Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?

[just10minreader]

Hehe just to put on some more fuel, did you watch the new one Noss did, with the hickory butcher knife. He hammers it in to a 2x4 for an hour.
Being as thick as a mora or close any way, it does not snap in 2 ..........

hickory won't crack

 

[Nuke41]

From what I read I see again that you did not really see this video.
11. Tip test on metal - snaped off very tip few mm but no any serious non fixable, compare holes with holes from other knife. Reasonable test for survival knife.
So is it stupid and pointless destruction for entertainment, unrepeatable etc, etc, etc?

Yes, it is. I'll agree that some of the things he does are reasonable, but driving a knife tip through a piece of heavy cage metal? What in the hell kind of use is that? Why is he using a perfectly good knife as a pry bar or axe? And don’t toss out some fantasy scenario about cutting your way out of a burning plane or a sinking car. I used to hear young troops yack about cutting their way out a downed plane, I’ve watched firefighters cut helicopters open after hard landings and even with a full size axe that isn’t a very fast process, try cutting a man sized hole in a piece of sheet metal sometime with anything. The bottom line is I’ve never seen a perfect one-tool-does-it-all. That fella might as well test using his car as a pickup truck, it will be able to haul manure, but it won’t work very well.

 

[nozh2002]

Well it turns out that many knives stand this test and this did one as well. How practical this situation is - matter of debates, you just gave few examples yourself and this is perfect emergency situations which of course very rare and of course everything will go whatever you have around, and you can not have heavy axe on your body as you can for knife. But again most knives and this one as well passed this.

So I thins this is good test for tip, not for ability to cut out of helicopter, but for tip strength this is good and not at all absurd destructive test for entertaining only!

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[komondor]

so you can sling that stuff elsewhere.

Yeah, whatever. Give me a piece of spring steel from a leaf-spring suspension and I can sharpen that, too!

Don't tell me what a piece of metal can do. Any piece of any metal can do just about anything if you work with it. What I'm talking about is what the Busse E series was meant to be. Don't deny it. It's a thick chunk of 1/4" w/o any geometry grind to speak of.

It's a club.

Good way to derail the thread, however, komondor

In this case that would be like saying, "what a way to temporarily disrupt a fight."

 

[Cobalt]

Yeah, whatever. Give me a piece of spring steel from a leaf-spring suspension and I can sharpen that, too!

Don't tell me what a piece of metal can do. Any piece of any metal can do just about anything if you work with it. What I'm talking about is what the Busse E series was meant to be. Don't deny it. It's a thick chunk of 1/4" w/o any geometry grind to speak of.

It's a club.



In this case that would be like saying, "what a way to temporarily disrupt a fight."

by the way, where you been hiding, I haven't seen you rear your ugly head in years....

seriously, good luck with your stuff......

Oh, I'll make sure to tell all the custom knifemakers that you said how their 1/4inch-3/8 inch flat ground competition blades suck and can't cut

 

[busselover]

What I'm talking about is what the Busse E series was meant to be. Don't deny it. It's a thick chunk of 1/4" w/o any geometry grind to speak of.

It's a club.

Man, now you did it! Better get ready to be tusked, trampled and torn apart!

We BUSSE LOVERS don't like that kind of talk! Hog ATTACK!!!!!!!!

 

[Nuke41]

Any old timer would tell you that something 1/4" thick is a sharpened pry bar, not a knife.

 

[Cobalt]

Any old timer would tell you that something 1/4" thick is a sharpened pry bar, not a knife.

and any really, really, old timer would tell you that something 1/4 inch thick was a frontier or camp knife and quite popular in the 1800's, when you did not have access to a walmart on every corner.

Busselover, no need to turn this into something it's not. The issue is with thick versus thin. Funny thing is that the Reeves is 1/4 inch thick

 

[komondor]

and any really, really, old timer would tell you that something 1/4 inch thick was a frontier or camp knife and quite popular in the 1800's,

I think most blades back then were closer to 1/8". Skinning knives, camp knives, etc. I think even the bowie knives were less than 1/4". Some might have gotten to 3/16", but I doubt more than a few were 1/4". I could be wrong, though.

The issue is with thick versus thin.

Actually, the issue is with certain grinds and geometries. To me, the Busse E Series seems to be-- and I hate to use a cliche-- a sharpened prybar. It doesn't have a keen edge. It's like they stopped the flat grind geometry short, and put a short beveled edge on it as a second geometry.

Funny thing is that the Reeves is 1/4 inch thick

It's a 1/4" thick at the spine. But it's a lot thinner behind the edge. It's a hollow grind. Razors are hollow grinds, too. For a reason.

The Busse feels thick behind the edge. Their newer blades look a lot better. They look like they would slice very nicely. I wouldn't mind having one.

 

[Nuke41]

I think most blades back then were closer to 1/8". Skinning knives, camp knives, etc. I think even the bowie knives were less than 1/4". Some might have gotten to 3/16", but I doubt more than a few were 1/4". I could be wrong, though.

Exactly right, I dont have much in my collection from the 1700-late 1800s era, but I've looked at several blades in museums and friends collections from that era. 1/8" looked to be the most common thickness, and the bowies from then arent nearly as thick as the ones made today. A Confederate D guard with a 1/4" thick blade would probably weigh 3 pounds or more, the originals were much thinner than that. Most knives that forged this nation were probably simple belt knives with a 5" blade that was close to 1/8" thick, of course what really was the edged tool that did more on the frontier than anything else was a full length axe. I cant think of a old knife I've seen or a military issue knife that would hold up long to the "testing" y'all seem so fond of. I suppose on the frontier they didnt have much need to try to hack through a heavy gage section of sheet metal (not that today we have the need for it either). Of course back then men knew what tool to use for what purpose.

 

[dante]

Exactly right, I dont have much in my collection from the 1700-late 1800s era, but I've looked at several blades in museums and friends collections from that era. 1/8" looked to be the most common thickness, and the bowies from then arent nearly as thick as the ones made today. A Confederate D guard with a 1/4" thick blade would probably weigh 3 pounds or more, the originals were much thinner than that. Most knives that forged this nation were probably simple belt knives with a 5" blade that was close to 1/8" thick, of course what really was the edged tool that did more on the frontier than anything else was a full length axe. I cant think of a old knife I've seen or a military issue knife that would hold up long to the "testing" y'all seem so fond of. I suppose on the frontier they didnt have much need to try to hack through a heavy gage section of sheet metal (not that today we have the need for it either). Of course back then men knew what tool to use for what purpose.

How do you know if they did not break these knives frequently or wish they had something different? or they were 1/8" because they could not find a thicker stock? Maybe that was the only thing available to the general public back then.

They also use flintlocks and muzzle loaders, perhaps we should re-issue them since those men knew so much.

Maybe we should be using iron and brass knives because it was with those materials that great civilization were made.

I bet that you don't drive a Model T right?

 

[PatriotDan]

How do you know if they did not break these knives frequently or wish they had something different? or they were 1/8" because they could not find a thicker stock? Maybe that was the only thing available to the general public back then.

Knife blades were forged. They could be made to any thickness desired. Had there been demand thicker blades would have been made in larger quantities. I have to agree that in general blades were what I suppose could be called thin while some were thicker just like now. Thinner was more common due to practical reasons.

Im not sure if stock removal existed at all back then for edged tool manufacturing.

 

[dante]

Knife blades were forged. They could be made to any thickness desired. Had there been demand thicker blades would have been made in larger quantities. I have to agree that in general blades were what I suppose could be called thin while some were thicker just like now. Thinner was more common due to practical reasons.

Im not sure if stock removal existed at all back then for edged tool manufacturing.

Probably price. Scarcity was the norm those days, how much does a kitchen knife cost versus a 1/4" typical knife. And most of these knives were outdoor tools (food prep and woodwork leather work etc...). Most of the knives tested in the Noss videos are not outdoor knives. Most of them are touted for "Tactical use" were you are more likely to see concrete and metal than in a forest or jungle, they are geared for Law Enforcement and Military which see more unusual situations. Most modern people are not that knowledgeable in tool using as our ancestors so also the new designs tend to compensate for lack of knowledge and more brutal use. The modern day soldier has MREs so there is no need to prepare food like the old times. They are more likely to clear a jammed round with their knives (I know that is not the correct use but it happens) than skin an animal. I understand that most uses of a knife do not require a thick blade, I use my Leatherman Charge blade more than anything I carry and is still in one piece.

 

[Will York]

Why would you buy a knife that breaks when you hammer on it when you could buy a knife of about the same size and weight, comparably priced or less, with equal or better edge holding, that doesn't break when you hammer on it?

And why wouldn't you want to know which is which?

I appreciate Noss's efforts very much and his durability under gratuitous assault equally so.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Why would you buy a car that stops running when you pour motor oil in the transmission fluid, when you could buy a car that doesn't?

This is just silly.

 

[komondor]

Wow, it's been a long time since I've shared a thread with Phil. Howsit going?

Cliff Stamp abused the Project 1 in one of his tests. Does anyone remember the results? I know the thing didn't break in half. Then again, maybe he didn't beat on it too much. I think the edge chipped out in places, which is what I would expect with a hollow grind knife.

The blade edge is the only spot on the Project 1 that I always thought would be more vulnerable than the uber choppers like the Busses, Swamp Rats, and Rangers. I would like to see similar tests on another specimen of one-piece.

 

[akadave2]

Why would you buy a car that stops running when you pour motor oil in the transmission fluid, when you could buy a car that doesn't?

This is just silly.

Man, you define the word pissy. Let it go, you will feel better.

 

[dante]

Why would you buy a car that stops running when you pour motor oil in the transmission fluid, when you could buy a car that doesn't?

This is just silly.

Well, more like:
Let's run the car without motor oil to see how far does it goes and what breaks first. I would not do that to my car on purpose but it could happen. And if some one does it on a video on my particular model of car I would find it informative.

 

[Cobalt]

Exactly right, I dont have much in my collection from the 1700-late 1800s era, but I've looked at several blades in museums and friends collections from that era. 1/8" looked to be the most common thickness, and the bowies from then arent nearly as thick as the ones made today. A Confederate D guard with a 1/4" thick blade would probably weigh 3 pounds or more, the originals were much thinner than that. Most knives that forged this nation were probably simple belt knives with a 5" blade that was close to 1/8" thick, of course what really was the edged tool that did more on the frontier than anything else was a full length axe. I cant think of a old knife I've seen or a military issue knife that would hold up long to the "testing" y'all seem so fond of. I suppose on the frontier they didnt have much need to try to hack through a heavy gage section of sheet metal (not that today we have the need for it either). Of course back then men knew what tool to use for what purpose.

I have had several original style frontier knives. My thickest one was 1/4 inch almost 2 inch wide blade, 8 inches long. It had a huge brass rivet on front of the handle and small pins in the back. It was fairly common knife back then, and you see them pop up from time to time. They are unmistakable. I guess they are still around because they were so massive. I have had many in the 1/8 inch thickness and I have several in the 3/16. So like today there was great variation. I am sure the thinner cheaper ones were more common like the thin cheap china made bowies are today. Same kinda thing. But make no mistake, the fatties did exist. In fact there was many in the 3/8 inch thickness. I have not owned one but I have seen them. I am currently selling a USMC bolo knife and it is 1/4 inch thick with a nearly 3 inch wide blade. The blade is marked 1944.

So numbers can be skewed any way you want. So the old times I favor had thick blades. The old timers you favor did not.

 

[Cobalt]

here is a reproduction of the original. It lacks the large brass rivet and the blade seems more pointy, but this one is 1/4 just like the original.