Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?

[STAGE 2]

Exactly what point, fallacious or otherwise, was I making? It doesn't bolster your arguments when you have to coat them in personal insults.

Thats what I'd like to know. Since whether he purchased the knives himself, had them donated, or found them on the ground has absolutely no bearing on what he does, or the results he's had.

So why bring it up.

 

[STAGE 2]

It was said in another thread, who made the OP of that thread "the moral arbiter of the world". well my question is also that... who made noss4 the moral arbiter of the knife world.

Where did Noss say he was the moral arbiter of the knife world.

Pardon me, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander and if you are going to be slinging feces you had better damn well face the fact that you are going to get a backlash of some of it on you.

So then do what Noss does. Test knives and post your results. That would be the appropriate response instead of bitching about what someone else does.

I choose not to associate OR respect individuals hypocritic and juvenile enough to act in this manner, but i will stand and voice my opinion on the subjects at hand and call things out that i see wrong.

Really? So this is a moral issue? I have a moral obligation not to beat on my knives? Then you'd better call up Jerry Busse and give him an earful because he endorses this kind of stuff.

if you dont like it, skip my post , put me on ignore on whatever you like, as sticking your head in the sand and insults is not going to accomplish anything.

Well here's my two cents. You are correct that there is a clear divide here however its not quite the way you have framed it. Its quite ironic that you constantly bring up brow beating as it is yourself and your like minded associates that are the ones who are trying to silence Noss.

So at the end of the day we have one group who thinks that people should be able to do whatever they want with our knives, and one group who thinks they should have some sort of dominion over others in regards to what they do with their knives.

I know which group I'm in.

 

[Karda]

You either forgot this part or omitted it on purpose.

And the OP of that thread was as much as called an attention whore, which brings into question the REAL reason why someone would smash knives, post videos on youtube and here and AND on his own site, and THEN start controversy in our forums besides. This is a level of hypocrisy that is almost unbelievable and also brings into question the true motives of the noss4 side.

Just by the fact that he does what he does and the splashes it all over the internet in multiple places and claims to be fighting hype and such, is as much as declaring himself the "arbiter of the knife world".

Your second quote of mine is rediculous and wont be responded to. Your third a pathetic attempt at skewing perspective,as it was only a statement of who i will and will not associate with.

And your last quote is a similar attempt at skewing facts, i am not trying to silence noss4 in any way, or tell you how to treat your knives, i would however suggest that that because of the controversiality of his tests that they be kept to his own site until he is ready to do real testing for testings sake and and stand publicly behind them ,not for entertainment or to gain himself notoriety.
and that your side be able to take as much critisism as you give others.

i also know which group i'm in and that that group as shown choose not to deal in skewed facts and hypocrisy.

and this little part made me chuckle.

he did hit it with hummer

i watched some of the tests and was not aware ,nor did i see that part of the video, although i suggest that he add it to his repritoire, as then it would truly be adult entertainment.

 

[STAGE 2]

Just by the fact that he does what he does and the splashes it all over the internet in multiple places and claims to be fighting hype and such, is as much as declaring himself the "arbiter of the knife world".

Sorry, but posting personal conclusions in no way equals proclaiming yourself arbiter of the knife world. Thats just a major leap in logic.

Your second quote of mine is rediculous and wont be responded to.

So its ridiculous for you to counter his results with results of your own? Isn't that what science demands?

Your third a pathetic attempt at skewing perspective,as it was only a statement of who i will and will not associate with.

Ummm, no. You said you will voice your opinion, "on the subjects at hand and call things out that (you) see wrong." Neither subjects or things are people, so clearly you weren't talking about associations. Therefore the only other possible interpretation is that you believe that what Noss does is wrong.

Which is why I asked my question, how can what someone does with their own personal property be wrong. If it is, who gets to decide what is wrong and what is right.

And your last quote is a similar attempt at skewing facts, i am not trying to silence noss4 in any way, or tell you how to treat your knives, i would however suggest that that because of the controversiality of his tests that they be kept to his own site until he is ready to do real testing for testings sake and and stand publicly behind them ,not for entertainment or to gain himself notoriety.

LOL... I've often found that if you give people enough rope they always hang themselves. I've bolded the important part for you. According to you, Noss shouldn't be welcome here until what he does meets with your approval. If thats not silencing someone then I don't know what is.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Karda]

No more a leap in logic than your postings, only mine arent skewed.

I dont see you doing any testing either or proving that his tests arent controversial.

the third quote is proof of my former points on fact skewing.

and your fourth is an assumption and more of the same.

Noss shouldn't be welcome here until what he does meets with your approval. If thats not silencing someone then I don't know what is.

i never said he wasnt welcome here, only that i myself wouldnt respect him.
Thank you for proving MY points.

 

[Joshua J.]

Since when is this thing on page 16!

Oh, I posted last page. I guess it's just surprising after seeing so many normal threads and then coming back to this one.

 

[STAGE 2]

i never said he wasnt welcome here, only that i myself wouldnt respect him.

You sir are a liar and a blatant one at that...

i would however suggest that that because of the controversiality of his tests that they be kept to his own site until he is ready to do real testing for testings sake

Nough said.

 

[Karda]

You sir are a liar and a blatant one at that...
Nough said.

Where does that say he's not welcome
Thank you for again proving all my points.

 

[STAGE 2]

Where does that say he's not welcome

Right there in black and white. You wish to censor what Noss can and cannot post here. Your words, not mine.

 

[Karda]

Right there in black and white. You wish to censor what Noss can and cannot post here. Your words, not mine.

i suggest you re-read it. it just says I suggest that his test stay on his own site. my opinion.
in no way does it say he's not welcome.

thank you for again proving my earlier points

 

[STAGE 2]

i suggest you re-read it. it just says I suggest that his test stay on his own site. my opinion. in no way does it say he's not welcome.

Exactly. You are advocating for his censorship. You dont want him posting his reviews/opinions about knives here. Thats exactly what I began with. You are part of the group that wishes to tell others what they should or shouldn't do or should or shouldn't say. Throwing the word "suggest" in there doesn't make this any more benign.

I "suggest" you go jump off a building. In no way does this say that I want you to get hurt.

See how dumb that sounds.

 

[Karda]

Exactly. You are advocating for his censorship. You dont want him posting his reviews/opinions about knives here. Thats exactly what I began with. You are part of the group that wishes to tell others what they should or shouldn't do or should or shouldn't say. Throwing the word "suggest" in there doesn't make this any more benign.

I "suggest" you go jump off a building. In no way does this say that I want you to get hurt.

See how dumb that sounds.

i am advocating for unbiased respectul review, and his and your tactics are far from that. he has his own site, throwing in insults doesnt make you any more right. and by your own posting arent you doing the same thing, IE trying to censor those who dont agree with you?

thank you again for proving my points.

 

[emperorwang]

karda let it rest.....stage 2 has soundly trumped you.

 

[STAGE 2]

i am advocating for unbiased respectul review

So do your own.

and by your own posting arent you doing the same thing, IE trying to censor those who dont agree with you?

Not in the slightest. In order to do the same thing I'd have to be advocating against you posting your opinions on various knives. I'm not.

You seem to want a rubric for which opinions are "good enough" to be posted here. Thats not how forums like this work, nor free societies either.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Thats what I'd like to know. Since whether he purchased the knives himself, had them donated, or found them on the ground has absolutely no bearing on what he does, or the results he's had.

So why bring it up.

I was pointing out, to the person who asserted "Noss" was a "dumb@ass" for 'spending all this money on knives just to destroy them' that it was not necessarily the case that he had purchased them all -- a fact which, I believe, is common knowledge, since the next poster pointed out he had donated to this cause, and if I remember correctly, "Noss" has said plainly that he receives financial support for his knife-breaking activities from those who support those activities. (I assume, further, that the reason certain manufacturers have his contact information is because he receives knives from them for purposes of his "tests" -- this is a common and entirely acceptable practice in the industry. Manufacturers frequently submit samples to those whose activities with their knives generate publicity, and the best of them insist on an honest evaluation regardless of results. In other words, I'm not criticizing Noss for accepting such samples.)

In other words, I was defending the man by pointing out that he is not as big a "dumb@ass" as the poster in question thought him to be, because he is not necessarily throwing away his own money to engage in his knife-breaking. But of course you are so rabid to defend him that you view any and all comment from anyone not solidly in your camp as some sort of vast conspiracy of trolling and defamation.

karda let it rest.....stage 2 has soundly trumped you.

Not really, no. Karda's points seem entirely reasonable to anyone not blinded by the need to defend "Noss" no matter what the reality of the situation might be, and unlike "STAGE 2," he's not felt the need to be childish about it in engaging in this argument.

 

[tomcrx]

"STAGE 2," he's not felt the need to be childish about it in engaging in this argument.

Same old Phil, We must petition Websters to add the new definition for childish.

Childish
Pronunciation: \ˈchī(-&#601l-dish\
Function: adjective
Date: 2008

1: Of, relating to or beffitting an opinion that Sharp Phil does not like


Now call my comment childish or immature and let the amish rakefight continue.

 

[Lycosa]

It's more like a radish cake fight.

 

[Karda]

Thank you phil.
At least the noss4 camp and the man himself have shown their true colors.
and it' s there in print. anyone with common sense will see what theyre up to.

 

[Broos]

I would like to give an example of why there is in fact value in these tests from an engineering perspective. :thumbup:

I have studied Noss' tests and carefully observed what is happening to the blades. Then, comparison of the materials and processes used in manufacturing the blade does provide useful insights.

One of the things that I learnt was the mistake that many seem to make in measuring toughness. Most talk about charpy tests. This is a test for impact toughness. However, its clearly seen in the videos that plastic deformation, chipping and fatigue cracking is also occuring in some of the tests. This is where it is important to look at fracture toughness, which indeed is a different thing to standard impact toughness.

IMHO it would be far better to study the modes of failure for brand loyalists. If the failure is outside the use of the knife, fine. If however the failure is reasonably expected to be within the possible use of the knife I think it provides important and interesting examples of how the product needs to be improved.

From an engineering perspective, how can you watch all that going on at once, and know what caused the failure? Standard practice is to isolate a behavior or failure mode to analyze it, not introducing multiple failure modes at once and then trying to figure out why it failed. This seems the opposite of what I know to be good engineering.

Most engineers use the charpy test to measure fracture toughness. This test is known to give widely varying results even when great attention to detail is used. Are you familiar with how fracture toughness can be obtained? I do not think having another misunderstood term bandied around all the time here will help anyone's understanding, especially one that is even more difficult to understand than the standard measure of toughness.

http://www.twi.co.uk/content/kscsw011.html

 

[DaveH]

I love these threads, as those that I need to put on ignore are obvious.

BTW, Karda have you done you own tests yet?