Carothers Performance Knives, Use & Abuse

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Nathan's response seems level-headed, and I actually wish CPK had knives in production that were thinner.

But it seems like some other people in this thread are kidding themselves about soft prybars being needed to pass joe x's totally unscientific "tests". The hultafors is claimed 58-60hrc and like 60% of the thickness, half the weight per length, and 1/20th the cost of a BFK. I haven't used that particular model, but comparable size Moras are perfectly reasonable knives.
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
This Mr. Godbout is also on YouTube making a lot of nasty posts about our work.

That is his actual name. I won't share his full name to protect his privacy.

Jo has illuminated for me a little bit about what may have given Mr. Godbout such a hard-on.

He lives in Canada, which sometimes causes problems in shipping. He ordered some SDFK scales from us a while back and wanted us to ship USPS. We don't usually ship USPS because we have found UPS to me more reliable but we accommodated him. And the order never made it to him. While we did refund his money we refused to ship a replacement USPS, insisting on UPS. This cost him some additional money and, while I don't know for sure, this may be a source of indigestion for him.

We both lost money on the deal, but perhaps he was dissatisfied by our service. <--- this sort of problem is why I don't like shipping out of the country. Hurt feelings. Or, perhaps he sincerely feels our Field Knife should be literally unbreakable. The SDFK, which apparently he had, may have been a better fit from him, Idunno.
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Nathan what I am about to say is common sense but I will say it anyway.

The world is filled with sad unpleasant people with narcissistic tendencies. When they feel that the world is not servicing their needs, regardless of the request, they lash out and try everything to force the world to comply.

This individual feels hard done by because you would not cover the shipping costs for his scales and he had to follow your rules rather than what he wanted. People like this are everywhere and continue to be a curse on the world in general.

I could wax lyrical about this for hours save to say.........it's truly unimportant.

There will always be some sad entitled individual doing everything they can to show you how important they are. The best thing to combat this is never to mention their name or acknowledge their existence. This drives them crazy. The more successful you and your company become, the more it is a slap in the face for them.

You and Jo have built something special through hard work, Integrity and perseverance. No little moronic internet troll is going to affect that. Don't expend too much valuable energy on this, you are successful for all the right reasons and you have the respect of the entire knife community, that is the real truth. ;)
 
Nathan and Jo, I want to thank you for being willing to post to the UK, I know there is increased risk with sending abroad, but they have always arrived safely and promptly. I also accept that the risk is mine if they didn't arrive.
I'm pleased with the knives, they do what they are designed and sold for, and they do it very well.
Keep up the good work.
 
Making a knife to pass this test should not be rocket science. I'll send him another 5-inch field knife that's a little bit thicker and see if it does any better. It won't cut very well or be a very good knife, but I expect it should tolerate what he's dishing out ok
 
MolokaiRider said:
I think the knife performed as it should, and touched all the metrics of its design and beyond.

A soft steel knife is great for bashing, but cuts terrible.

I actually would like to see people start utilizing their purchase power for thinner knives that offer high cutting performance and edge stability.
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Yea that’s pretty much the newer business model of Busse knives. Thinner more real world usable bevel/edge geometry
They cut/slice well now ! lol

Busse had a similar outcry when Joe tested the anorexic battle mistress.

All of the weird outliers seem to be uneducated or ignorant folks concentrated mostly towards social media sites and YouTube. The people on these focused forums already know what the deal is, and geometry is actually a thing. Go figure 🤷🏼‍♂️

From what I saw on the knife in question being tested,
the edge held up absolutely amazing.
The D3V is no joke.

Nathan has done a great job, and his passion is obvious. There’s a reason why this brand is important to the industry. Keep rocking it.

I just want one of your choppers more available now lol
 
That particular individual in question was out of line. They tried the same thing on the YT comments and I fired back at them because their assertion was untrue. If someone doesn't like something, they can still disagree respectfully. Thanks to Blues Blues and Nathan the Machinist Nathan the Machinist for keeping this thread open. I'm appreciative of that. At this point it is being very gracious, and I'm thankful. I'm sure this whole thing has felt a bit risky, and the fact that it bought that other individual out of the woodwork is extremely unfortunate, and not ever my intention for the test. Perhaps it was my ignorance to think that something like that wasn't going to happen, but since I had no intention to speak that way, regardless of the test, it didn't really cross my mind.

I think more CPK items should be tested. It is a different audience, and to me, different (and good) exposure. If a CPK knife had the same dimensions as something like the Folklore Beast (1/4", massive tip, etc) and passed the test, that would be freaking amazing, because D3V would have shown that it could make the survivability of the toughest steel used in knives, yet have the added benefits of more corrosion resistance and edge stability.

Regarding stress risers. Is there anything that can be incorporated into a knife design overall to minimize or mitigate small stress riser from turning into something bigger or from breaking a blade? Would be cool to know if there was.

Thanks for all who have respectfully contributed to this thread.
 
beeinak said:
Not Nathan, but I think he was joking.
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I sincerely hope not. I would buy one. Why not? My knife is 50/50 used as a prybar/knife when I'm out in the field. Heck, make it 1/2" shorter, 1/4" thick solid slab D3V, called it the FTFK (Firemans Tool Field Knife) meant to pry and whack, and sometimes cut. Better yet, give it a chisel tip. Make the handles out of that nylon dog bone stuff - its indestructible. I'd rock it. I think there should be at least one CPK that survives the rod.

I can't explain. Some like thick women. I like thick knives. Maybe it's a disorder.🤪😂
 
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^ generally speaking, I try to make knives of a kind that are outstanding high performance knives and not pry tools. There are, of course, exceptions.

No I wasn't kidding. I made a very stupid thick BFK today and I will be sending it to this fella to beat on.
 
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