"Carl's Lounge" (Off-Topic Discussion, Traditional Knife "Tales & Vignettes")

[Will Power]

If you insist.


~ P.

Once again my cover blown/privacy compromised by my speech defect which caries on to to to writing

 

[Jack Black]

@waynorth
Jack Black
Mentioning these two because of another thread where "Gary" came up.

OK, just to lighten things up. My name, Gary, would have not been my choice but like many things in life it was given to me and I wear it proudly. I just found this in "Urban Dictionary", , along with some stuff maybe best not posted here. I feel better now!

Ok, on with my tale. I was born in 1950 in Lorain, Ohio. My parents were transplants from Pittsburgh and my dad took a job as an EE at the Cadillac Tank Plant in Lorain. They moved into a new neighborhood expecting their first child, me. They had already chosen the name David, if I was a boy, which I am. Now, there was a family next door that had a young son named David. My mom tells me he was the "Dennis the Menace" of the neighborhood. They couldn't name me David because of this prepubescent delinquent. So it was Gary...

7 years later "David the Menace" was forgotten and my baby brother was born. He got David. I'm still mad at him for that. Well not really, but it makes an interesting story at family gatherings. I'm sure I've told it more times then any of them cares to hear.

Carry on and maybe we can leave this whole name thing as "Use your best judgement". Over and out.

Thanks for the story Gary When my uncle was born, my grandparents were struggling to think of a name for him. My grandfather mentioned this to the doctor who had delivered him, and mooted the idea that they might name the baby after him. The doctor said he didn't advise it, as he was called Claude Oswald (no offence intended to any Claude Oswald's here!)

You should change your name to "First David".

I once knew a family who had two kids called Dave! There were about six kids in the family, the eldest of whom was called Dave, and when the youngest was born about 15 years later, they decided they liked the name so much that they called him Dave too! They were known as 'Big Dave' and 'Little Dave'!

 

[r redden]

I haven't been in the lounge since Friday and looks like I missed a lot of "name calling". I am guilty of posting folks names on here when I know them. I never thought of it as a way for hackers or others to compromise critical information. I only thought of it as a way to be more friendly with the folks I interact with on here. Between the forum name I use "r redden" and my signature "Randy" it should be fairly easy to figure out my name is Randy Redden. It does not concern me in the least even though may be it should find it very hard to believe folks with criminal intentions are seeking out knife forums to find members whose first or even last names that have been posted to put the pieces together with bits of information they may have gleaned else where so they can possibly mount a cyber attack. Out of respect for our members that are concerned with such things I will try with everything in me to refrain from "name calling" in my future post.

 

[pertinux]

The humor in that becomes more obvious if you realize that I actually do wear both a belt and suspenders.

Had we any doubt.



When drawn into this discussion, I thought we were going to be reminding and encouraging a common understanding of internet etiquette. Imagine my surprise.

I will say again, when it comes to me this is now all water under the bridge, down the river, through the bay and out into the ocean. But beyond more objective principle (on which we as a whole seem to disagree), I'll add the following-- possibly to my regret.

9:42pm-- Yes, to my regret, so now edited:

Whatever my reason(s), it's really as simple as what has already been presented: I prefer to not be addressed publicly by a name I do not use here, and extend that same courtesy to others, along these lines:

For my part I'll play it safe and only use the names of members that they provide themselves.

I think this is probably the best way to approach the issue. If a member wants their first name mentioned in the discussions then "sign the post with your name". If you don't see a name, other then the official member name, don't use it.

~ P.

 

[Jack Black]

Had we any doubt.



When drawn into this discussion, I thought we were going to be reminding and encouraging a common understanding of internet etiquette. Imagine my surprise.

I will say again, when it comes to me this is now all water under the bridge, down the river, through the bay and out into the ocean. But beyond more objective principle (on which we as a whole seem to disagree), I'll add the following-- possibly to my regret.

There are myriad reasons to not make it easier to identify oneself outright online. Mine happen to include individuals who would delight in causing me trouble in yet another arena, or through information gleaned therein. Yes, they can find me, they will, they have, regardless. I just didn't realize until recently that I was signing up to make it easier.

I am also intensely private, and do cringe whenever I see my name in a public post. That's on me, but... shouldn't that be enough? That I don't want to be addressed by a name I do not use, here?

I don't question any of the current participants' motives towards me, and know it's an outgrowth of friendship and good things shared. Nor do I want anyone to feel bad, now. But I do hope we can do better for the next new members, and those after them?

As for me, this is ultimately my fault. I should have hammered down fast and hard when it first started happening, instead of not speaking up because I didn't want it to become a Thing. (Small smile, at this Thing we're in the midst of.) It was mine to 'get over,' as 'twere, and I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings when I knew they meant well.

Or maybe it would have been better to have recognized that my enjoyment of this hobby and this community was going to bring internal conflict between my desire to be known and to share in these internet discussions, and my desire for even the least veneer of privacy, and backed away.

But I am admittedly stunned by the seeming conclusion that it's others' right to address any member by a name he or she does not use in public posts; I had assumed a different standard.

~ P.

My apologies once again for bringing you into this discussion P - which originally began in another thread where a member's full name was used, with further discussion about who they were (posts since thoughtfully edited - thanks). In raising the matter, I had shared similar assumptions to yourself, and am frankly amazed, that for some members, it is not simply enough that another member asks not to have their name used. For me, that has little to do with security, but rather common courtesy. Hopefully, some members will take note of this discussion, others clearly won't. Very sad

 

[pertinux]

My apologies once again for bringing you into this discussion P ....

Yes, you owe me a Sunday afternoon.

Although perhaps the correct scones would suffice.

Maybe I'll just do my own crime, and we'll all learn soon enough what teh internets already knows! Iffn it meant someone would aggressively recover some family movies and photographs from a hard drive that shorted out in a basement flood, it may almost be worth it.

NOT!

Carry on, y'all.

~ P.

 

[Jack Black]

Yes, you owe me a Sunday afternoon.

Although perhaps the correct scones would suffice.

Maybe I'll just do my own crime, and we'll all learn soon enough what teh internets already knows! Iffn it meant someone would aggressively recover some family movies and photographs from a hard drive that shorted out in a basement flood, it may almost be worth it.

NOT!

Carry on, y'all.

~ P.

Sorry

Cyber-scones!

 

[btb01]

Ok, on with my tale. I was born in 1950 in Lorain, Ohio. My parents were transplants from Pittsburgh and my dad took a job as an EE at the Cadillac Tank Plant in Lorain. They moved into a new neighborhood expecting their first child, me. They had already chosen the name David, if I was a boy, which I am. Now, there was a family next door that had a young son named David. My mom tells me he was the "Dennis the Menace" of the neighborhood. They couldn't name me David because of this prepubescent delinquent. So it was Gary...

7 years later "David the Menace" was forgotten and my baby brother was born. He got David. I'm still mad at him for that. Well not really, but it makes an interesting story at family gatherings. I'm sure I've told it more times then any of them cares to hear.

My parents originally wanted to name me Thomas, a family name on my mother's side, but I had a cousin (a couple years old when I was born, and on my father's side with our same surname) whose name was Thomas, so they decided instead to name me Barrett and make Thomas my middle name. Years later, they learned that Thomas was, in fact, my cousin's middle name, too. His first name? Barry.

(Please note: the middle name in this story has been changed to protect the innocent.)

 

[Mike Robuck]

I'm not sure it's in the guidelines at all Mike, though it's been discussed a couple of times in the Lounge in the past. I know that some members prefer to be discreet because they have said as much. Personally, I try to call a poster by the name they post under, unless they sign their posts or have done in the past, sometimes seems awkward when you know them well and/or where they have a long user name. I certainly prefer calling Dan 'Dan' instead of 'Silenthunterstudios'! I was very pleased when he started signing his posts I just think it's a general courtesy. My post wasn't aimed at you especially, some of our finest members here are the worst offenders! Of course there's nothing more to it than friendliness. Easy to forget we're on the internet. I'm happy to be called Jack

Edit - Just tried to PM you Mike, but you don't have that option enabled

Hmmm, guess it was aimed at me after all. Well at least something good, hopefully, came about from my forum etiquette mistake. On to the knives. Thanks Gary and Frank.

 

[jc57]

I turned off signatures when we moved to this new forum and people could post graphics in them rather than just a few lines of text. I just turned it on again because of the discussion in this thread, and decided I still don't like seeing all those big "banner" signature graphics so I'm turning it off again.

There are folks who seem to routinely go by their name, and those that don't. I can usually figure out which is which. I've often thought it to be mildly rude to refer to someone who obviously uses their name all of time by their forum ID, though I guess it could also be considered mildly polite if viewed in the context of someone you haven't been formally introduced to.

pertinux : for a person who desires internet privacy, I would recommend not posting so many pictures of your family, or information regarding their careers. You have done so many times. In a setting of a community of friends, that would be perfectly harmless. However, as we have probably all discovered, the Internet is not a small gathering of friends. It is instead a massive information-gathering network, used for profit, gain, or power, both legitimate and not, by countless persons, businesses, and governments.

Most of the time the information is just floating out there in a vast sea of information, used in aggregate but not very granularly, and mostly for trying to sell goods and services by targeted advertising and nothing more. However, once the interest of a person or entity coalesces to a specific focus on YOU as an individual, then a lot of what you might have thought was anonymous or unconnected can quickly all be linked right to you, very specifically.

I myself used to be fairly invisible on the Internet, somewhat by intent, but also somewhat by not being especially interested in "social media". However, with just a few pieces of information about me, anyone can easily find out my phone number (which I have paid for many years to have "non-published"), home address, age, cars, place of employment, career history, everything. They just have to have those few pieces, and decide to look and corroborate across several sites. And that's without paying a fee for any of those services that promise to do background checks. My life is relatively boring, but it's a little disturbing to realize how much someone can find out about you, without you knowing, from the comfort of their home.

The only thing no one will find on-line is a photo of me. I never got into the "selfie" thing and the only two digital photographs of me that exist are the one used by the state for my driver's license, and the one maintained by my company on my employee ID. So far, neither of those two are readily searchable on the Internet, though I am sure the government has access to the driver's license photo if needed.

 

[pertinux]

pertinux : for a person who desires internet privacy, I would recommend not posting so many pictures of your family, or information regarding their careers.

Ack, I know, as has been pointed out to me more, er, formally.

Thank you for your consideration on my behalf.

~ P.

 

[Jack Black]

Hmmm, guess it was aimed at me after all. Well at least something good, hopefully, came about from my forum etiquette mistake. On to the knives.

My original post in the Old Knives thread was not instigated by your post in that thread Mike, and if it had been I'd have quoted your post, but I'd assumed you were in agreement that your post was indiscreet, and you should be applauded for editing it. Whether anything much has come out of this discussion remains to be seen I think. Sorry if you feel you've been targeted by me, but it's hard for me to explain to others why this discussion began without referring to the thread in which it started. At no time have I named you or quoted your post, and I think that if nothing else, this discussion has showed that this is a widespread issue, and not centred on one or more posters. My concern at the time of the naming of the member yesterday, (his first name, last name, occupation, and employer) was that he be afforded discretion. If you feel you are the injured party, I'm sorry, though I'm unable to understand why you would think that.

 

[Mike Robuck]

No apology necessary Jack Black. I guess we just go about things differently. I would have reached out to Gary or Frank if I thought something needed to be changed or was amiss. I'm truly glad that they have weighed in and provided clarity for all. I don't have the expectation that others should think as I do, but it's nice that a consensus was reached.

 

[Jack Black]

No apology necessary Jack Black. I guess we just go about things differently. I would have reached out to Gary or Frank if I thought something needed to be changed or was amiss. I'm truly glad that they have weighed in and provided clarity for all. I don't have the expectation that others should think as I do, but it's nice that a consensus was reached.

I didn't think it was something which needed to be reported Mike, I just took it for a slip-up in forum etiquette, which would be swiftly addressed among friends, as indeed it was. Just for the record here's my original post on the subject (the first half of the post complimented posters on the knives in the thread):

"Just a word on forum etiquette, some of us post under our own names, others add their name to their sig lines, others post anonymously, or at least discreetly, and I know some of the latter group prefer to keep it that way, at least in public posts "

It didn't reference any prior posts, and I did not expect the content to be controversial, nor to instigate such a lengthy discussion

 

[Mike Robuck]

We seem to be having a disconnect here but I don't think a long reply from me will help anything. I think I've learned about all I can on the topic and what is now expected going forward. Happy collecting or using.

 

[BigBiscuit]

@waynorth
Jack Black
Mentioning these two because of another thread where "Gary" came up.

OK, just to lighten things up. My name, Gary, would have not been my choice but like many things in life it was given to me and I wear it proudly. I just found this in "Urban Dictionary", , along with some stuff maybe best not posted here. I feel better now!

Ok, on with my tale. I was born in 1950 in Lorain, Ohio. My parents were transplants from Pittsburgh and my dad took a job as an EE at the Cadillac Tank Plant in Lorain. They moved into a new neighborhood expecting their first child, me. They had already chosen the name David, if I was a boy, which I am. Now, there was a family next door that had a young son named David. My mom tells me he was the "Dennis the Menace" of the neighborhood. They couldn't name me David because of this prepubescent delinquent. So it was Gary...

7 years later "David the Menace" was forgotten and my baby brother was born. He got David. I'm still mad at him for that. Well not really, but it makes an interesting story at family gatherings. I'm sure I've told it more times then any of them cares to hear.

Carry on and maybe we can leave this whole name thing as "Use your best judgement". Over and out.

I just finished signing you up for all sort of periodicals, brochures, free offers, and essentially junk mail. You're overload should start arriving in approximately 4-5 weeks.
You can thank me later Gary.

 

[Jack Black]

We seem to be having a disconnect here but I don't think a long reply from me will help anything. I think I've learned about all I can on the topic and what is now expected going forward. Happy collecting or using.

I’m not sure why we have a disconnect Mike. Here’s a portion of your original post in that thread, prior to my post. It wasn’t the first post which named the member, nor was it the reason for my post, but I would hope that the reason for my post (above) will partly be made clear by it, so as to nip the discussion in the bud, particularly as I was personally aware of the member’s feelings in terms of retaining his anonymity. The edited sections, in square brackets, are my edits. Thank you once again for swiftly editing it yourself, following my post

“Wow, major epiphany here. I knew that [username of member] was [first name of member], but I did not realize that until [another poster] posted the picture of his book that he was [full name – first name and surname – of poster]. [First name of poster] wrote up the [removed] chapter in my book and I've enjoyed his articles for [removed] for years.”

 

[Mike Robuck]

Jack Black, while my mind often wanders without telling me where it's going I am well aware of how all this started. It was primarily the aftermath I was referring to but instead of continuing on with what I feel are issues I'm bowing out.

Edited to add that the person I was referring to in the post you just quoted replied to me with with the things I mentioned in my post still in there. Maybe he will edit those out as well.

 

[Jack Black]

Jack Black, while my mind often wanders without telling me where it's going I am well aware of how all this started. It was primarily the aftermath I was referring to but instead of continuing on with what I feel are issues I'm bowing out.

I'm not sure what you mean by the 'aftermath' Mike, the posts are there in the 'Old Knives' thread for anyone who cares to read them. I thought everyone conducted themselves very well, but without my first post, who knows where the discussion might have gone, and how many more personal details might have been posted. Sorry you feel so aggrieved, it's still a mystery to me why, but I hope you'll reflect on things later, and hope you enjoy the rest of your day

 

[Jack Black]

Edited to add that the person I was referring to in the post you just quoted replied to me with with the things I mentioned in my post still in there. Maybe he will edit those out as well.

As you know Mike, our mutual friend is fairly new here, and he may not be aware of that. I'll email him and let him know