Cold Steel= flat out liars

The San Mai version of the Cold Steel kukri looks like it is probably a good knife, but like all their San Mai knives, it is in my opinion over priced, even at the approximately $350.00 you can get it for.

The regular version, at under $100.00, looks like it is probably a pretty good buy.

As far as CS being liars is concerned, is anyone really surprised? I have seen Bose advertise that their Wave Radio has the finest sound that you can get. Not even close. This kind of advertising is done by many companies, and I have come to expect it. Since I have the ability to recognize when someone is feeding me a line of bull, that kind of advertising doesn't bother me.
 
puffery is legal, if 'heaviest on the market' is vague enough, the FTC doesn't care. Most exaggeration is extreme enough to where there is no complaining. Though, I am disappointed when I don't regularly see bikini-clad women wrestling in public because the beer has such an awesome taste.
 
I think the one thign that cold steel does that really gets under peoples skin is put down other companies...listen I udnerstand it a buisness and that what people do in most areas of sales everywhere...but the knife world is a bit different in that no one besides them specifically sais their knives are better than anyone elses...unlike other products like soda, beer, shoes, etc...The knife world...is by far a nicer enviroment for companies goign against eahc other, not much put dowsn at all, each companies just explains why they make nice knives, but for the most part they dont say better than others...they just say theirs are good...
 
For what little it's worse.

I have been playing with a recently purchased CS Vaquero... Large size.

It's one of the most impresive knives I have ever owned as far as cutting ability (Owning Spydercos, Kershaws, Buck/Strider, Strider...)

The knife is abs. scary to use on a denim jacket.

Lock is rock solid.

Handle is what it is, but it is ergonomic in my hand and conforms to the odd blade shape.

This is my first exp. with CS vg1- and so far I am happy with it, at least on a serrated blade... I am not so big a fan of serrations... Even the Spyder-edge... But, I cannot fault this blade for the way it slashes.

Politics aside (And I am not politician) this knife is a fine product and great performer for the price.
 
SlamFire said:
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But what really is shown in this thread is that no matter what Cold Steel does, the Clan of Cold Steel Haters will revile and hate Cold Steel. They simply manufacture their own reasons to justify their hate. :yawn:
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This thread is a perfect example.:mad::mad:

I have two CS knives, a Master Hunter, and a SRK, both in Carbon V, and they are truly excellent knives. Perhaps they do sell junk as well, but I've never personally experienced it.

As long as the knives that I buy are worth more than I paid for them in performance, I don't care what the company's advertising team does, or what the sexual orientation of the owner is, or what their politics are. I just care if I got my money's worth. With both of my CS knives, I feel that I got MORE than my money's worth. (I wish that I could say the same for Buck, Gerber, K-Bar, Case and a few others)

I wish the moderators would lock down these threads as soon as they start, since they add nothing to intelligent discourse.

It also is quite disappointing and heartbreaking to me that very knowledgeable members whom I have come to respect, and hold in very high esteem see fit to engage in this nonsense.:(

Ben
 
Ben Dover said:
As long as the knives that I buy are worth more than I paid for them in performance, I don't care what the company's advertising team does, or what the sexual orientation of the owner is, or what their politics are. I just care if I got my money's worth. With both of my CS knives, I feel that I got MORE than my money's worth. (I wish that I could say the same for Buck, Gerber, K-Bar, Case and a few others)


Ben
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Your missing the point, I think people could care less if lynn was a homosexual or a right wing nut-job. Tony marfione is a tad bit eccentric and people still buy microtechs.

The thing is though that hes a plague on the knife community.

Back before i knew much about knives i bought an SRK, its a good knife. so yes he may make a few decent knives.

But y would you want to give money to a company owned by a man who slanders other knife makers, demonifies knives as weapons, and in general is a leech.

http://www.coldsteel.com/80ft.html

I dont know mick. but lynn saw fit too take a shot at him in a public venue in this way. thats a real ass move.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/csstoreonline/Karambit.pdf

lynn went from that to this: http://csstoreonline.stores.yahoo.net/49ks.html :jerkit:


So either he was talking out his a@@ to undermine other knife makers and a ligitimate knife style. Or he comprimised his own values and beliefs to turn a buck. Either way your supporting that kinda behavior whenever you buy a knife from coldsteel.

Its your own personal decision wether to buy from him or not.

P.S why do people whine about people whining? that doesnt make sense.
 
Mr, Razor,

I think Mr. Ben summed it up for you.

He does not care what is said by one person about another in the industry or how many times they change their direction to make money.

He only cares how it effects him and his want for the knives he wants.

That is very Clear.

You have chosen to make moral judgments and will only deal with people that seem moral or principled to you.

Mr. Ben has no such restrictions so he is free to pursue his interests without any care for a persons integrity.

His is the much easier path.

You should just accept that and not worry about what he chooses to do.

His life is far less complicated than yours. You expect people to have integrity and he does not care.

Jim
 
razorsdescent said:
Your missing the point, I think people could care less if lynn was a homosexual or a right wing nut-job. Tony marfione is a tad bit eccentric and people still buy microtechs.

The thing is though that hes a plague on the knife community.

Back before i knew much about knives i bought an SRK, its a good knife. so yes he may make a few decent knives.

But y would you want to give money to a company owned by a man who slanders other knife makers, demonifies knives as weapons, and in general is a leech.

http://www.coldsteel.com/80ft.html

I dont know mick. but lynn saw fit too take a shot at him in a public venue in this way. thats a real ass move.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/csstoreonline/Karambit.pdf

lynn went from that to this: http://csstoreonline.stores.yahoo.net/49ks.html :jerkit:


So either he was talking out his a@@ to undermine other knife makers and a ligitimate knife style. Or he comprimised his own values and beliefs to turn a buck. Either way your supporting that kinda behavior whenever you buy a knife from coldsteel.

Its your own personal decision wether to buy from him or not.

P.S why do people whine about people whining? that doesnt make sense.
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I guess I would ask myself if what He said was true or not. If it was it may be that the moral problem is with someone else. Someone either did lie about military service or they did not and they either are a convicted felon or they are not. If all that was false then the owner of Cold Steel is a snake but if it was true the owner of Cold Steel is no different than people who post threads about how they do not like "Over the Top videos" that are not illegal. If some one makes knives that do perform that much better then they could very easy expose Cold Steel by testing there knives next to the most comperable Cold Steel knife. It would be a hoot.
 
barrabas74 said:
Bubinga,

Its kind of a pain because they offer alot of neat toys that no one else offers certain pole axes, rifle club, spears, good blowguns etc so I like buying that kind of stuff. I only own a few knives from them, the khuks a Trailmaster, a Recon clip point folder, arc angel and a few more. Well it feels like a few to me. Anyway its there marketing techniques and what not that piss us off. If they would just be honest then it would not be an issue. I do like some of there products but calling something that its not is lying, and its not appreciated.
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...and event he neat toys are crap. Like the bad axe and spears: look nice in promo picture but when you handle them they look like donkey ass from the other side, are too light and thin to stick anywhere.
 
cutlerylover said:
...but the knife world is a bit different in that no one besides them specifically says their knives are better than anyone elses...unlike other products like soda, beer, shoes, etc...The knife world...is by far a nicer enviroment for companies going against each other, not much put downs at all, each company just explains why it makes nice knives, but for the most part they don't say theirs are better than others...they just say theirs are good...
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Well, maybe so, but I actually like the idea of a knife company testing its knives. As it is, we can't depend on knife magazines, because they're in the pockets of the advertisers, which happen to also be the knife companies. And we shouldn't be expected to test our own knives, so what the hey -- let them test away. I like knowing that the locking mechanism on my knife is strong. I also like to see how the blades hold up, etc. In short, I wish every knife company would put out a DVD. I'd personally like to see a Benchmade or a CRKT put in a vice and stressed like the ones done in Cold Steel's videos.
 
I tend to agree with the moralist's out there. Having joined this site and used its resources for researching knives (and learning a great deal) I had placed a few CS products on my list of things to buy. This was based on praise from reviewers at this forum and the technical merits of the products.

Having went to CS's own website and seen some of the things they posted I became convinced that this is not a company that I would invest in by purchasing their products - even if those products are good quality and of good price. If CS behaves that way in a public way, imagine the types of decisions that they make out of the public's eye.

There is also nothing wrong with people continuing to criticize a company, so called 're-hashing of old issues', if those issue's haven't been addressed and corrected. This is simply another side of market forces in action. After all, large scale boycotting and negative publicity has made even McDonald's change its packaging materials (foam to cardboard).
 
Confederate said:
Well, maybe so, but I actually like the idea of a knife company testing its knives. As it is, we can't depend on knife magazines, because they're in the pockets of the advertisers, which happen to also be the knife companies. And we shouldn't be expected to test our own knives, so what the hey -- let them test away. I like knowing that the locking mechanism on my knife is strong. I also like to see how the blades hold up, etc. In short, I wish every knife company would put out a DVD. I'd personally like to see a Benchmade or a CRKT put in a vice and stressed like the ones done in Cold Steel's videos.
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That has always been my thought...I mean cold steel dares others to try what they do all the time, and no one has ever stepped up to the bat to try...but at the same time they dont feel they need to, each compnay has enough customers and fanms to keep their buisness strong, they make sales...I guess there is no reason for them to do so unless they start losing all their customers, and I dont see that happenign any tiem soon with any specific company...for example, I think each knife compnay appeals to a certain market and they are all still in buisness for a reason, what they do to sell knives works...many people have the idea that knives sell themselves, people word really helps...if someone has a thread like...so and so knife is really nice just got one and I love it, I know someone who reads that thread might just go buy one then...
 
Confederate said:
Well, maybe so, but I actually like the idea of a knife company testing its knives. As it is, we can't depend on knife magazines, because they're in the pockets of the advertisers, which happen to also be the knife companies. And we shouldn't be expected to test our own knives, so what the hey -- let them test away. I like knowing that the locking mechanism on my knife is strong. I also like to see how the blades hold up, etc. In short, I wish every knife company would put out a DVD. I'd personally like to see a Benchmade or a CRKT put in a vice and stressed like the ones done in Cold Steel's videos.
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But, supposedly, Cold Steel will not back their warranty if you do anything in the video to your knife. I have put some of knives through some harsh use, and they came out OK. Mostly Spyderco, Emerson, and Fallkniven. I had no reservations about damaging my Spydercos or Emersons since Mr. Glesser and Mr. Emerson stand behind their products.

Personally I was dismissed when I tried to get CS to re-profile my old CS Kuhkri. Once the company rep at their booth realized I did not want to buy a new Kuhkri, and only had questions regarding my old Kuhkri, he turned his back on me & walked off. Then when I learned of CS copying other maker's designs without even giving credit, and bad-mouthing knife-makers, I decided to no longer buy their products. If other people want to, that is fine. I will not recommend them to anyone, but I won't ridicule someone if they own a CS knife.

Call me a member of the CS Haters Clan, but since I have the right to choose, and several knife companies to choose from, I'll just buy elsewhere.
 
cutlerylover said:
That has always been my thought...I mean cold steel dares others to try what they do all the time, and no one has ever stepped up to the bat to try...but at the same time they dont feel they need to, each compnay has enough customers and fanms to keep their buisness strong, they make sales...I guess there is no reason for them to do so unless they start losing all their customers, and I dont see that happenign any tiem soon with any specific company...for example, I think each knife compnay appeals to a certain market and they are all still in buisness for a reason, what they do to sell knives works...many people have the idea that knives sell themselves, people word really helps...if someone has a thread like...so and so knife is really nice just got one and I love it, I know someone who reads that thread might just go buy one then...
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As I recall, CS did not accept the challenge from Mr. Busse at 1 of the early BLADE shows in Atlanta. There had been ads from CS about the superiority of their Trailmaster vs the Busse Battlemistress (I think this model?) then retalitory ads from Busse. Nothing ever came of it though, as Cold Steel never accepted and Busse just let it go.
 
JimConvex said:
You have chosen to make moral judgments and will only deal with people that seem moral or principled to you.
Mr. Ben has no such restrictions so he is free to pursue his interests without any care for a persons integrity.
His is the much easier path.
Jim
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As far as I can tell, CS has not engaged in illegal conduct. If they have, they should be reported to the proper authorities for prosecution.

As for Mr. Thompson's morality, or lack thereof, I will leave that to the Almighty to judge, as I do not feel qualified to do so.
 
kgd said:
Having went to CS's own website and seen some of the things they posted I became convinced that this is not a company that I would invest in by purchasing their products -- even if those products are good quality and of good price. If CS behaves that way in a public way, imagine the types of decisions that they make out of the public's eye.
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I don't know quite what you mean about behaving "that way," but it's just all clean marketing. I was a moralist once. The first product on TV that said it was a better product was Hunt's, saying their ketchup was better than Heinz. I was outraged, but I couldn't keep the outrage up, especially when everyone began doing it to everyone else.

Cold Steel may engage is some balderdashery, but in a day when Gerber and CRKT, just to name two, keep downgrading their steel, Cold Steel is making their knives with better steel. Granted, VG-1 is only marginally better than AUS8A, but it's not AUS6, or AUS4! And the company does seem to be interested in making a knife you can bet your life on. With other companies, it's still a questionmark. Benchmade makes better knives than Cold Steel, but not necessarily knives that a cop would bet his life on. Based on C.S.'s ridiculous tests, I at least know that a Cold Steel product will stand up to the kind of stress one might find in a combat or defensive situation. I don't know that about Benchmade, though I'd trust a Spyderco with no problem.

Spyderco's knives, however, are relatively small. I'd like to see them get into 5-inch blades a bit.
 
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