Cloak & Dagger Exotica

Voodoo Child,

That's a great link. Seems like the perfect choice for today's urban dweller.
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Now all I need is two grand for that Millennium model...
 
thanks for the link to the goth catalog btw
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I was looking for the finger armour that they have and didnt want to spend 50.00 for a taiwan ripoff but now after seeing that bear claw.. yummy.. derailed attention span.

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I think I am going to, in the next week, scan these and other covert weapons and put them in here again and eliminate these pics. Photopoint is a little tricky with scanning as you can get too much detail and Photopoint cannot handle it.

There will be more neat stuff and it will be much more clear.
 
Nice. I can't really make it out from the pic, but is the item on the top the Crawford devil dart? If so, what do you think of them? The one in the middle looks really deadly. I don't doubt the efficiency one of those would have in close quarter combat.

[This message has been edited by VOODOO CHILD (edited 12-15-2000).]
 
No, I have a couple of Crawford's Devil Darts which he sort of patterned after this one.

All three of the weapons in the picture above are reproductions from H.G. Long & Co.

SOE/OSS Sleeve Dagger.

Clements BC-41 Commando Knife.

Fairbairn/Sykes Commando Knife.
 
I have the cheap taiwan copy of the top spike.. mine is a Jaguar. Made for it's job n cheap to throw away. If you want a devil dart there is a cheap one (?) on the forums now. I personally always questioned the effectiveness of a knife that trapped your fingers like that if you fall or hit somethign hard you are bound to break your hand.. I guess though tthat you hae to make the first shot the last
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sniperboy:
I personally always questioned the effectiveness of a knife that trapped your fingers like that if you fall or hit somethign hard you are bound to break your hand.</font>
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The Knuckles? The secret to using metal knuckles to hit with is to not hit with them the way most people punch. If you punch with a downward, "rolling" manner, like JKD's "Straightblast," like a hammerfist almost but with the knuckles, there is hardly any chance of breaking your hand at all.

The Clements BC-41 Commando Knife above differs greatly from other "Knuckle Knives." The blade was reversed for throat cutting from behind, which also means that in reverse grip, it is a very strong defensive/offensive weapon for Pekiti-Tirsia folks and those that fight in that manner. They should have made the blade full double edged, this knife would have been perfect.

The Clements might look heavy and bulky, it is not. It is very light and fast, primarily because the knuckles are much lighter and smaller than the other Brass Knuckle Knives...

 
good call.. I guess this knif ewas desined more as a brass knuckle witha surprise than as a knife witha brass knuckle. and I have learned the hard way how NOT to work a brass knuckle too
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and I thought there was somethign strange with that blade.. thanks for clarifying that Sir Don.

I guess my mindset was with larger fantasy blades with all those finger loops. Those things will break yer fingers for sure.

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Although I don't own it, and I'm not sure if it has any historical significance, I always thought the push pick was pretty cool.

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Pat Crawford actually told me a neat little story once about that particular item being preferred by a Customer of his that was a Federal Agent. Said something to the effect that everytime he was ever searched, people really didn't pay that item any mind at all. And I do believe he actually used it once in defense as well while undercover.

I like it, you can use it two different ways or just use it like a Fistload.

We think alot alike.
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Great minds think alike
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Even though this may not be the busiest of forums, it is one of my favorites. Aside from this place and the tactics & training forums you can't talk about weapons without some politically correct jack a$$ on your case. I tend to wonder about people like that, and how they managed to live their life so naive. I guess it all depends on what you've experienced, and perhaps they haven't experienced much(ignorance is bliss). I'm done ranting now, but I'm pretty sure you guys know what I'm talking about.
 
It is getting to the point where you can't really get into a conversation about some weapons in the Tactical Forums either...without having someone remind you, "You know, you will go to jail for that."

Or, you'll get sued, whatever...

 
Don Rearic

I know exactly where you're coming from. It seems some people are concerned about carrying knives that look "tactical". Personally I don't give a damn how scary a knife looks as long as it will do what it was intended for. For example my commander could be percieved as scary looking but it won't stop me from carrying it. Many talk about the repercussions that may occur after they've used the knife in self defense. However some fail to realize that when you're in a situation that requires self defense, a knife that is quick and aggressive, is better than one that is not. I'm not saying everyone should carry a commander, I'm just saying if a certain weapon works for you (and is legal, preferably) carry it. I think jail or getting sued is a better alternative than death. A box cutter is more PC than a commander but I don't care.

Stupid laws and ignorant cops only help criminals. I can't support anything I don't agree with. If the damn law makers have their way outlawing everything by convincing people that it will bring crime down, the criminals will have weapons (they are criminals, and will do criminal acts to get weapons) and we will be down to tactical toothpics
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I'm not trying to convince anyone here, because I'm pretty sure we're all of the same mindset, I just had to get that off my chest.

sniperboy

"like minded drinking buddies" definitely describes the people in this forum
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If you guys ever happen to be in Ontario, Canada, drinks are on me
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[This message has been edited by VOODOO CHILD (edited 12-21-2000).]
 
In a progression we have;

1. Tekna [Security] Credit Card Knife.

2. JSP Credit Card Blade.

3. JSP Credit Card Blade with Clip & Wallet.

4. JSP Omega Series Blade(s) & Wallet.

5. SpyderCard.

6. SOG Access Card.

7. MicroTech Credit Card.

I play pretty even in this Forum, and I say this without prejudice. As a lightning fast self-defense weapon, you get no faster or effective in the genre than #3 & #4. They are fixed blades with carry rigs, one movement if the wallet is in your hand, it is active and alive.

As tools, any of the three "Cards" you mentioned will do well.

The slight edge going to the SpyderCard in the folding department because it has the ability to pierce easier than the others.

As a flat, liner locked carry piece thrown in a jacket pocket, any of the three will do again, with a slight edge going to the SpyderCard for the same reason above.

As a flat, folding knife, it will not print as much, if at all, compared to even very slim, "conventional" folders.

If you are carrying them in your wallet, they are not fast to deploy for defensive use. They then become a Last-Ditch weapon.

I know you are streetwise Smoke, and I know alot of other people are that come in this Forum. In many ways, we are more realistic, pragmatic, and possibly even pessimistic and a touch of paranoid...more than most other people that haunt BladeForums.Com. In other Forums within the Beast.

If anyone is serious about their safety, they should have one of these in their wallet and one somewhere in their jacket, boot, wherever you can hide it and secure it.

Every once in awhile, you hear of someone being tied up and thrown into a closet in their own home, a back room of a store or restaurant...or the trunk of your own car.

Some are going to read that and say..."This guy is a paranoid, freakass..." Well, I intend on being the guy that survives in the end.

If you knew you were in deep feces, and just as you are mulling it over in your head, "Should I try to take this guy's gun from him? Is he going to kill me?" All of the sudden, the lights go out.

You feel like crap, you smell exhaust and wake up in the trunk of your own car. What do you do?

They might have searched you, etc., carry your money in a damned money clip. It is likely they will not search much further if they find that.

What do you do in the trunk of a car?

This is where neat little things like SwissCards, SpyderCards, SOG Access Cards and the MT Card...as well as Photon Lights come in. If you are restrained, cut the restraints. Cut the lights to the back of the car...any you can find.

Sooner or later, some LEO is going to pull them over at night, or because the brake lights or turn signals are not working.

Or, whoever kidnapped you is not going to expect you to be ready to rock with a razor in your hand when they pop the trunk.

These things are not anomalies. They still happen. Buy stuff and stash it in your car, etc...stash it on yourself.

As for the LaGriffe. I think the LaGriffe is about the most effective neck knife that has been created yet. Bar none. I have three of them! If you are wondering about defensive use more than anything else, get the LaGriffe.
 
Thanks Don. The SOG Access Card attracted me in terms of grip and Arc Lock, I see good scalp cut potential and security the Spydercard doesn't have. The Microtech looks to have some potential too but carbon fiber is for looks not grip IMO.

No doubt go with the Omega or the Photon IIs. Course, I'd be like Gaucho and try to wear the sucker ala Drawpoint. I admit I'm torn between that and the Spyderco Chinook. Oh sweet 440V. So I must appease my craving with a LaGriffe
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In all seriousness, being called "paranoid" is a compliment too. I say this after a homeless drug addict decided to walk in during my high school English class and give us a lecture and a few encounters with unstable folks during Mass.

Now what to do about this curiousity about hook blades.
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