Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?

[Karda]

I'm not Butthurt, (remember you mentioned it,BTW) and it seems to me that there is plenty o' butthurt on both sides. I just dont like noss4 and friends tactic's any more than they like the tactics of some knifemakers. therein lies the Hypocrisy I do however feel that noss4 and Co. lack common sense enough to tell the difference.

i will Offer a solution to the problem though.

 

[Karda]

If thats what happened and "weak Fragile knives" is in direct comparison to the others tested the same way, I DO NOT See ANY Defamation. And it's actually all caught on tape for everyone to see. That ,like I stated before, does not take away from the beauty or ones personal preference in a knife.
As you can see it has to be FALSE, witch if taken in comparison with other knives tested it obviously is not. And an Opinion cannot be Defamation. I can post all over Youtube that Victoria's Secret Models are Ugly beasts all day long, and nothing can be said, except maybe I need new glasses.

DEFAMATION, n. The uttering of slanderous words with a view to injure anothers reputation; the malicious uttering of falsehood respecting another which tends to destroy or impair his good name, character or occupation; slander; calumny. To constitute defamation in law, the words must be false and spoken maliciously. Defamatory words written and published are called a libel.

If in Direct comparison to the other knives and Reeves claims of toughness I hardly call that Defamation. It's on tape if you want to see.

By the definition you given yourself on defamation and or libel, that is clearly what happened as it may well affect his good name, reputation and occupation in the future. And on the basis of controversial tests using a miniscule amount of testing/testing material which is CLEARLY NOT representative of ALL his knives.

I SAY WE LET THE LAWYERS SORT IT OUT...... and quit beating an already dead horse into oblivion.

but of course the noss4 side will always have to have the last word, go ahead and prove me wrong on that one buddy.

 

[STAGE 2]

I SAY WE LET THE LAWYERS SORT IT OUT...... and quit beating an already dead horse into oblivion.

Well you're in luck because I happen to be one and there isn't any defamation here at all.

As has been previously stated, the essence of a defamatory statement is that it is false. Opinion is neither false or true, therefore opinions can never be defamatory. So let me assure you that everything here is perfectly legal.

As far as being butthurt, I dont have anything to be butthurt about. I'm not a CRK fanboy, nor do I care whether someone likes these videos or not.

I do think its funny how the same people that call these things worthless and utterly stupid are the same people who take up so much bandwidth raging against them in these threads. How can something so worthless warrant so much time and effort?

 

[Karda]

Well you're in luck because I happen to be one and there isn't any defamation here at all.

As has been previously stated, the essence of a defamatory statement is that it is false. Opinion is neither false or true, therefore opinions can never be defamatory. So let me assure you that everything here is perfectly legal.

I wouldnt call that luck by a long shot.
Well, good for you on the lawyer gig. IMHO i dont believe you. glad my ex-wife tried to save money on her lawyer, else it Wouldve been harder to win custody.

As far as being butthurt, I dont have anything to be butthurt about. I'm not a CRK fanboy, nor do I care whether someone likes these videos or not.

Neither am i, nor do i. and i'm not the one who brought that up. your side did. Maybe some of you could use some counciling on how to be a better person and treat your fellow man. And some help learning to recognize real truth.

I do think its funny how the same people that call these things worthless and utterly stupid are the same people who take up so much bandwidth raging against them in these threads. How can something so worthless warrant so much time and effort?

You tell me, you've devoted far more Time and effort.
Check my post count in this thread versus yours, the truth ...errr ....the hammer of truth is in there , grasshoppa. All you have to do is seek it.

It just shows what Alot of peeps are like these days i guess. judging by the Poll which is a far better indicator than noss's tests.
Glad i'm in the minority though. and that i was brought up well, thank you for makin me feel so fortunate. here is another Youtube video to watch while your at it, wasting your time, and everyone elses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pen4dMAv7zY

So how many pages will you and your fiends add to this topic today?

 

[STAGE 2]

You tell me, you've devoted far more Time and effort. Check my post count in this thread versus yours, the truth ...errr ....the hammer of truth is in there , grasshoppa. All you have to do is seek it.

But I'm not the one who thinks they are worthless. Thats the difference. I don't waste my time on things that are worthless. Do you?

 

[Joshua J.]

I'm not Butthurt, (remember you mentioned it,BTW) and it seems to me that there is plenty o' butthurt on both sides. I just dont like noss4 and friends tactic's any more than they like the tactics of some knifemakers. therein lies the Hypocrisy I do however feel that noss4 and Co. lack common sense enough to tell the difference.

i will Offer a solution to the problem though.

You know that last suggestion on the sheet sounds pretty good.

 

[greater]

Wow I just got here and I have already become aquainted with the mad mantra of the CR cult

 

[greater]

I think just like the item in question they just cracked as well

 

[nullack]

I would like to give an example of why there is in fact value in these tests from an engineering perspective. :thumbup:

I have studied Noss' tests and carefully observed what is happening to the blades. Then, comparison of the materials and processes used in manufacturing the blade does provide useful insights.

One of the things that I learnt was the mistake that many seem to make in measuring toughness. Most talk about charpy tests. This is a test for impact toughness. However, its clearly seen in the videos that plastic deformation, chipping and fatigue cracking is also occuring in some of the tests. This is where it is important to look at fracture toughness, which indeed is a different thing to standard impact toughness.

IMHO it would be far better to study the modes of failure for brand loyalists. If the failure is outside the use of the knife, fine. If however the failure is reasonably expected to be within the possible use of the knife I think it provides important and interesting examples of how the product needs to be improved.

 

[stolas223]

Wow I just got here and I have already become aquainted with the mad mantra of the CR cult
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I think just like the item in question they just cracked as well
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EXACTLY

IMHO it would be far better to study the modes of failure for brand loyalists. If the failure is outside the use of the knife, fine. If however the failure is reasonably expected to be within the possible use of the knife I think it provides important and interesting examples of how the product needs to be improved.
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Again Exactly

As I said, A LOT Of Knives tested and just Knives in general are Made to be WEAPONS. With Utility. Look Closely at the Green Beret. It Looks Exactly like a Secondary weapon to Stab and Slash a Human or animal should look like(Although a $300 S30V knife only hardened to 57 snapping like that is really Horrible) . It Doesn't look like a Hatchet to me. and Like I said Before, My Cult Following of Ernest Emerson knives Will not change when/if they Break When Noss starts testing folders, I don't Baton My Emerson. I will use a hatchet, or if I really had to I'd be extremely careful. The Tests are the Valuable to me. I ended up grabbing a Browning Crowell/Barker and I Love it and also a Kbar heavy Bowie. I figured it would be crap cuz it's so cheap, and I didn't realize what steel was being used until I saw that and the Info provided.BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WILL TEST THEM,JUST ADD HYPE!!!! Same when the Strider Busted, I still get Striders. I still like the tests.
All the Haters need to either ignore it, or DO SOME OF YOUR OWN TESTS AND POST IT!!!! Especially Knife makers. I see Knife Makers posting a LOT of Horrible Comments, HMMMMM, Interesting.

 

[ExMachina]

That guys a dumbass. Spends all that money on those knives, just to break them.

i don't know. lots of product testing involves the ultimate destruction of the products.

it's interesting to see some knives fail where others have succeeded.

the message to me is that $$$ doesn't automatically buy you a "better" blade

 

[ExMachina]

case in point:

watch the Scrap Yard Scrapper Vids (or just the last one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODwoWE8vco&feature=related). that is a tough friggin' blade.

though i would never probably break a CRK Project1, b/c of such destruction tests i'd feel VERY confident having a Scrap Yard Scrapper @ my side...a knife that costs ONE THIRD as much as a Project 1

just my take on all this...

 

[Phil Elmore]

Don't assume he's buying them all, either.

 

[Joshua J.]

Yeah, I just donated $5.

 

[STAGE 2]

Don't assume he's buying them all, either.

Jesus Phil. More fallacious arguments? You seem awfully preoccupied with something you seem to think is worthless.

Does it have any bearing on the tests whether he has purchased the knives. No. Does it have any bearing on whether we know who Noss is. No.

Its really fantastic that you've posted your phone number and an awesome avatar of your uber tacticool ninjaness. However what "Phil" does isn't a rubric for everyone else. Thats why all of your arguments are fallacious.

Now if you would like to stop with these fallacies and actually address the testing, that might be somethign different.

 

[chasden]

Is this thread still going on?!

Talk about shooting the messenger -- Noss is doing us the favor by hard testing knives. We should thank him. I personally find his videos informative and entertaining.

And that poll thread of "sharp" Phil's is ridiculous.

You've got my vote, Noss. Cheers.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Jesus Phil. More fallacious arguments? You seem awfully preoccupied with something you seem to think is worthless.

Does it have any bearing on the tests whether he has purchased the knives. No. Does it have any bearing on whether we know who Noss is. No.

Its really fantastic that you've posted your phone number and an awesome avatar of your uber tacticool ninjaness. However what "Phil" does isn't a rubric for everyone else. Thats why all of your arguments are fallacious.

Now if you would like to stop with these fallacies and actually address the testing, that might be somethign different.

Exactly what point, fallacious or otherwise, was I making? It doesn't bolster your arguments when you have to coat them in personal insults.

 

[richarjs]

In short:

(1) This guy Noss beat the crap out of a collection of different knives. He did things to them for which knives traditionally aren't made.

(2)Some broke. Some of the more expensive ones broke more quickly.

(3) Some of those who are fans of the maker of the expenisve knifes got butthurt.

(4) The question is, "Would you buy a knife from the maker in question after seeing these tests?"

If you would, there is no reason to feel butthurt.

 

[Karda]

What i'm seeing in this thread:

The noss4 advocates browbeating anyone who questions said tests or noss4 himself, all the while defending his right to critisize good knifemakers/knifemakers in general on the basis of questionable testing using miniscule amounts of their product which is not totally representative of their line , allowing him to affect their businesses while garnering attention and notoriety for himself.

It was said in another thread, who made the OP of that thread "the moral arbiter of the world". well my question is also that... who made noss4 the moral arbiter of the knife world. And the OP of that thread was as much as called an attention whore, which brings into question the REAL reason why someone would smash knives, post videos on youtube and here and AND on his own site, and THEN start controversy in our forums besides. This is a level of hypocrisy that is almost unbelievable and also brings into question the true motives of the noss4 side.

Pardon me, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander and if you are going to be slinging feces you had better damn well face the fact that you are going to get a backlash of some of it on you.

I choose not to associate OR respect individuals hypocritic and juvenile enough to act in this manner, but i will stand and voice my opinion on the subjects at hand and call things out that i see wrong.

if you dont like it, skip my post , put me on ignore on whatever you like, as sticking your head in the sand and insults is not going to accomplish anything.

just my 2cents.

 

[nozh2002]

In short:

(1) This guy Noss beat the crap out of a collection of different knives. He did things to them for which knives traditionally aren't made.

(2)Some broke. Some of the more expensive ones broke more quickly.

(3) Some of those who are fans of the maker of the expenisve knifes got butthurt.

(4) The question is, "Would you buy a knife from the maker in question after seeing these tests?"

If you would, there is no reason to feel butthurt.

According to my investigation of this test - if you will see transcript below. What he is doing is regular knife test conducted with care and respect to the knife. Doing at first thing which those knives expected to do.

This is very important to understand. At the end Noss4 indeed goes extreme and do things nobody will do in regular use, but which may happen in extreme survival situation. But this is not what happen in this particular case with Project I.

It is very clear from that video - clip #3 8th minute. That this knife got broken on one of the regular testing stage, Noss4 very carefully baton wood and knife broke near handle, not at the point of impact.

He was not destroying this knife for fun, but did testing and it fail. It is very easy to see at 8th min of 3rd video.

Please, see my trascript and make you own jujjement.

From parallel topic - I just write down step by step those "stupid and pointless destruction for entartainmet". See for yourself:

Let then goes over Noss4 video for Project I step by step to see this "knife destruction for entertaining".

He introduced knive - as A2 thick heavy duty one piece...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0H8EFC26vw

1. Peel apple, (I tests on potato) - shows basic ability to use knife for "fine" thing like food prparation, reasonable test and Project one doing all right.
2. Slice an apple - reaonable test to me - show that blade is bit too thick for fine slicing.
3. Cut 10000 pounf ribbon cutting
4. Control Cutting of 10 000 pound ribbon
5. Cut same with serration
6. Chopping 2x4 - not a good chopper according to Noss4. get some energy to do. not heavy enough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ2fT6pL4xQ

7. Cut 10000 ribbon after chopping - cut well no difference on the edge.
8. Batooning firewood hitting with wood - done.
9. Cutting Ribbon after batooning. - less sharp.
10. Tip break test on 2x4 "dig through" - perfect shape after testing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VmWJOAJB5I

11. Tip test on metal - snaped off very tip few mm but no any serious non fixable, compare holes with holes from other knife. Reasonable test for survival knife.
12. Batooning through 2x4 with 3 pound steel hummer

I would say he hit it very gently, defenetely without intention to destroy it with blade about 60 degree to wood) until at 8 minutes it breaks very easy without actually any hard hit and at the different point from where he did hit it with hummer, but near handle. Also it was clearly surprise for Noss4 he did not really expected this.

So is it stupid and pointless destruction for entertainment, unrepeatable etc, etc, etc?

Thanks, Vassili.
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Thanks, Vassili.