Chris Reeve Knives - The Emperor's New Clothes?

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A little off topic now, like Brian and Phil, the knife tests do absolutely nothing for me. But some enjoy, knock yourselves out if you get something out of it.

One of things I wonder about when I read the tired rationalizations for knife abuse such as, "when I need a fire fast and the poop is hitting the fan" type of posts, is how much time in the wilds the poster has actually spent. The reason I wonder is that I've always taken pains to be prepared and remain that way, that is look after my gear which is not losing it or breaking it because I just might need it tomorrow, or the day after, or the week after that.


And not get to where poop is everywhere by expending energy to think and stay out of trouble. Frozen hands and beating on things with a rock, well, that statement speaks volumes. I guess others do things differently.
 
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Well said Jimbo.

I have been using CRK products for years to cut. They cut well and are made well by a company that has taken care of me. It was founded by people I admire very highly. Never had had a blade chip or break.

As far as hype, I have known Chris and Anne for over a decade. Those who accuse them of hype, know not of what they speak.
 
jimbo@stn23 said:
A little off topic now, like Brian and Phil, the knife tests do absolutely nothing for me. But some enjoy, knock yourselves out if you get something out of it.

One of things I wonder about when I read the tired rationalizations for knife abuse such as, "when I need a fire fast and the poop is hitting the fan" type of posts, is how much time in the wilds the poster has actually spent. The reason I wonder is that I've always taken pains to be prepared and remain that way, that is look after my gear which is not losing it or breaking it because I just might need it tomorrow, or the day after, or the week after that.


And not get to where poop is everywhere by expending energy to think and stay out of trouble. Frozen hands and beating on things with a rock, well, that statement speaks volumes. I guess others do things differently.
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It may be well sad but out of point.

Before jumping into such conclusion, you probably should watch this tests, because this is absolutely not what you just sad.

There is very strong push to make it look like it is destruction for entertaining and fun, but this is not true. It is carefully conducted "Outdoor test" and whoever see it understand this.

All this outrage about something you never see, all this analogy is just does not work - this is very well conducted test.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
DaveH said:
Here's my favorite quote on the matter, from Sal at Spyderco:
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That post closed the issue permanently, as far as I'm concerned. CRK are not overpriced, and are not undeserving of their praise. The only people I've seen say otherwise are disgruntled forumites with a sour grapes complex or an overconfident regard for their own ignorant experiences.

The men who really know have spoken. Get over it and buy what you like.
 
Sharp Phil said:
Comments like that indicate a lack of maturity on your part, not mine -- but then, you're the self-proclaimed expert in logic, aren't you?

I notice your ability to write in English gets better or worse depending on how foreign you feel like pretending to be.
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I think you need to STFU until you can contribute something to this thread besides personal attacks against anyone who questions a CR product. You are also probably the last one in here who has any business commenting on levels of maturity.


PS: Before you ask, telling you to STFU was an OUTSTANDING contribution to this thread. ;)
 
J85909266 said:
That post closed the issue permanently, as far as I'm concerned. CRK are not overpriced, and are not undeserving of their praise. The only people I've seen say otherwise are disgruntled forumites with a sour grapes complex or an overconfident regard for their own ignorant experiences.

The men who really know have spoken. Get over it and buy what you like.
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It may have all this tolerance but did this improve performance? I do not think that we all should just stop discissing it permenantely any more because Sal speak up. Why? If this is an only what differs it - I am not impressed. I rather appreciate more Hamon's reply.

I still, like to here simple answer - what is edge thickness?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Vassili, just a quick question for you. You are a real cheerleader for Noss's "tests" and very quick to judge CR knives based on no experience yourself.

Many folks believe in not bashing a knife without first having tried it, so do you really feel that qualified to speak on something you have not tried yourself? Who knows, in real world use you might really like it.

Other than that you are trying to make yourself an expert on something you dont really know anything about.
 
nozh2002 said:
It may have all this tolerance but did this improve performance? I do not think that we all should just stop discissing it permenantely any more because Sal speak up. Why? If this is an only what differs it - I am not impressed. I rather appreciate more Hamon's reply.

I still, like to here simple answer - what is edge thickness?

Thanks, Vassili.
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I'm a relatively new Sebenza owner and I'll try to give my opinion. Performance wise - No, I don't notice performance difference from my cheaper ~$100 knives from Benchmade or Spyderco. I'm not an outdoorsy type so I probably don't use my knives to their full potential. IMO what you're paying for with this particular CRK knife is the manufacturing quality and customer service. I'd say it's a little overpriced for what you get but I don't regret the purchase. Don't have any experience with their other knives so can't say much about those.

It's just a knife, it's designed to cut things like any other pocket knife. There is only so much you can do to sharpen a blade.
 
watchcollector1968 said:
Vassili, just a quick question for you. You are a real cheerleader for Noss's "tests" and very quick to judge CR knives based on no experience yourself.

Many folks believe in not bashing a knife without first having tried it, so do you really feel that qualified to speak on something you have not tried yourself? Who knows, in real world use you might really like it.

Other than that you are trying to make yourself an expert on something you dont really know anything about.
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I state many times already - only thing I want is to have intellegent discussion here. Discussin knives I would point specifically.

As I noted before many CR customers tend to discuss rather opponents, and this is only what I point out. I does not hate CR knives. I am trying to make my opinion, but in replay to my question - What is so special I here thomething like what you just wrote. Sometime it is "Homo", for some reason, sometimes it is about me being cheap, but only Hamon give me some information I am looking for.

If you do not mind - may you quote me on any "bashing" of CR knives which you think I can not afford? I am asking becase I did not bash it - just wondering what make you think so (I assume you make you opinion based on my posts, not what someone else).

To me you guys got angry for no reason and can not really see clear what is this discussion about.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
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Twindog said:
0.0175 inches at top of edge bevel mid blade
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Thanks, this is really good. But not unique - Currahee has 0.015" may be little less. But again - this is actually make Sebenza different and affect performance and sharpening as well. This is real sign og top quality knife to me.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
I state many times already - only thing I want is to have intellegent discussion here. Discussin knives I would point specifically.

As I noted before many CR customers tend to discuss rather opponents, and this is only what I point out. I does not hate CR knives. I am trying to make my opinion, but in replay to my question - What is so special I here thomething like what you just wrote. Sometime it is "Homo", for some reason, sometimes it is about me being cheap, but only Hamon give me some information I am looking for.

If you do not mind - may you quote me on any "bashing" of CR knives which you think I can not afford? I am asking becase I did not bash it - just wondering what make you think so (I assume you make you opinion based on my posts, not what someone else).

To me you guys got angry for no reason and can not really see clear what is this discussion about.

Thanks, Vassili.
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Ok, i'm going to sit at home tonight, with a scotch, and i'm going to 'whittle' some hair...with a Sebenza, just for you.
 
In reading the last 8 pages of comments, it appears that there are 2 separate threads in one.

The first is about Chris Reeve knives in the reliabilty area (with Pro CRK, and Con CRK members throwing jabs at one another), and the second in the "Why would you want a Sebenza?".

I have a CRK Fixed Blade (a rare one evidently), and have handled several Sebenzas. The knives are plain, but that is what appeals to most people. It doesn't have the bells and whistles like some of the newer fixed and folders. I also have various other knives(Fixed/Folder, and Custom/Off the Shelf) from many other manufacturers.

Everyone is beating up or praising Knife Tests for the failure of the Chris Reeve Knives. It's a toss up for me because the knives that he/they tested are a mixed bag of custom and off the shelf knives. From a metalurgical stand point, they could have been a bad batch of steel (it's been known to happen). My understanding is that the metal/steel used in the Chris Reeve knives tested has particular heat treating issues (has to be done a certain way, or the batch is toast). Chris Reeve acknowledged that the steel failed, and is probably working on a solution. I don't plan on ever taking any knife to the limit that Knife Tests will, and will take their findings with a grain of salt. What Knife Tests does to the knives borders on abuse. I bought the knife for it's interesting design (one piece hollow handle). I understand many real world people use the fixed blade and folder knives with great success. It seems that after the Knife Test videos, Chris Reeve knives can't spread butter. It's amazing what media will do to companies.

If you have to be convinced on buying a Chris Reeve knife, then maybe it's not the knife for you. If the knives were so bad, why are they still in business? PR will only carry you so far, your products will do the rest.

My .02
 
I own three Sebenzas and have never had an issue with any. All super well made, razor sharp, lock like a vault. Still fail to see how someone could cut themselves thru the back of this knife???? Must have some freakish fingers:eek::D I even tried and these sausages couldn't get thru:D
In all seriousness Sebenzas are like Striders or any other top name brand. They are not for everybody, you either like the knife or you don't, and move on to another brand that suits you. No need to bash them just pick another brand.
Best regards

Shike
 
Ok Nohz...you quoted my post and then went on to reply to it. Keep in mind, I did not call you a "homo".

I also did not state at all anything about whether you could or could not afford one.

You did manage to avoid my actual question though.
 
man, this thread is like a train wreck

OP started off with a reasonable question...

then he got hammered....

then the hammer-ers got hammered...

then someone got called a name, then somebody got ignored

then someone called someone else another name...

then a mod warning....then some more name calling....then another mod warning...

then someone quoted
Sal​

then someone said STFU...

and i tell you what...


THIS IS THE BEST THREAD EVER!!!!



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