures of knives at your whim?
 
EricV said:
Its also a knock off of the Lionsteel Ti spine design. Which is the main issue people around here have with Chinese made knives. I actually wish I hadn't seen that because Kizer makes some cool designs that I was set to try out, but I can't support a company that would make something like that one, no matter how great their other knives are.
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But. . .but. . .but. . .none of that intellectual dishonesty is supposed to matter!!!!
 
EricV said:
Its also a knock off of the Lionsteel Ti spine design. Which is the main issue people around here have with Chinese made knives. I actually wish I hadn't seen that because Kizer makes some cool designs that I was set to try out, but I can't support a company that would make something like that one, no matter how great their other knives are.
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I've owned both (sold by TiSpine) and they're hardly alike, apart from the fact that the handle machining has a vaguely similar striated pattern.

Edit: so are both the TiSpine and Kizer Sunburst knockoffs of the Wilson Combat Starbenza, then?
 
Its not even that close now that I look up pictures of the Ti spine, but close enough that its what I thought of right away. Others can do as they please, and I think we all know Chinese companies can product a well made knife if they want to. The moral aspect is about all that matters IMO.
 
brancron said:
Can you stop derailing the thread with demands that bld522 produce pictures of knives at your whim?
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It's OK, really. I can take it. And when I'm good and ready, I'll post pics . . . or not. That's my choice. :)
 
All I can bring to the party for pictures is what's in my pocket today.
 
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I love American made blades, but I've had some really good stuff from China if you can get past the steel that is being used. I've mentioned this before but I recently picked up a grail knife and had countless issues with it. However, the "lower end" 35 dollar Kershaw model trumped the 400 dollar model in every department except the choice of steel and of course the famous name on the blade.
Also picked up a Meyerco Kirby Lambert Shockwave and boy that thing was dang near flawless too. She only cost me 22 bucks from knifecenter. So really it just depends on manufacturing philosophies.
 
brancron said:
I've owned both (sold by TiSpine) and they're hardly alike, apart from the fact that the handle machining has a vaguely similar striated pattern.

Edit: so are both the TiSpine and Kizer Sunburst knockoffs of the Wilson Combat Starbenza, then?
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And my response is to this kind of argument is always the same. If it doesn't bother the company whose design is presumably being ripped off, it doesn't bother me.
 
Oh, dear.... and after all the shouting you did about your vast "hands on experience" too. I think we know where this has gone....

bld522 said:
It's OK, really. I can take it. And when I'm good and ready, I'll post pics . . . or not. That's my choice. :)
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I think the company behind it means a lot.
Spyderco has some Chinese production done for them.
They tested the steel though, and found out that it wasn't what it was originally said to be.
So, they got it properly labelled, so the customer knows what they're getting...and the Chinese manufacturer knows that quality control will be checked.

And by buying that Chinese produced knife, you help fuel an American company, whose profits enable them to build a bigger manufacturing center of their own, to hire more Americans. :)
 
bld522 said:
And my response is to this kind of argument is always the same. If it doesn't bother the company whose design is presumably being ripped off, it doesn't bother me.
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Lol. Going after a PRC company in an IP suit in a PRC court for violating a U.S. patent is like seeking out a Taliban tribunal to decide a religious discrimination suit filed under American law.

These PRC companies may want to reconsider putting in a service center footprint on American soil if they are also planning to continue to rip off or colorably knock off everyone else in the knife industry here.

Lynn Thompson lurks.
 
We need to stay on topic. China is not on trial here, otherwise I can go on my soap box as well regarding moral, and political reasons to when you can, purchase non China products.

Looking at my collection, I own ONE China knife right now, a Tenacious. I'm eyeing a Ti Byrd CaraCara. The rest of my budget blades are from Taiwan at this time. No high end Chinese, not really interested though I have raised several eyebrows looking at pics and feedback. My purchase history in a way shows what my actual position is.

We can't be ignorant to things and it is best to know our "enemies" well. I went to Shanghai and HK the past five years and was looking around in awe at how advanced these cities were. Skyscrapers and all. A far cry from the stereotypical American impression of rice villages full of people with funny hats (sure they still have those). Point is, it is dangerous for us, our companies, and our government to not TRY to understand them. This acting like they are incapable is a SERIOUS miscalculation.
 
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Boats said:
Lol. Going after a PRC company in an IP suit in a PRC court for violating a U.S. patent is like seeking out a Taliban tribunal to decide a religious discrimination suit filed under American law.

These PRC companies may want to reconsider putting in a service center footprint on American soil if they are also planning to continue to rip off or colorably knock off everyone else in the knife industry here.

Lynn Thompson lurks.
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Go get 'em, SuperLynn. ;) :D

Some people look for problems. I look for knives. :)
 
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