Cold Steel= flat out liars

Trent Rock said:
Buyer Beware (i can't remember the latin phrase off the top of my head)
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Caveat emptor.

shecky said:
The most ridiculous criticism that always seems to be regurgitated is "CS doesn't make knives", a charge that can be leveled against most of Spyderco's best selling lineup.
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Many knife companies contract out some of their manufacturing. The good ones, like Spyderco and Benchmade, watch the quality as carefully in their offshore lines as in their domestic. Others, like Cold Steel. manage to produce reasonable quality across the board, but it does vary unpredictably from model to model.
 
But Sal is a respectable person who does not make exaggerated videos or resort to mean-spirited advertising against other knife-makers.

Cold Steel's market is more the masses rather than the knife-nuts. While Cold Steel has some interesting stuff they get made, I will not buy any Cold Steel products.
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I've bought several CS products that turned out to be perfectly good. In my eyes, that makes LT respectable.

Many knife companies contract out some of their manufacturing. The good ones, like Spyderco and Benchmade, watch the quality as carefully in their offshore lines as in their domestic. Others, like Cold Steel. manage to produce reasonable quality across the board, but it does vary unpredictably from model to model.
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If you want to argue about the quality of CS products, I think that may be legitimate. But charging that, in and of itself, that CS doesn't manufacture knives is supposed to be a bad thing, is silly.
 
I will buy a Cold Steel knife as soon as Rosie ODonnel opens a Gun and Knife SuperStore rivaling that of Bass Pro Shops. ;) hey, It could happen!
 
shecky said:
I'm always amazed at how whiney folks around here can be when it comes to Cold Steel. It really is ridiculous.

The most ridiculous criticism that always seems to be regurgitated is "CS doesn't make knives", a charge that can be leveled against most of Spyderco's best selling lineup.
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Why would you drag Spyderco into this? Does Spyderco own and operate a factory in the USA that manufactures knives? Does Cold Steel? Do you really think that the Spyderco, USA, factory made, S30V Native is a poor seller for them (remember, they sell them at WalMart)?

In my opinion, you don't know what the heck you're talking about!
 
When I read the advertising on the Cold Steel site I find that my BS detector is constantly going off. It doesn't matter to me, because I have the ability to filter it.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Why would you drag Spyderco into this? Does Spyderco own and operate a factory in the USA that manufactures knives? Does Cold Steel? Do you really think that the Spyderco, USA, factory made, S30V Native is a poor seller for them (remember, they sell them at WalMart)?

In my opinion, you don't know what the heck you're talking about!
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Because Spyderco does the exact same thing that CS gets crap for. They do manufacture some knives. But they seem to farm out most to various Asian countries. Delica, Endura, Salt, you know... all those obscure Spydies nobody ever buys.

If it's a bad thing for CS to farm out production of their products, why isn't it bad for Spyderco, or any of the other companies that give so many forum members such warm fuzzy feelings?
 
shecky said:
I've bought several CS products that turned out to be perfectly good. In my eyes, that makes LT respectable.
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I'm sure that several people here had deals with ARtsig1 that turned out to be perfectly good. I guess he's a respectable guy.

shecky said:
If you want to argue about the quality of CS products, I think that may be legitimate. But charging that, in and of itself, that CS doesn't manufacture knives is supposed to be a bad thing, is silly.
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What is "silly" to you may be important to someone else.
 
shecky said:
Because Spyderco does the exact same thing that CS gets crap for. They do manufacture some knives. But they seem to farm out most to various Asian countries.
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Contradictory, wouldn't you say? Once again, does Cold Steel manufacture ANY knives? Do they have a factory? Does Sal Glesser call out other knifemakers on his website and in his published works?

shecky said:
If it's a bad thing for CS, why isn't it bad for Spyderco, or any of the other companies that give so many forum members such warm fuzzy feelings?
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Why don't you, instead of trying to lump Spyderco in with Cold Steel, answer some of the questions I've been asking? When you do, you'll realize your whole argument is "silly".
 
Who is ARtsig1?

3Guardsmen said:
Contradictory, wouldn't you say?
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No. Unless Spyderco manufactured all their knives in house. But they don't.

3Guardsmen said:
Once again, does Cold Steel manufacture ANY knives? Do they have a factory? Does Sal Glesser call out other knifemakers on his website and in his published works?
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Why does it matter? If Spyderco decided to stop making US produced knives, would that make the rest of their line bad? And if CS decided to make a couple models under their roof, would you change your mind?

Is it not better to criticize knives on their own merits?


3Guardsmen said:
Why don't you, instead of trying to lump Spyderco in with Cold Steel, answer some of the questions I've been asking? When you do, you'll realize your whole argument is "silly".
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It seems perfectly reasonable to lump Spyderco with CS on this point, because they engage in the same practice. If you criticize one, you must criticize the other.

Of course, the practice isn't limited to CS or Spyderco. But it seems the latter is warmly respected by many forum members despite doing the same thing as CS. As a result, it makes for an especially noticeable hypocrisy.

Any more questions?
 
shecky said:
Who is ARtsig1?



No. Unless Spyderco manufactured all their knives in house. But they don't.



Why does it matter? If Spyderco decided to stop US produced knives, would that make the rest of their line bad? And if CS decided to make a couple models under their roof, would you change your mind?

Is it not better to criticize knives on their own merits?




It seems perfectly reasonable to lump Spyderco with CS on this point, because they engage in the same practice. If you criticize one, you must criticize the other.

Of course, the practice isn't limited to CS or Spyderco. But it seems the latter is warmly respected by many forum members despite doing the same thing as CS. As a result, it makes for an especially noticeable hypocrisy.

Any more questions?
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You didn't bother to answer my questions, so I will return the favor. FWIW, there are several other knife companies (that are also well liked on the forums) that do not manufacture any of their own knives. You would have been well served to use one of them to debate the "noticeable hypocrisy" on these forums, but instead you've chosen to fixate on Spyderco, a manufacturer that doesn't meet the criteria.

Regards,
3G
 
besides all the bs ads and what not coldsteel sometimes puts out a decent knife..

take for example the bushman... i've had this thing for oh... around 2 years... its been beaten time and time again and has proven it self the whole 30 (CAD) bux i spent on it..

i must say that stabbing through car hoods and what not is a bit over-rated (i love it when lynn comes out in the end and slashes up cardboard people.. just makes me laugh everytime :D) however it does appeal to a certain share of the market....

many will state that the SRK (wish i had one) is one of the best knives they've ever owned...

so besides the bs ads and upselling i'd say that they put out some ok stuff...

cheers
 
3Guardsmen said:
You didn't bother to answer my questions, so I will return the favor. FWIW, there are several other knife companies (that are also well liked on the forums) that do not manufacture any of their own knives. You would have been well served to use one of them to debate the "noticeable hypocrisy" on these forums, but instead you've chosen to fixate on Spyderco, a manufacturer that doesn't meet the criteria.

Regards,
3G
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Which question? Does CS make knives? Not that I know of. But that is neither here nor there, because making a knife in house does not mean it's a good knife.

You've chosen to fixate on CS, for doing the exact same thing that Spyderco does. Yet when Spyderco does it, it's good. Does the fact that a Delica is made in Japan make it a bad product? I'd say not. So why it it bad that CS makes anything in Japan, or China, South Africa?

You've chosen to become defensive over Spyderco's manufacturing practices. A practice I have no problem with, BTW. If I concede that many companies do the same thing (which I do), would your feeling be less hurt?
 
Spyderco knives= knives do most of the talking

Cold Steal= LT does most of the talking

Spyderco has a budget line marketed as such, no hype. Cold Steal budget line is marketed as superior to lightsabers, sacred Imperial Katanas and Nitroplox lasers. (there is some humor in the comment for those thinking taking me to the octagon ;))
 
shecky said:
Which question? Does CS make knives? Not that I know of. But that is neither here nor there, because making a knife in house does not mean it's a good knife.

You've chosen to fixate on CS, for doing the exact same thing that Spyderco does. Yet when Spyderco does it, it's good. Does the fact that a Delica is made in Japan make it a bad product? I'd say not. So why it it bad that CS makes anything in Japan, or China, South Africa?

You've chosen to become defensive over Spyderco's manufacturing practices. A practice I have no problem with, BTW. If I concede that many companies do the same thing (which I do), would your feeling be less hurt?
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Shecky,

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your argument. However, you must understand that many forumites, me definitely included, see a knife company that has their own factory/shop as a big plus. Running a shop allows a company to have a more "hands on" perspective as it relates to their wares. Manufacturers build things, whereas marketing firms market things. Can you at least sort of understand?

Regards,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
Shecky,

I can see where you're coming from and I understand your argument. However, you must understand that many forumites, me definitely included, see a knife company that has their own factory/shop as a big plus. Running a shop allows a company to have a more "hands on" perspective as it relates to their wares. Manufacturers build things, whereas marketing firms market things. Can you at least sort of understand?

Regards,
3G
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I can see that point. But I think it is wanting. AFAIK, even Spyderco started manufacturing knives from the very beginning in Japan. Domestic in-house production began later. Would you write off their first models because they didn't have their own shop?

I agree, it's probably a good thing for a knife manufacturer to have lots of "hands on" experience. But the end result is what should be judged, not the experience of the maker.

Furthermore, CS seems to be a bit more than a marketing firm (which I sense you mean to be derogatory). They also seem to design at least a few knives. Arrange to have them manufactured. And sell them. The same thing Spyderco does with many of their models.
 
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