Chris Reeve knives on (knifetests.com)

[OrdnanceBubbaUSMC]

Pretty much, even at the Exchanges pickin's are slim now. Most Marines, of whatever MOS, are rocking the issued bayonets or Ka-Bars just to stay uniform and keep in step with everyone else...after that you see Cold Steel and SOG mostly as far as fixed blades go.

Multi-tools are used 99% of the time in place of a pocket knife. Most people who used folders a lot, broke or just stashed away CRKT, Gerber, Buck, Kershaw, etc. and got Spyderco Enduras or Natives. Benchmades people had were the auto knives they got for cheap using the NSN and they just played with them.

A lot of guys are having tomahawks over there. In 2003 barely any, but a good amount by the end of 2004.

People buy what looks cool....if it lasts it lasts, if it breaks they maybe just try something else or go by a friends advice about what won't break. No expensive production or custom knives, too much gear gets left behind in crazy situations, misplaced in an area you are only staying in for a few nights or couple weeks, and fellow military members steal pretty often.

In the end I think it's just not fun to have the same old stuff, new designs and blade shapes are fun....they make us hold them and stare at them and want to play with them. We all know that basic old school carbon steel in a large drop point or clip point blade can do everything, but that's no fun.

 

[1kimo4u]

might i suggest more apprpriate ways of testing. here is one of the better tests for the green beret.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608769

 

[OrdnanceBubbaUSMC]

Read through the whole thing...Elen in post #55 on page 2 pretty much said what the deal is....

"There are many cheap (less than $ 50) knives that can do everything you've so far done in these field trials, and more. It isn't at all impressive that a 300 $ GB can do that stuff, too. If it couldn't do this stuff, the knife would be a complete disaster!"

"The problem with the GB isn't that it can't do basic knife tasks. It can. Any knife can. The problem is that it can't do them much better than many knives that are far cheaper. In fact, it can't even do them as well as some of these cheaper knives. That is a problem. To some folks at least. Like myself."

I feel the same as Elen....what did those tests prove, that it isn't a toy knife?

 

[just10minreader]

I strongly believe he is hitting them at an angle. I have watched the video several times, thats what I see. Plus the fact that he only tested the serrated models and hit them at that same bad angle, where did both break ??? The serrations. I have MANY CRK and this test in no way made me feel like I can not trust a CRK in a life threatening situation. I have not seen any tests where he picks on a plain edge blade.
The fact that he hides his face tells you something, and its not for protection. In one video, he is digging a hole with a knife, why do you need full face protection ?? I just dont care for the guy and the wacky way he intentially destroys knives just to have someone look at him. If I were the companies, I would not replace the knives after he destroys them as he voids every word in the warrenty whith his tests, yet in the end, he gets a new knife.....what a joke !!!

I can't find a quote right now, but for what its worth,
it was chris reeve who asked for the knife back so he could do a postmortem, and sent a replacement of his own volition.
noss never expected replacement under warranty.

 

[1kimo4u]

you have a beef with its cost. don't buy it.

ps-i can break any knife with a 3lb sledgehammer.

 

[Planterz]

Nozh is oddly silent...

 

[dingy]

I don't see why everyone is so touchy about this subject. If you own a particular knife that was broken in a certain way, just don't do that to your knife. If CR knives don't like hammers, then be sure and don't put a hammer on your blade. Personally I don't think I'd ever use a hammer on any of my blades.

But it's good to know the capabilities and limitations of your equipment.
Some say S30V isn't a good choice for larger blades, I don't know why though. I don't recall if Knifetests.com has tested any other S30V blades to compare. If other blades in the same steel lasted longer, perhaps it's the heat treat or blade shape/thickness?

I'm no expert on blade steel though.

you can check it out on the knifetests site , there have had a test of strider bt . strider bt is not as shit as ·······, you can find it

 

[Karda]

I can't find a quote right now, but for what its worth,
it was chris reeve who asked for the knife back so he could do a postmortem, and sent a replacement of his own volition.
noss never expected replacement under warranty.

IIRC, noss4's exact words were " we will see if they stand behind their product". It wasn't until issues about voiding the warrantee were raised that he changed his tune and said he didn't expect replacement. IMHO, if you are going to use a supposed "Test" to destroy a knife, you should eat the cost of it yourself and not expect manufacturers or people sending knives gratis to fund/subsidise the dreams of Youtube/internet fame.

 

[dingy]

Somehow I suspect that most have lost sight of the fact that knives are made for cutting, if you want to beat piss and pick-handles out of something ...buy an axe or hammer.

hi,man
i do non wanta agnoy you,
but the knife is not made only for cutting!!!!!
choping ,cutting batoning ,prying······
knife , is a multi-Purpose tool.
In referring the Kitchen knife, i gusse i am with you .

 

[no-one]

hi,man
i do non wanta agnoy you,
but the knife is not made only for cutting!!!!!
choping ,cutting batoning ,prying······
knife , is a multi-Purpose tool.
In referring the Kitchen knife, i gusse i am with you .

Nooo mate, YOUR knives are multi use tools....mine are for cutting.....and my axe is for chopping...and my hammer is......

 

[Morningveil]

Originally Posted by dingy
hi,man
i do non wanta agnoy you,
but the knife is not made only for cutting!!!!!
choping ,cutting batoning ,prying······
knife , is a multi-Purpose tool.
In referring the Kitchen knife, i gusse i am with you

Nooo mate, YOUR knives are multi use tools....mine are for cutting.....and my axe is for chopping...and my hammer is......

I think this sums it up. In this thread there seems to be the knife is just for cutting camp and there is the Farm-Tough/Survivalist knife camp. Like the North and the South, we will debate who's knife philosphy is the best for ages to come.

To each his own.

Don't Tread on Me.

Crk lost Rep to Farm-Tough/Survivalist knife camp, not necessarily to the collector-cut only camp or military folks.

And at this point (End of 2009) it is win-win because the Farm-Tough/Survivalist knife camp wants to see it gone and the folks in the just for cutting camp will see the value of their CRK go up.

 

[Eikowan]

A Lambo SUCKS as a grocery getter and it costs more than an '92 Taurus wagon, which is excellent at getting the groceries. The Lambo Sucks. Besides, I'm a cheap-ass or can't/shouldn't afford the Lambo, so I'll quickly justify my Taurus.

 

[hardheart]

You are absolutely right, Eikowan. I sure hope Lamborghini isn't advertising their cars as grocery getters, because they can't pull the job off very well.

 

[Eikowan]

Just show me tests that are realistic to conceivable survival situations/uses. I doubt I'll need to pull my sledge and bust up cinder blocks with the tip of my knife. I might, uh... you know, just hit the block with the sledge? But that's just me.

I doubt I'll have a need to drive it inches into solid wood then beat the hell out of it to try to break it (other youtube tests). The dude's tests simply go beyond the scope and are irrelevant to realistic survival situations. They simply show how much ludicrous abuse (in a uncontrolled test environment) various knives can withstand. The best made tools in the world can be destroyed when being misused/abused, it really is irrelevant.

But hey, if it means bragging rights of some odd kind, or helps someone make a decision, or maybe helps them justify what they have, it's all good.

(I should add, I don't have a horse in this race, my "survival blades" are RAT)

 

[Thorrg]

Lambos are expensive, can go faster than a taurus (if you go to racetracks), and looks cool.

Th CRK knife in question is expensive, can ???? something better than cheaper blade, and looks cool.

In order for that analogy to work (for me atleast) the CRK would need to do something better than average to a point where an average user wouldn't need it. That "thing" for the Lambo is speed. I don't know what it is for the CRK.

The CRK does look cool though. I probably wouldn't even come close to breaking it because I would baby it to the point of building a cradle.

 

[yerscattergun]

Just buy the superior Schrade version for $45 and be
done with it.

 

[theonew]

Rockwell hardness tests are completely absurd. Seriously who in a real life situation needs to put a little dimple on the side of their blade

 

[Broos]

I saw these tests and to me its like saying, lets redline a Ford engine and say it blows at 8K rpm, and then we redline a Chevy and it blows at 9K rpm, therefore the Chevy is a better engine.:yawn:

Pretty good analogy, except it would even be closer if you did that test with no oil in the engines, lose the dynamometer, and add a video camera. Then you can tell which engine is "better" by watching the video of the engines blowing up with no idea of how many rpm's they were subjected to, doing something they are not designed to do. To replicate these tests, you need to stay focused on a random test procedure with no measurements of factors that cause the failure.

And even that analogy does not consider the cumulative damage factor - testing a damaged sample to failure tells you only how that damaged sample fails. There is a reason why there is no real testing that tests products that are damaged.

And I will mention again that hitting hardened steel (knife spine) with hardened steel (an unfaced, hardened hammer) is something that has sent many boys who didn't know better to the ER over the years. Good way to lose an eye.

 

[theonew]

Pretty good analogy, except it would even be closer if you did that test with no oil in the engines, lose the dynamometer, and add a video camera. Then you can tell which engine is "better" by watching the video of the engines blowing up with no idea of how many rpm's they were subjected to, doing something they are not designed to do. To replicate these tests, you need to stay focused on a random test procedure with no measurements of factors that cause the failure.

I recall seeing a motor oil commercial that did something very similar :thumbup:

 

[Herr_Noobien]

And I will mention again that hitting hardened steel (knife spine) with hardened steel (an unfaced, hardened hammer) is something that has sent many boys who didn't know better to the ER over the years. Good way to lose an eye.

Perhaps that's why Noss wears a mask?