Choil worries..bad design or for some reason?

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RX-79G said:
He isn't ignoring questions, you're ignoring him when he said, in reply to an earlier request:
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If the manufacturer really did send him a replacement, after they skyped with him and he showed them the problem, why wouldn't he want to share that company? Good customer service should be shared, yes?

Sharing the company name, or pictures of the knife he owns, seems like a reasonable request given all the mentions he's given already and the good experience he had getting his problems looked into.
 
And apparently they skyped him... I am darn curious which manufacturer skyped and apologized and then sent a replacement.

Sounds like a pretty good company, I'll support them if I know who they are..
 
shinyedges said:
So how exactly is saying what company makes the knife bashing them? Please do tell...

If anything good customer service has been shown, so bashing? Every manufacturer has had slips, it is how they handle it that matters.

So "bashing" them by saying who makes the knife... Really?
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After the amount of ridicule the OP has already been subjected to, why would he open himself to more by giving you guys more to use against him?
 
Remember, mods said don't get personal here.

The problem with bringing up specific situations with specific knives but never supplying a model creates curiosity and dare I say a little suspicion of a fictional anecdote being used to further a point. OP would certainly rescue his thread from any further issues if he just supplied a model, the only way it would hurt his case was if his case was made up to begin with. Since this discussion hasn't really gone anywhere, some good info would probably save it from further issues.

Edit: Just so the mods are aware, I don't know the OP nor am I accusing him of anything. This is just an explanatory post is all.
 
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Well this is going in a familiar direction so I am out until the OP wants to supply some more actual information.
 
I like choils, just about all my blades have them, be it a sharpening choil or a larger finger choil. Certainly a matter of taste and experience. I find my knives with a choil much more usable particularly when dressing (or capeing) game.
 
I like the choil on my Bark River. It seems to add a versatility of grip that's quite useful when wood carving with it. Never had any safety issues with it.
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RX-79G said:
After the amount of ridicule the OP has already been subjected to, why would he open himself to more by giving you guys more to use against him?
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Discussing knives, their characteristics, and their uses, is the proper business of this forum. Analyzing each other is not. Just stop it.
 
Spyder59 said:
I like the choil on my Bark River. It seems to add a versatility of grip that's quite useful when wood carving with it. Never had any safety issues with it.
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That's a nice design. It isn't a choil, and can't bite your finger like a choil might, for some people.
 
Spyder59 said:
I like the choil on my Bark River. It seems to add a versatility of grip that's quite useful when wood carving with it. Never had any safety issues with it.
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Just so you understand, the choil on your BRKT is at that little notch in front of the index-groove on your knife's ricasso. That knife has a rather large ricasso with a minimal integral guard, the choil is what connects with the blade heel.
 
Many companies seem to advertise a 'finger choil' which is the finger groove in the ricasso portion of the blade (Spyderco comes to mind as they use the term 'finger choil' a lot in this way). I think there are plenty of people who have heard 'choil' get used in place of a finger groove, hence all the disagreements in this thread.

From what I've read today, it's only a authentic choil if the edge ends at one side of the groove, whereas a 'finger choil' is situated in the ricasso section and is completely separated from the edge of the blade entirely.

The OP threw a lot of folks off when he assumed the finger choil on the White River knife he used as an example was a true choil, when it was really just a finger groove. The original post made it seem that the finger groove 'choils' were in the debate as well, when in reality this thread seems to just be about whether a choil is a 'safe' design or if makers should just stick with finger grooves like all the 'safe' choils being pitches really are.
 
KingMC said:
Many companies seem to advertise a 'finger choil' which is the finger groove in the ricasso portion of the blade (Spyderco comes to mind as they use the term 'finger choil' a lot in this way). I think there are plenty of people who have heard 'choil' get used in place of a finger groove, hence all the disagreements in this thread.

From what I've read today, it's only a authentic choil if the edge ends at one side of the groove, whereas a 'finger choil' is situated in the ricasso section and is completely separated from the edge of the blade entirely.

The OP threw a lot of folks off when he assumed the finger choil on the White River knife he used as an example was a true choil, when it was really just a finger groove. The original post made it seem that the finger groove 'choils' were in the debate as well, when in reality this thread seems to just be about whether a choil is a 'safe' design or if makers should just stick with finger grooves like all the 'safe' choils being pitches really are.
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No, he said that the design of the White River was safer - because it isn't a sharp choil, but puts your finger next to the blade anyway.
 
Either way, OP needs a knife with a wider guard to keep his fingers safe.


And just because it's late, I'll be a jerk and suggest this:

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For some reason, the image of that knife makes me happy. I think I need one. Or sleep. :p Good luck to the OP!
 
chiral.grolim said:
Just so you understand, the choil on your BRKT is at that little notch in front of the index-groove on your knife's ricasso. That knife has a rather large ricasso with a minimal integral guard, the choil is what connects with the blade heel.
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A lot of people who like knives are confused by the terminology (choil & ricasso).
 
I think the easiest solution here is for anyone who feels these choils are unsafe...wait for it....

DON'T BUY ONE WITH A CHOIL...

See how easy that was? Problem solved and your fingers are safe once again.
 
Bobby3326 said:
I think the easiest solution here is for anyone who feels these choils are unsafe...wait for it....

DON'T BUY ONE WITH A CHOIL...

See how easy that was? Problem solved and your fingers are safe once again.
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Big :thumbup: :D

Big :thumbup: to everyone who asked for pics, too.
Half this thread would never have stepped on its own foot.
 
I think the best use of a coil is on large blade knives so the knife can be given a more neutral balance by moving the grip forward. Useful on heavier blades. Can't see the point on light weight or short knives where control is easy enough. The exception is those ultra short coil neck knives where the coil is intrinsic to keeping the thing short. Anything else is more for looks than actually practical.
 
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