"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

BigBiscuit said:
Get well soon Randy. You know I'm praying for you buddy.

I had the same issues every time I was hospitalized. I just turned off the wifi and hoped for a decent signal. There are signs when entering the hospital sayin "No weapons allowed". Now this last stay, none of my family members brought me a knife, but they often do. None of the nurses or Dr.'s have seemed to be bothered. Perhaps because they were always small traditional pocket knives. During this last stay, my buddy came to visit and like me, I know he often carries a handgun. I asked him if he was carrying. Yep, sure enough. Like he said, what can they legally do if you're licensed. I understand government buildings and such, but I'm not sure about places like hospitals. I've tried to read up on it, but never found anything that addresses the issue specifically. I understand employees of the hospital being restricted because of some of the patients they deal with. I wonder if anyone here knows the real answer especially regarding knives and or websites regarding knives.
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Some good questions and the answers can vary somewhat from state to state, or from person to person, depending on how one interprets the laws surrounding such things. I will do my best to provide some clarity regarding it.
  1. You can't be charged with a crime and/or violation by simply looking at a website that has weapons content. Unless of course, said website has other illegal content such as child pornography, then that becomes a whole different story. On the flip side of that coin, if it is against the establishment's policies to view weapons content online, they can ask you to leave as it violates "their policies" (no laws, mind you). If you refuse to leave, then you can get charged with trespassing.
  2. If you are legally able to own a knife and/or gun and have the license to carry said gun legally, you can carry it pretty much anywhere as long as a specific law doesn't prevent you from otherwise doing so. Federal buildings is a good example. State, county, and municipal buildings vary depending on local and state law/ordinances. Some states and cities allow for weapons to be carried into their buildings, others don't.
  3. If you are legally able to carry a weapon and you end up carrying it into a "private" establishment that has "no weapons allowed" notices, you are not breaking any laws until they ask you to leave and you refuse to do so. At that point, it has nothing to do with your weapon, but everything to do with trespassing. If you are carrying concealed, there is not a reason in the world that anyone should know you are carrying, yet it happens all the time...
I carry everywhere and though I usually avoid establishments that have posted signs, sometimes it is inevitable. If for whatever reason someone were to notice me carrying a knife or a gun, they can ask me to leave and I will do so immediately. The weapon is far safer on me than it is if I have to leave it in my truck.

The caveat to all of this is that it can vary. How things are done here in Oregon can be wildly different than how things are done in New York or Maryland. When I worked in law enforcement, there were two things I could reasonable expect people to have, guns and dogs. In a state with stricter laws, there may be no such expectations so therefore anyone in possession of such items would be viewed with a lot more wariness. Not sure if that helps you any. I forgot to mention that VA hospitals very well might operate under a whole different set of rules which might make everything I just stated null...
 
Padruig; that's all essentially how I interpret it too. I just wasn't sure if I was missing something obvious.
 
Wisconsin allows private owners to prohibit weapons carried by their guests by posting at all entrances. But if you do prohibit and your guest is injured in a way that could have reasonably been prevented by carrying said weapon then you may be held responsible along with the perp.
 
BigBiscuit said:
Get well soon Randy. You know I'm praying for you buddy.

I had the same issues every time I was hospitalized. I just turned off the wifi and hoped for a decent signal. There are signs when entering the hospital sayin "No weapons allowed". Now this last stay, none of my family members brought me a knife, but they often do. None of the nurses or Dr.'s have seemed to be bothered. Perhaps because they were always small traditional pocket knives. During this last stay, my buddy came to visit and like me, I know he often carries a handgun. I asked him if he was carrying. Yep, sure enough. Like he said, what can they legally do if you're licensed. I understand government buildings and such, but I'm not sure about places like hospitals. I've tried to read up on it, but never found anything that addresses the issue specifically. I understand employees of the hospital being restricted because of some of the patients they deal with. I wonder if anyone here knows the real answer especially regarding knives and or websites regarding knives.
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In NC they can charge you with a misdemeanor for carrying in a "gun free " establishment and take your carry permit
 
If you hang around any hospital long enough you will meet the people who are the reason for not allowing weapons in. Start near the no smoking sign in the carpark where everyone goes for a smoke.
The security office st Wollongong Hosp has a huge collection of edged weapons that have been confiscsted grom 'agitated' visitors over the years. Hosspullzgotdrugs.
As for the internet.My wife is an ICU nurse and found they had problems filtering out the number of porn site hits when searching for specific info on parts of the human anatomy. Not sure why they dont have a intranet with the appropriate type of pictures but there y go.
 
It is just a common thing now in corporate environments, which includes hospitals. They want to avoid risk, controversy, and any potential for bad publicity or lawsuits. So it will be someone's job to "manage Internet access" and that person or group will come up with how and what to limit, which is then reviewed by risk assessors and lawyers. And most of them will buy a security appliance or subscribe to a filtering service that has checkboxes of what type of thing should be blocked, and they check off the boxes. There is usually one for "weapons." It depends on who the block-list provider is and how they choose to categorize web sites as to what gets included in the various categories.

Most companies tend to over-block, because from their perspective, they really don't have a business interest in letting employees access anything other than work-related sites. Unless they go to great efforts to create a separate block list for "guest" networks, usually customers get the same block list that employees do. Plus, they have to pay for their bandwidth, so having patients surfing the Internet isn't really a high priority for them. Unlike hotels, where the quality of the amenities is a competitive factor. Nobody chooses a hospital because of the free wi-fi.
 
r redden said:
Hey guy's sorry to have bugged out for while. Had some complications with my surgery and just haven't felt like even posting. Things are doing much better now and hopefully will get to go home tomorrow.
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Randy! :thumbsup::D
Thanks for stopping by with an update! It's an answer to prayer. :cool:
Sorry to hear that even a youngster like you can get hit with surgical complications, but it's fantastic that things are looking up now! Sure hope you get to go home soon! :thumbsup:
Do what you're supposed to do, rehab-wise, and get healthy again ASAP, OK? ;)

- GT
 
r redden said:
Hey guy's sorry to have bugged out for while. Had some complications with my surgery and just haven't felt like even posting. Things are doing much better now and hopefully will get to go home tomorrow.
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Good show. Glad to hear it.
 
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