Chris Reeve Destrution Test On Youtube?

[Karda]

I guess I'm old fashioned, but I come from a time when products were sold based on their merits. I believe in things like craftsmanship, integrity, and doing business on a handshake.

I understand times have changed, but that doesn't mean its been for the better.

I've been around quite a long time and my first question upon reading that statement was:
On what planet and time warp has this guy been living. Craftsmen have always used marketing to sell their wares.The only thing that has really changed is their are less people who will do business on a handshake.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Instead of giving speaches to protect some marketing fluffiness - do similar tests Noss4 are doing.

One of him is quite enough, thank you. Funny post though:thumbup:

 

[Thomas W]

I really didn't come here to choose sides and/or create any hard feelings (hope that's not the case), more just to address the manufacturer/individual hype question of which I'm not sure did too much good, but thanks for putting up with me anyway.

Anyway, carry on people (that means you to Noss).

 

[nozh2002]

Well, I consider personal attack like this as a ultimate sign that you have nothing else to say. Again CR knives fail those tests while other knives did not. I see you do not like this fact and you do not like it to the extent to get personal. However you do not have anything to prove that CR knives ar no weaker then all other knive tested.

You can call me or everybody else whatever you want - this will not make it different - CR knives fail those test while many other did not. You calling names will not make CR knives better.

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. This is what I was addressing "I think you guys need to give the big shoes, multi colored hair and bulb nose back to Noss4" but Karda is quite quick edit his posts...

 

[Karda]

It was in reference to an earlier post of mine, and i thought the better of it trying to be nicer.It's all a matter of perception and preference, something that we obviously dont agree on and all the browbeating in the world will never change. I honestly dont care wether CR's knive passed those tests or not, the "tests" and i use that term loosely here mean nothing to me. When you guys start makin knives, maybe then we'll talk more about perceptions. Until then.

 

[nozh2002]

It was in reference to an earlier post of mine, and i thought the better of it trying to be nicer.It's all a matter of perception and preference, something that we obviously dont agree on and all the browbeating in the world will never change. I honestly dont care wether CR's knive passed those tests or not, the "tests" and i use that term loosely here mean nothing to me. When you guys start makin knives, maybe then we'll talk more about perceptions. Until then.

I made few knives:

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Karda]

I made few knives:

Well, good on ya! Someone may like them though.
Which one are you sending to noss4 for testing?

 

[nozh2002]

When you guys start makin knives, maybe then we'll talk more about perceptions. Until then.

Well, good on ya! Someone may like them though.
Which one are you sending to noss4 for testing?

So this is your talk about perceptions?

And you are calling me clown... What an irony...

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Karda]

So this is your talk about perceptions?
And you are calling me clown... What an irony...

Youre the one who reposted it.
And my question was an honest one, dont expect others to do what you arent willing to yourself.
What would you like to say, i'm listening.
If it's more browbeating though, don't expect a response.

 

[STAGE 2]

CRK's has rare craftsmanship within their product, tons of integrity, and I'd trust Chris with a handshake any day, anywhere.

Well thats the rub. There are many people here who don't feel that CRK's products meet the craftsmanship standards that they claim.

Yo, T-Dub...just remember that most of these boys making the putdown comments DO NOT have the stones to step up to Chris or yourself in person to speak face to face, and articulate(as in easily understood in English) specific complaints.

Congratulations for making the most nonsensical post of the day. I don't own any CRK products, so what exactly could I complain about? The same goes for everyone who does own a CRK knife that hasn't broken. What is there to complain about? This has already been brought to their attention so talking to them isn't going to do anything. Last I heard they consider the matter closed (without a sufficient explanation might I add).

So dispense with the machismo and all this talk about stones and lets get back to reality.

The very nature of the internet removes a lot of accountablity, which is why I have always signed my name here, and use that name at shows....every punk that talks a big game goes running like a cockroach when the serious and no quarter is on the table.

Funny that you mention that because it would seem that this would be equally applicable to everyone thats posted here and made disparaging comments about Noss. Aren't they doing the same thing? In fact aren't they worse since they are personally attacking the man for what he does on his own dime in his own time? I haven't seen anyone here call Chris a fraud or an idiot or anything of the kind.

What I have seen is a large number of people wondering why two expensive knifes designed and marketed for hard use, failed so quickly when "lesser" products breezed right by.

 

[STAGE 2]

When you guys start makin knives, maybe then we'll talk more about perceptions. Until then.

So I need to have built a car to know that a ford pinto just aint cuttin it in the safety department? Do I need to have raced nascar to know that a corvette is going to outperform a honda civic? Again, the lack of logic is astounding and thats what really kills me the most.

You see, the reason I know that at the end of the day this is largely a brand loyalty thing is because of this. If before Noss ever tested his first knife I would have said that a Busse is tougher than a kabar, no one would have raised an eyebrow. Thats pretty much conventional wisdom. The more expensive knife should perform better.

The problem with CRK is that these results are bucking convention. Had I said before these tests that a cold steel knife would be tougher than a CRK, all of you would have said I was crazy. Well, we know now that its true and its been a thorn in the side of many a die hard CRK fan.

And believe me, I can understand that. I'd be pretty pissed as well if I spent all that money on a knife that was marketed for its toughness when I could have gone with maybe a scrapyard, RAT, or fallkniven and had twice the performance at half the cost.

For me personally I was ready to pull the trigger on a CRK shadow until I heard about this. Now its sitting at the back of the line until someone has a good explanation or Noss tests another CRK.

 

[Joshua J.]

I made few knives:

Thanks, Vassili.

Is that Bulat?

Very nice.

 

[Thomas W]

Thomas,

Why Kershaw will not step up and do some public testing for your knives leading industry once more this time for "Hype-Free" advertisement.

Vassili, as I have mentioned before, there is internal testing that goes on at Kai USA. As far a public testing, in truth it's just never come up. We inherently have a very conservative nature, and I'm unsure if public testing would go over internally. I also always hate to bring up the time issue, but the factory is at capacity at this time, and it seems difficult bringing on new time consuming projects. I won't say never, and will give it some thought.

Well thats the rub. There are many people here who don't feel that CRK's products meet the craftsmanship standards that they claim.

"Many" is a pretty general term, and you seemly want to be the spokesperson for this charge. And from someone that has never experienced a CRK first hand no less. I'll trust CRK's integrity and handshake are not in question here.

Look I understand, it's easy to have your mind made up for you from an individual youtube destruction vid that you can actually visualize vs. reading ad copy and hearing the accolades others speak.

After all, how can we really believe in the things we hope for, and be certain of those things we can't see?

 

[watchcollector1968]

Take Chris Reeve knives, Kershaw (ZT as well), Strider and all sorts of those types of knives. Military folks, Outdoorsmen/Campers and all kinds of other people use those knives daily and some use them pretty hard. They chug along year after year with their knives.

But wait, here comes somebody who can destroy them in minutes, so the knives must be falsely advertised CRAP....or....maybe its the user?

Silly tests of beating knives with a sledge and then screaming that it broke (SURPRISE!!) is in no way comparable to actual real world use.

Knives made for hard use, not silly misuse.

Give me a sledge big enough and I bet I can break any knife out there.

Still, I prefer to use my CRK knife hard and it does so with no complaints...I just have to be a hair smarter than the knife.

And no, Im not complaining about his tests...I fully support his right to toss money down a drain and break all the knives he wants...it just does absolutely nothing to show how one performs in real world use.

 

[Dog of War]

... as I have mentioned before, there is internal testing that goes on at Kai USA. As far a public testing, in truth it's just never come up. We inherently have a very conservative nature, and I'm unsure if public testing would go over internally. I also always hate to bring up the time issue, but the factory is at capacity at this time, and it seems difficult bringing on new time consuming projects. I won't say never, and will give it some thought.

Hi, Thomas. Good to see you venturing out from "Little Palermo" (Kershaw forum ) a bit.

Interesting to consider, as you know I've certainly reviewed and tested several Kershaw models for edge retention, quality of build, ergonomics, etc., and it's never occurred to me to test one of your knives for anything that might be considered extreme or abusive. I think there are two main reasons for that: first, Kershaw seems very reasonable in the claims made for its knives; and, second, the overall quality of your products, at least the ones I've used, is outstanding at the price point. Now maybe the ZT line or a model like the Outcast would cause some to wonder just how much abuse you could subject them to before experiencing breakage, but generally I'm sure there's a strong perception among customers for most of Kershaw's product line that the quality and value are there ... and besides, you don't seem to be going after the high-speed operator and covert de-animator market.

That's where I think some knife manufacturers and makers maybe invite some of this, whether directly or indirectly. With companies like Dark Ops and MercWorx out there with their over-the-top marketing, IMO it kind of sets a tone for at least a segment of the knife industry, and rightly or wrongly, some blade enthusiasts are going to challenge even the faintest suggestion that some beefy, tactical-looking blade is as tough as it might seem.

So anyway, I see Kershaw as handling this whole thing very wisely, simply by managing expectations. Can't really speak about CRK or many others, though I think the free and open nature of the internet is such that if somebody draws conclusions from testing that are unrealistic or unrepresentative, plenty of people are going to call them out and challenge what they've done ... as we see being done here. And that's what makes living in country with a First Amendment pretty cool. :thumbup:

 

[nozh2002]

Take Chris Reeve knives, Kershaw (ZT as well), Strider and all sorts of those types of knives. Military folks, Outdoorsmen/Campers and all kinds of other people use those knives daily and some use them pretty hard. They chug along year after year with their knives.

But wait, here comes somebody who can destroy them in minutes, so the knives must be falsely advertised CRAP....or....maybe its the user?

Silly tests of beating knives with a sledge and then screaming that it broke (SURPRISE!!) is in no way comparable to actual real world use.

Knives made for hard use, not silly misuse.

Give me a sledge big enough and I bet I can break any knife out there.

Still, I prefer to use my CRK knife hard and it does so with no complaints...I just have to be a hair smarter than the knife.

And no, Im not complaining about his tests...I fully support his right to toss money down a drain and break all the knives he wants...it just does absolutely nothing to show how one performs in real world use.

Wow it looks like screenplay - "evil Noss4 just breaking good knives". Should be screenpaly for scary move.

But this does not make CR knife pass Noss4 tests whoich other knives passed.
But this does not make CR knife better.

Why can not you in alternative to Noss4 tests, post on Yourtube evidence of hard use and all other words you put so nicely in your story? Talks are cheap - show us how CR knives stand hard use.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Thomas W]

Talks are cheap

Vassili, I don't think talk has to be cheap, and I don't think there needs to be destruction video for one's ware's to be validated. Lot's of manufacturers/individuals make crazy solid blades that that have no video evidence of their performance. But of course you already know that.

 

[nozh2002]

Vassili, I don't think talk has to be cheap, and I don't think there needs to be destruction video for one's ware's to be validated. Lot's of manufacturers/individuals make crazy solid blades that that have no video evidence of their performance. But of course you already know that.

In respont to Noss4 video - which is solid evidence, only another video should be presented, not this cry about evil Noss4 etc. Those knives clearly failed, and only retest on video can change this, not fairy tales about evil Noss4 and clowns surrounding him.

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Phil Elmore]

Actually, if I do something stupid and pointless in a YouTube video, the appropraite response is NOT another video of someone else doing something equally stupid and pointless, or even a video fo someone refusing to do something stupid and pointless.

The appropriate response to stupid, pointless YouTube videos is just what has been received -- messages that point out the stupid pointlessness of the aforementioned YouTube videos.

 

[thefifth]

I'd like to respond to the OP

Any opinions on this video and test?

I agree with this thread.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600896
I like to see the line of tolerance so I see value in these tests

Any idea what would cause the failure?

Pound the crap out of a knife with a hammer and this might happen

Are our One piece CRK's reliable for in the field use?

I think they would hold up quite well unless you Pound the crap out of a knife with a hammer

The video is called:
Chris Reeve Project I Destruction Test not Chris Reeve Project I Field Test
I think there is a reason for this

I love Chris Reeve Knives I would not have any problem with carrying one for field use.

 

[darthsoaker]

Well, when it's all wrapped up it comes down to these points.

1. A knife is cutting tool, and should be used as such.

2. Some manufactures make and promote so-called "tough" knives that have been considerably overbuilt for use as a simple cutting tool.

3. The only purpose for these knives to be overbuilt is for hard use, and even abuse.

4. To say these knives are designed as simple cutting tools would be foolish.

5. If all is needed is a cutting tool, pick up a SAK and a Mora, and you'll be fine.