Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?

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There are essentially two types of people who delight in these topics: 1) those who like CR knives, their design and quality; and 2) those who enjoy pointing out that high-priced knives don't really offer huge (if any) performance increases over much more inexpensive knives. It really doesn't matter that you can beat any knife to pieces; some people will always expect that more money should translate into higher performance, and that's not always true.

If someone has the chance to buy a Ruger Security-Six or a Colt Python, for more than twice the cost, they can reasonably expect the accuracy (performance) to be greater with the Colt than that of the Ruger. So if they want to enhance their own accuracy through the proper shooting techniques, they'll have demonstrable performance enhancement that can be measured. But in the knife world, this just doesn't hold true. In many cases, a $450 knife isn't going to cut any better or last any longer than far more inexpensive knives. And beating it to death doesn't change things.

Any one of these knives, if cared for, will last a lifetime of fairly hard use, with the exception of folders. I saw a YouTube video of some clown who stuck a Cold Steel Recon Tanto in the ground and shot it with a high powered rifle round—three times. And of course it shattered.

People buy knives for a lot of reasons, but performance isn't always a factor. Some could argue that it's not even frequently a factor. Put someone out in the wilderness and a ten-dollar Chinese fixed blade will perform far better than a $500 folder. That said, you won't see a lot of guys swapping their expensive folders for junk fixed blade knives.

Where these videos might be insightful is, say, when comparing a CS Recon G.I. against a Strider BT. Forget who stole what from whom, not many people are going to want to shell out the extra $$$ for the latter when the latter is horrendously more expensive. Besides, anyone would be better off with ten G.I. Tantos than one BT under any condition or in any situation. (In fact, two G.I. Tantos would be better if these videos are any indication.)

Me, I was impressed with the way the CRK stood up. Using a hammer, a vice and that knife, one could almost build a ship! So I don't think the destruction was in any way a downside to buying the knife...unless, of course, another, cheaper, knife could do the same thing better and for less money, but now you're getting into the finer aspects of performance again. And getting back to the Ruger v. the Colt, some folks (like me) might point out that if you went to a range and shot both guns to destruction, the Colt would be inoperable long before the Ruger.

In the end, people buy products based on beauty, cost, performance, durability and components, and they attach different weights to the above that can't always be determined by beating a product to death.
 
There are essentially two types of people who delight in these topics: 1) those who like CR knives, their design and quality; and 2) those who enjoy pointing out that high-priced knives don't really offer huge (if any) performance increases over much more inexpensive knives. It really doesn't matter that you can beat any knife to pieces; some people will always expect that more money should translate into higher performance, and that's not always true.

If someone has the chance to buy a Ruger Security-Six or a Colt Python, for more than twice the cost, they can reasonably expect the accuracy (performance) to be greater with the Colt than that of the Ruger. So if they want to enhance their own accuracy through the proper shooting techniques, they'll have demonstrable performance enhancement that can be measured. But in the knife world, this just doesn't hold true. In many cases, a $450 knife isn't going to cut any better or last any longer than far more inexpensive knives. And beating it to death doesn't change things.

Any one of these knives, if cared for, will last a lifetime of fairly hard use, with the exception of folders. I saw a YouTube video of some clown who stuck a Cold Steel Recon Tanto in the ground and shot it with a high powered rifle round—three times. And of course it shattered.

People buy knives for a lot of reasons, but performance isn't always a factor. Some could argue that it's not even frequently a factor. Put someone out in the wilderness and a ten-dollar Chinese fixed blade will perform far better than a $500 folder. That said, you won't see a lot of guys swapping their expensive folders for junk fixed blade knives.

Where these videos might be insightful is, say, when comparing a CS Recon G.I. against a Strider BT. Forget who stole what from whom, not many people are going to want to shell out the extra $$$ for the latter when the latter is horrendously more expensive. Besides, anyone would be better off with ten G.I. Tantos than one BT under any condition or in any situation. (In fact, two G.I. Tantos would be better if these videos are any indication.)

Me, I was impressed with the way the CRK stood up. Using a hammer, a vice and that knife, one could almost build a ship! So I don't think the destruction was in any way a downside to buying the knife...unless, of course, another, cheaper, knife could do the same thing better and for less money, but now you're getting into the finer aspects of performance again. And getting back to the Ruger v. the Colt, some folks (like me) might point out that if you went to a range and shot both guns to destruction, the Colt would be inoperable long before the Ruger.

In the end, people buy products based on beauty, cost, performance, durability and components, and they attach different weights to the above that can't always be determined by beating a product to death.

Simple watch that test - no destruction was intended!

Get out this fiction and face reality - as I mention many times - he was not destroying this knife when it break!

Thanks, Vassili.
 
If It is rediculous rhetoric, all who posted here,myself included, were involved in that rediculous rhetoric and yes that includes you and stage2.

Exactly what rhetoric have I been involved in. Feel free to post any statement of mine.



When you guys come here and trash a very well respected and great knifemakers entire line on the basis of controversial tests, testing a miniscule amount of his product, what do you expect? Do you think anyone will respect you or the tests because of it? If it was done in a respectful manner in the first place,maybe there would've been discussion.
To tear down anothers notoriety and integrity to gain your own is very wrong, and i hate to see people hurt in such a way.

So if Noss hadn't given the statement that he did about CRK would that have changed your mind?
 
Seems to me the only one yelling is you...

Why do I need to watch the entire saga to comment on it?

I have a pretty good idea of what this discussion is all about: Do these tests constitute a valid representation or the knife's capabilities or not?

I venture that it does not.

And if you don't like my contributions - don't read 'em!


This is rediqulos! I have no time to waste to read your posts - how about that?

If you join discussion about tests on video can you please at least check what are you talking about and watch this video. Especially if I point you at exatc point where it happen - third clip, 8 min you do not need to "waste" you valuable time.

You have time to dismiss this tests without even look at them.

You are wasting our time!

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. I guess this is common here - people start yelling and crying about some fictional knife smasher based on just "Destruction test" name and no one ever see those videos!
 
Seems to me the only one yelling is you...

Why do I need to watch the entire saga to comment on it?

I have a pretty good idea of what this discussion is all about: Do these tests constitute a valid representation or the knife's capabilities or not?

I venture that it does not.

And if you don't like my contributions - don't read 'em!

Well, I do not care about your comments - like or dislike. I just pointing out that you do not know what are you talking about, as you admitted yourself.

This is how it was in Soviet Union - some workers yell about Solzhenitcin or Sakharov without actually know what is they protesting - just based on "pretty good idea".

I am learning now that this is not something unique for communists - you just step on some toe - not Communisr Party but let say CR and all those crowd went berserk, just because they think their fetish were "attacked". Just based on "good idea".

Well, I suggest you to waste few minutes of you time to actually see what are you protesting - it may save you much more time after - I hope you will not pollute this discussion with this fight with you own "good idea" which has nothing to do with reality,

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Well, I do not care about your comments - like or dislike. I just pointing out that you do not know what are you talking about, as you admitted yourself.

This is how it was in Soviet Union - some workers yell about Solzhenitcin or Sakharov without actually know what is they protesting - just based on "pretty good idea".

I am learning now that this is not something unique for communists - you just step on some toe - not Communisr Party but let say CR and all those crowd went berserk, just because they think their fetish were "attacked". Just based on "good idea".

Well, I suggest you to waste few minutes of you time to actually see what are you protesting - it may save you much more time after - I hope you will not pollute this discussion with this fight with you own "good idea" which has nothing to do with reality,

Thanks, Vassili.

Nozh, you should change your handle to "Energizer Bunny" , cuz ya just keep goin' On....and Onn.....And Onnn. Bangin that Drum.

You didnt attack my fetish ,Son ,my fetish is fine wimmin' and bondage.
I just hate to see CRK or anybody else get raked over the coals without warrant for someone elses personal gain.

Now Let this topic die a slow painful death like it should've long ago and sink into the abyss where it belongs.

Capisce?

Or maybe someone with the power to do so should just shut it down before it takes on a life of it's own?
 
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Nozh, you should change your handle to "Energizer Bunny" , cuz ya just keep goin' On....and Onn.....And Onnn. Bangin that Drum.

You didnt attack my fetish ,Son ,my fetish is fine wimmin' and bondage.
I just hate to see CRK or anybody else get raked over the coals without warrant for someone elses personal gain.

Now Let this topic die a slow painful death like it should've long ago and sink into the abyss where it belongs.

Capisce?

Or maybe someone with the power to do so should just shut it down before it takes on a life of it's own?

Try to focus on subject again. I am you Son and see no reason for you to talk like this, if you are not frustrated.

This is not intentional destruction or abuse, CR fail - this is just a fact. You may provide other fact where CR stays, but so far I see only frustration.

I think the times are changing now and more and more tests are coming out and some of those brand will face reality check. And you can nothing to do with this. Sorry! However, if knives stand tests - nothing to worry.

Tests are quite good and fair - it is easy to see if you bother to check what are you talking and talking and talking about.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Try to focus on subject again. I am you Son and see no reason for you to talk like this, if you are not frustrated.

This is not intentional destruction or abuse, CR fail - this is just a fact. You may provide other fact where CR stays, but so far I see only frustration.

I think the times are changing now and more and more tests are coming out and some of those brand will face reality check. And you can nothing to do with this. Sorry! However, if knives stand tests - nothing to worry.

Tests are quite good and fair - it is easy to see if you bother to check what are you talking and talking and talking about.

Thanks, Vassili.
No no, Vassili, I just sick and tired of watching you post same ting over and over and over for 500 time in two thread ,all say same ting and hurting good people with no real basis and does Noone no good just to controversy get. maybe you go and batoon someting now instead of post here in thread, or run you other test to take out own frusration. If you were really my son i be spanking you to break you of your terrible habit of argument no matter what say anyone no matter how small. and banish you from computer until you to people show a little fairness and respect, and for not listen elder. Maybe if noone let knives to stupid test or sell knife to Noss4, no more test and no more rudeness and fight. Maybe you send own knife to test to Noss4 foe somting to watch or he can break cheap chinese knife instead for you to watch and argue about. And all maker and forum can get on with life. Sorry if my Russian bad, i only learn today to speak of it. Now, so please to let topic die. as haorse to death it is beaten. of me now are you understand?
 
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1) How is CR getting raked over the coals?
2) What personal gain is Noss recieving?

You Can Re-Read English As Well as Anyone else here.

I point you at exatc point where it happen - third paragraph, 8 min.
or something like that.
 
No no, Vassili, I just sick and tired of watching you.......... Sorry if my Russian bad, i only learn today to speak of it. Now, so please to let topic die. as haorse to death it is beaten. of me now are you understand?


LOFL.

Это было действительно некоторым смешной дерьмом….Vassilli клонит нажать его собственную повестку дня, все, что угодно оно могло быть.

Oh yeah, он реальная головка poo poo.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
LOFL.

Это было действительно некоторым смешной дерьмом….Vassilli клонит нажать его собственную повестку дня, все, что угодно оно могло быть.

Oh yeah, он реальная головка poo poo.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

Well, I think CR supporters has nothing to say any more then this kind of thing.

Well, what else to expect?

I guess I transcript this test show everybody who will to see what this really is that this is not destruction for entertaining but rather good resonable tests.

I guess this just makes opponents even angrier. What can I do more? I will not go to same level and start personal attack and all this sort of things.

Have a nice day. I really see no point to pay attention to this thing.

Thanks, Vassili.

I have nothing against CR, whatever some sad here. I just think that dismissing good and valuable testing only on basis that some respectable brand did not pass them is wrong. We do not actually have too much real information about one or other aspects of knife performances and any tests valuable, especially Noss4 test which nobody else will do because it require a lot of effort to do, and expensive. So I can understand that poor performance may be disapponted but this is not the reason to dismiss test and do all this personal attacks on tester who did very good job to provide for all of us important information.

I see only one possible way out of this for CR - provide alternative testing which will show good performance.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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Хорошо с моей стороны, я ПУКАЮ В ОБЩЕМ РУКОВОДСТВЕ ЭТОЙ ТЕМЫ!!!!
Я ПУКАЮ НА ТЕСТАХ и ИХ МЕНЬШЕ ЧЕМ ПОЛЕЗНАЯ ИНФОРМАЦИЯ.

И НАДЕЖДА, ЧТО МУХИ ОБЕЗЬЯНЫ НАВОДНЯЮТ ПОДМЫШКИ ЛЮБОГО, КТО ПОЛУЧАЕТ ИХ УДОВОЛЬСТВИЕ ИЗ ПРИЧИНЕНИЯ ВРЕДА ХОРОШО УВАЖАЕМЫЙ knifemakers.

И я ИЗМАТЫВАЮ НА ЗЛОМ ВСЮДУ.

ТЕПЕРЬ thats НЕКОТОРЫЙ ПРЕКРАСНЫЙ ПРИЯТЕЛЬ РАЗВЛЕЧЕНИЯ И я НЕ ДОЛЖНЫ БЫЛИ УБИТЬ НОЖ ИЛИ ПОВРЕДИТЬ ЛЮБОГО, ЧТОБЫ ПОЛУЧИТЬ it.

ХОРОШЕГО ДНЯ!!!

Вы парни приезжают сюда и громят очень хорошо уважаемую и большую knifemakers всю линию на основе спорных тестов, проверяя количество miniscule его продукта, что Вы ожидаете? Вы думаете, что любой будет уважать Вас или тесты из-за этого? Если бы это было сделано в почтительной манере во-первых, возможно было бы обсуждение.
Срывать anothers славу и целостность, чтобы получить ваше собственное является Бессмысленным и Очень, очень неправильно, и я очень не хочу видеть хороший вред людей таким способом.

ВЫ ВСЕ, ВКЛЮЧАЯ NOSS4 ДОЛЖНЫ СТЫДИТЬСЯ ВАС НЕПОСРЕДСТВЕННО.

ТЕПЕРЬ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА ПОЗВОЛЬТЕ ЭТОМУ УМИРАТЬ, СНОВА ХОРОШЕГО ДНЯ!!!
 
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You Can Re-Read English As Well as Anyone else here.

I point you at exatc point where it happen - third paragraph, 8 min.
or something like that.

Its funny that you are so critical but are unwilling to answer a simple direct question.

You see, we have laws regarding what people can say and cannot say regarding someone elses business. What Noss is doing isn't anywhere close to that. So even if CRK did lose some business over this, Noss hasn't done anything wrong.

And that leads me to the most importan issue. If this did hurt CRK in some way, its NOT because of what Noss said, its because of what he did. Anyone can give an opinion. Usually they aren't worth very much. However documentary evidence is very valuable. We value what we see more than what we hear for obvious reasons.

Thats what went on here. So whether Noss was on record as saying CRK is crap is irrelevant. The folks don't care about that. And neither do you. If you did you'd be just as outraged every time someone gave an unfavorable opinion about ANY knife. However you dont. What you are miffed about is the fact that he may have exposed a flaw in a brand you prefer.

The reason I know this about you and most other objectors is that no one was screaming when Noss tested a busse, a scrap yard, a fallkniven, or even a rat. All I heard was "wow look at how tough those knives are".

Only when something breaks do the critics come out. Thats hypocrisy.
 
Its funny that you are so critical but are unwilling to answer a simple direct question.

You see, we have laws regarding what people can say and cannot say regarding someone elses business. What Noss is doing isn't anywhere close to that. So even if CRK did lose some business over this, Noss hasn't done anything wrong.

And that leads me to the most importan issue. If this did hurt CRK in some way, its NOT because of what Noss said, its because of what he did. Anyone can give an opinion. Usually they aren't worth very much. However documentary evidence is very valuable. We value what we see more than what we hear for obvious reasons.

Thats what went on here. So whether Noss was on record as saying CRK is crap is irrelevant. The folks don't care about that. And neither do you. If you did you'd be just as outraged every time someone gave an unfavorable opinion about ANY knife. However you dont. What you are miffed about is the fact that he may have exposed a flaw in a brand you prefer.

The reason I know this about you and most other objectors is that no one was screaming when Noss tested a busse, a scrap yard, a fallkniven, or even a rat. All I heard was "wow look at how tough those knives are".

Only when something breaks do the critics come out. Thats hypocrisy.

My My,You obviously have a high Opinion of yourself dont you?
and a low opinion of others, especially if their opinions differ from yours.
I wasnt perusing these topics when the others were tested, so how could you possibly know what i think. I was minding my own biz in other forums, mostly because of the lack of manners of people in other forums here.
Maybe you are using the same fact skewing machine that Noss is. I dont prefer CRK and i would respond the same if you guys had treated any of those other makers in the way youve treated CRK and, people posting in this Topic. Again the way you guys and Noss4 treat people , do you think they will respect you or your supposed tests for it? Maybe its a character flaw on your part, i dont know , but at least I'm willing to give benefit of doubt. I suggest you quit applying your own definition to things and really learn to look them up properly.

True we have laws regarding libelous actions, and my friend, i'm sure when people truly get tired of Noss4's shenanigans, that he will ultimately find out exactly what they are. If a few people looked around his site and here i'm sure there would already be cause for action.
Perhap knifemakers should boycott sending you guys knives until you are grownup enough to appreciate true facts, and can tolerate others and treat people better.

Like i've told you before, i've more than answered your questions you just have to quit browbeating people long enough to find the answers. and being the superhuman that you are , it should be no problem for you.

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I still think this topic needs to sink into the abyss, where it belongs.
 
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Has anyone said Chris Reeve makes bad knives in this thread? As far as I know Noss never said Chris Reeve makes bad knives. Over priced, maybe not as tough as it should be, but bad? No. Has the testing changed my opinion of Chris Reeve knives? No. If you like a design then you'll probably love the knife, even if you have to be a little more careful batoning with it.
It's not like knives breaking while being batoned is anything new.

If Noss has openly defamed CRK, I would like to see a quote.
 
Has anyone said Chris Reeve makes bad knives in this thread? As far as I know Noss never said Chris Reeve makes bad knives. Over priced, maybe not as tough as it should be, but bad? No. Has the testing changed my opinion of Chris Reeve knives? No. If you like a design then you'll probably love the knife, even if you have to be a little more careful batoning with it.
It's not like knives breaking while being batoned is anything new.

If Noss has openly defamed CRK, I would like to see a quote.
Noss4 said:
They are weak, fragile knives. The worst performers in the tests. If one wants a tough knife then look some where else than CRK.

I've even emboldened the defamation/libel,even without the test part, that is exactly what it is, In plain old kings english. If batoning knives is not an issue then it shouldnt be for the "Tests" And by the way people mouths get ahead of their brains. i'm sure i could find more in the ether. Good enough? or must i translate it to russian or hypocrite?
 
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Originally Posted by Twindog View Post
Don't blame Noss. Blame the industry for hiding behind its own hype.
+1000000

This reminds me of the glock koolaid that is so common on gunboards. Someone will post an incident where a failure occured and immediately the ad hominem dogs come out because there is no way that anything could ever be wrong with a glock. Gaston made it so its perfect. The same thing is going on here.

As far as the science junkies go, its ironic that those screaming the loudest only rely on anecdotal evidence whereas Noss has provided real documentary evidence. Guess what the scientific method thinks about anecdotal evidence.
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This is a perfect statement.

I can't understand what the fuss is over and why this post even exists. And how aggressive people are about the validity or lack there of with the destruction tests. I don't see anyone else that wines and calls them invalid do ANYTHING but that. Is it Simply Because they are Butt hurt because their specific knife brand Snapped like a twig when others did not?
And why is everyone whining about the "Science"? Hitting it with a mallet over and over can't really be calibrated. It reminds me of the U.S. Army testing for a Combat Shotgun. Between the Mossberg 590A1 and the Remington 870. One if the test was dropping the Shotguns off of a building over and over an seeing how it functions after. Wow!!! Thats SOO "Scientific". Almost like Batoning with a mallet. Does the gun land on the same side every time? how many times did it land stock first compared to barrel first? It's irrelevant. You will never know how the Gun will land when randomly dropped, Just like the Mallet. So it doesn't matter.
People probably won't use a mallet if Batoning anyway, But you sure as hell know for sure if it doesn't break with a Mallet it won't break with a piece of wood.
And Whining about "Knives are cutting tools". Well yeah.DUH:p And every destruction video I have seen he starts by showing the knife, describing it, the sheath, then cutting veggies or fruit, Rope, then cardboard ect.. So I wouldn't call it simply a destruction test to try to break the knife. He Covers Cutting as well.
Another thing not being mentioned by anyone, I don't think. Like it or Not, A LOT Of these knives are made to be WEAPONS. Like the Green Beret, It doesn't look to me to have much value in it's design then for Killing someone, Without the tip weakness of a Dagger, and a little utility in the belly. Cutting open your MRE or opening a box. So It's not a Surprise it Broke. It doesn't take away from it's beauty or it's effectivness when going into someone Subclavain artery right behind the collar bone.
I think the test are entertaining, and it's great to see Cheaper knife do better then "High speed operators tools". It's interesting and I don't see anyone else doing anything even close, Besides Hyped ads And amature reviews, in "Reviews and testing" that nobody seems to complain about. Maybe if Noss wore a Polo shirt and Khakis, with clear safety glasses would that help with the Whining and personal attacks?
One Of My all Time favorite brands, and you could actually say I'm a Cult like follower, Are Emerson. I love His designs an the way they feel in my hand, they are fast and great Back-up SD weapons if you have nothing else. BUT I'm pretty sure they will fail pretty bad under the testing conditions. The Liner lock is thin. they won't cut strait on card board.Other issues probably will be a problem But WTH? I open letter, a Box or 2, and Have a Perfect weapon if I needed it. When they fail in the destruction test, it won't bother me 1 bit, because I realize what they are made for and if I am going to chop wood, I'll use my ATC Tomahawk, or Geber sport ax. If I feel like JUST carrying a Knife into the field I'll carry one I know won't fail, Like My HellRazor, if I want a Smaller one I'll use a SRKW. AND As ALWAYS, I'll have My SMF In Lifters leather and ZT Boot dagger too.
Maybe I should see if I can Baton through a pipe with the ZT Dagger using My Baretta 92? That would be a cool test.:D
If you don't like the test DON"T WATCH THEM AND DON"T POST ATTACKS, DON'T POST ANYTHING!!!! Why waste your time bitching about it if it's so worthless? If you complain about the way tests are done DO YOUR OWN TEST AND POST IT. Otherwise keep quiet and knock off the personal attacks or do something better YOURSELF!!. Just MHO
 
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They are weak, fragile knives. The worst performers in the tests. If one wants a tough knife then look some where else than CRK.

I've even emboldened the defamation,even without the test part, that is exactly what it is, In plain old kings english. If batoning knives is not an issue then it shouldnt be for the "Tests" And by the way people mouths get ahead of their brains. i'm sure i could find more in the ether. Good enough? or must i translate it to russian or hypocrite?
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If thats what happened and "weak Fragile knives" is in direct comparison to the others tested the same way, I DO NOT See ANY Defamation. And it's actually all caught on tape for everyone to see. That ,like I stated before, does not take away from the beauty or ones personal preference in a knife.
As you can see it has to be FALSE, witch if taken in comparison with other knives tested it obviously is not. And an Opinion cannot be Defamation. I can post all over Youtube that Victoria's Secret Models are Ugly beasts all day long, and nothing can be said, except maybe I need new glasses.

DEFAMATION, n. The uttering of slanderous words with a view to injure anothers reputation; the malicious uttering of falsehood respecting another which tends to destroy or impair his good name, character or occupation; slander; calumny. To constitute defamation in law, the words must be false and spoken maliciously. Defamatory words written and published are called a libel.

If in Direct comparison to the other knives and Reeves claims of toughness I hardly call that Defamation. It's on tape if you want to see.
 
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