"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

Those are cool and interesting facts Rick.
here's another one.
The expression "shake a leg" originated in the Royal Navy sailing ships back in the days of rum,sodomy and the lash.Well the 16 & 1700s at least.
The crew were allowed to have women and wives on board -not officially of course but it was common practice if the captain gave the nod.
When on watch or at work times sailors were not allowed below decks -penalty- flogging.
The Bosun would patrol the lower decks to check for malingerers(of whom there would be many) Women of course were not allowed to be seen.
So if the Bosun came upon a hammock with someone hiding or pretending be asleep in it he would say "shake a leg!" perhaps adding a "ye scurvy swab" for effect.
The person in question would stick out their leg from under the nice comfy louse infested blanket. If it was a female leg all was well. If it was the leg of a sailor the marines would be summoned and the offender would have his back laid open by the Cat O Nine Tails (a nasty whippy thing).
The floggings took place up on deck because if you've ever visited one of these ships eg The HMS Victory at Portsmouth you would have remarked how little headroom there is in the gun decks.
Hence the saying "not enough room to swing a cat" nothing to do with animal cruelty-although these people were treated like animals.
The marines I mentioned were soldiers at sea taken on board primarily to protect the ship from the rebellious rumblings of the mutinous crew who were mostly pressed men and many of them Irish.

Another one for the many of you who dislike brass:( -the brass monkey is the rack that the cannon balls were stacked on ready for action.) When the ship approached the high or low latitudes the temperature would drop. Brass and iron contract and expand at different temps. This would cause the balls to tumble off the monkey. But only if it's "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey"
-nothing to do with apes testicles though.
cheers.

Oh yeah and there 's another old saying which I think originated around near where I live probably last century(I love saying that)
"When the knife costs less than the postage price, Meako says words that are not very nice"
Not sure of the origins of that one -they are lost in the mists of time and Mt Keira.
 
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Another one for the many of you who dislike brass:( -the brass monkey is the rack that the cannon balls were stacked on ready for action.) When the ship approached the high or low latitudes the temperature would drop. Brass and iron contract and expand at different temps. This would cause the balls to tumble off the monkey. But only if it's "cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey"
-nothing to do with apes testicles though.

I'm afraid, my friend, that this explanation has been roundly debunked as the revisionist gentrification of a somewhat coarse expression in popular English use. From what I understand, cannon balls on ships were stacked in straw baskets, not on brass plates on the deck, where it might reasonably be supposed they would roll around whenever the ship moved.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_monkey_(colloquialism)
 
On crossings from Europe to the Americas back in the day, the richer upper classes would buy tickets on the ocean liners with cabins on the southern facing sides of the vessel where the sun was. These return tickets were known as Port Out Starboard Home - hence the expression 'posh'.
 
On crossings from Europe to the Americas back in the day, the richer upper classes would buy tickets on the ocean liners with cabins on the southern facing sides of the vessel where the sun was. These return tickets were known as Port Out Starboard Home - hence the expression 'posh'.

I'm sorry Paul, I know we're always told this, but I've also seen that one debunked. It's a nice tale, but apparently without any historical basis (see for example: http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2012/02/what-is-the-origin-of-posh/) :)
 
I hear you Christian. I've got a few stag/brass knives, some of them very nice old Pumas, that
have developed verdigris over the years. I guess that's expected but it still discolored some very nice stag.

I don't mind the smell so much, but I don't walk around sniffing my bolsters either.

I love this line.
I can hear it now.
"Hey Ted! Long time no see. What you been up to?"
"Nothing much. Just walkin' around smelling the bolsters."
or
"Dude! Wake up and smell the bolsters!"
 
I turned gold! Don't know what happened there but I showed up in gold. I am on BFC multiple times each day and don't always pay attention to everything but the knives. I just noticed someone turned me gold! That's the kind of thing that makes this place the best place to spend online time. Thanks whoever turned me gold.

Chris
 
I love this line.
I can hear it now.
"Hey Ted! Long time no see. What you been up to?"
"Nothing much. Just walkin' around smelling the bolsters."
or
"Dude! Wake up and smell the bolsters!"

I recall a cartoon showing two large dogs and a small one.

The caption ran, “Junior! Where are your manners? Go over there and sniff Mrs. Jones’ butt.”
 
Rum with the sense of odd (“It’s a rum business.” “Life’s a rum start.”) has nothing to do with the liquor. It comes from Rom, a shortening of Romany. The Romany are what we call Gypsies.

The word rum entered thieves cant in the sixteenth century when the Romany came to England and associated with native vagabonds, thieves, tinkers and con men.

The Rom had their ancient culture and customs. Many of which seemed odd even to the British canting crew.
 
If that's case JB I would dearly love to meet the man who came up with the idea of freezing the balls off a brass monkey and possibly ask him what the hell he was on at the time.:D
 
"Dude! Wake up and smell the bolsters!"

:D

Lol, I've always presumed it to be true. How disappointing.

Yes, me too, I taught English in France years ago, and even remember telling my students about it! :D

I turned gold! Don't know what happened there but I showed up in gold. I am on BFC multiple times each day and don't always pay attention to everything but the knives. I just noticed someone turned me gold! That's the kind of thing that makes this place the best place to spend online time. Thanks whoever turned me gold.

Congratulations :thumbup:

If that's case JB I would dearly love to meet the man who came up with the idea of freezing the balls off a brass monkey and possibly ask him what the hell he was on at the time.:D

Gaaah,what's the use anymore? all my myths have been debunked.
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WARNING-Brasso is not for human consumption.

That is brilliant mate, I'm going to have to save that one! :D :thumbup:

Hey, I just noticed you get the big bottles there! :D

Some of these urban myths are really imaginative stories, and it does seem to be common to pretty-up old earthy expressions. I had a book about historical nautical slang, and according to that, it is surprising how many of these sayings started aship. Very interesting subject I think :)
 
I dug out t'flat cap just for you mate.It is my dads but has resided in the costume box for many years now.I was trying not laugh while taking that pic- :D
Interestingly one of Sydney s oldest pubs The Lord Nelson has a brew called brass monkey stout.Not to be confused with Brasso.
 
It suits you mate, all you need is a donkey jacket with 'NCB' (National Coal Board) on the back and some 'pit boyts', and you'd be in my national costume! :D :thumbup:
 
Dad had a donkey jacket but that is long gone.He is still with us by the way.its just my mum gives away his stuff that she says he no longer needs.
 
Dad had a donkey jacket but that is long gone.He is still with us by the way.its just my mum gives away his stuff that she says he no longer needs.

They need regular feeds of oil and coal-dust ;)

That IS a mum/wife thing! :D

Does your dad still have his Notts accent?
 
He sure does Jack and that's after a mere 43 years although it's hard to tell because Mum does the talking for both of them mostly. :D
 
He sure does Jack and that's after a mere 43 years although it's hard to tell because Mum does the talking for both of them mostly. :D

LOL! It's incredible how some people never lose their accents. I have a friend, originally from Essex, whose lived in Leeds for twenty years, and still has the broadest Essex accent, complete with all the related dialect and vernacular. His kids, born in Leeds, find it very wierd. My mother, on the other hand, only has to have a shortbread biscuit and she develops a Scottish accent! :D
 
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