Cold Steel= flat out liars

[BRASMAN]

No, but they just might stop after reading enough posts/threads like yours, which seem to me to point out your lack of satisfaction with some of the "great knives" they make:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4715746&postcount=9

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485161

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4739374&postcount=16

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4736771&postcount=3

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4823387&postcount=16


Regards,
3G

LOL I never said not to buy Cold Steel knives and never said I would not buy more. Also I showed actual reasons I had a problem with that particular product not some stupid bandwagon "I hate those stupid videos and he exposed a knife maker for being a thug and lying about his military service and that is more evil than being a thug or lying about your military service." My point is that people are not going to stop spending money because of internet groopie movements. I also clarified in other posts that the Bushman Bowie is the only knife itself I was disapointed in that I had of Cold Steels and the SRK issue was about finding out what steal it was and by the wat Cold Steel contacted me and told me that it was in fact AUS8 and that they would give me my money back for the knife if I did not want it. So having a particular problem with a particular product because of a quality issue is not the same as crying about exposing criminals and liars and crying because the knife video actualy sells knives. I still will not buy a Cold Steel Bushman Bowie but I do plan on getting the standard model that seems to be made in another factory and you will not see me starting a thousand threads lamenting over people buying a Bushman Bowie. I have one and posted pics of why I do not like that particular knife based on a comparison of both Bushmans. YES another post giving Cold Steel FREE exposure! LOL

 

[BRASMAN]

First off if your so big on not judging people based on their actions why would someones criminal convictions bother you? The person in question has in my opinion a fine record. When i was up at the 75th ranger regiment, people knew who he was, and what bat he was in. some of them carried his knives. so i know he didnt lie about his carreer. its easy for people like lynn who have never served to look at a peice of paper and make a snap judgement.


Funny you should mention exposure in that method. Mr Busse decided to try and take cold steal up on that offer thinking that he really wanted a competition and wasnt just blowing smoke. Cold steal weaseled out of it. tricksy hobbitses.

Well I guess some one lied about what they did or they did not and as someone who did serve people lying about military service to try to sell something does make me sctratch my head more than a goffy video and if you do not want evey body to know you are a felon then I guess you should not be one. My point is I hink it is funny that some of the same people that think Cold Steel is not moral for the videos they make but some one who lies about military service and is a convicted felon is moral. It cracks me up. However if some one wants to buy a $400 knife with cord handle I say go ahead. Also as I said already if some one truly wants to put the Cold Steel knives to the test they do not have to get Lynn or whoever he is to agree to anything they can get a couple of knives and do it other wise they are just blowing hot air like the Cold Steel videos every body hates. LOL



EDIT: More Free Exposure!

 

[Ben Dover]

I wonder how many Cold Steel employees are secretly posting "trash" abvout CS here to get this much "free" advertising on a forum full of knife enthusiasts??

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it??

This reminds me of some of the threads on the firearms forums.

There's always a "Hate Ruger" thread going. Not because there's anything wrong with the products, but because there are a few people out there "that just hate Bill Ruger and and everything about him." And they will let you know in no uncertain terms that if you buy a Ruger, you're "part of the problem, and you're not a very good American."

BTW, I recently purchased a Bob Dozier hunting knife. But since Mr. Dozier also makes "military/tactical" fighting kives that are specifically designed to kill other human beings, am I contributing to the "bad image" of knife owners when I buy a knife from Mr. Dozier?? Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[John79]

Hey?! is this another Cold Steal is a buncha liars thread? says the Voyager owner.John79 don't take this "wrong" we sorta umm...know bout ole Lynn.As i said i own a voyager and it's ok but my time here at BF has caused me to not own any more CS products.

Can you please quote me saying that I own a Voyager?

 

[John79]

ohh sorry, I didn't understand what you said. Sorry for even starting this thread, lets end it...

 

[Confederate]

But, supposedly, Cold Steel will not back their warranty if you do anything in the video to your knife. I have put some of knives through some harsh use, and they came out OK. Mostly Spyderco, Emerson, and Fallkniven.

I wouldn't think anyone would have a legitimate reason for treating a knife like they do in the video. Like firearms, a knife may save your life some day. What happens to it after you've used it to get out of a tough or bad situation really isn't important. If it pries open a locked door or a window during a fire or is used successfully in self defense, it's served its purpose. I'd just like to know if a knife will perform in an emergency.

Personally I was dismissed when I tried to get CS to re-profile my old CS Kuhkri. Once the company rep at their booth realized I did not want to buy a new Kuhkri, and only had questions regarding my old Kuhkri, he turned his back on me & walked off. Then when I learned of CS copying other maker's designs without even giving credit, and bad-mouthing knife-makers, I decided to no longer buy their products.

You've got good cause to boycott their knives if you're treated that way by a Cold Steel rep. There's no excuse for it. But I've never actually heard of a Cold Steel knife design that was wantonly pilfered from other knife companies. I also interviewed Lynn Thompson about a year ago and I couldn't get him to badmouth any other manufacturer, on the record or off. He did praise a Chinese copycat manufacturer that copied Cold Steel Voyagers, not for their cutting ability, but for their ability to take punishment without failing. (The fact that the cheap copies were robust was simply evidence of the company's Voyager line of knives, don'cha see.) He did mention that Cold Steel had used good features found in other innovative designs, but added that they paid for them if they were proprietary. If you have an example where they swiped someone else's design, I'd like to see an example.

I'm not a shill for Cold Steel, honest. But before I use a knife or a gun, I want to know that it will be rugged and stand up to the stress of twisting and prying. The stuff about punching the blade through a car top is pretty useless though.

 

[Strobengh]

. . . I've never actually heard of a Cold Steel knife design that was wantonly pilfered from other knife companies . . .

I'm usually not one to jump into these threads, but come on . . . you can't be serious:

Just two examples:

 

[hardheart]

the Black Talon was a problem, but was worked out and exists now with an understanding w/Spyderco. The Talwar/AK-47 opening disc was considered an issue with the Emerson wave, but there is a legitimate patent, given to the designer & granted after the Wave's. But there is also the issue of the Boguzweski designed Ti-lite being shown to open in the same manner as a waved knife, in CS advertising. Then we have the GI Tanto, but there's no sneakiness about the copying, or its intent. Oh yeah, forgot about the Grohmann copy in the Canadian Belt Knife.

I remember CS mentioning the integral pocket clips on the old voyagers being a Spyderco license, and they sold Benchmade balisongs in their Special Projects catalog. I've also heard CS donates knives to our military. There are reasons to dislike Cold Steel, and there are reasons not to. Buy what you like.

 

[zenheretic]

You have misinterpreted what I wrote.

Wouldn't be the first time. Cheers.

 

[zenheretic]

ohh sorry, I didn't understand what you said. Sorry for even starting this thread, lets end it...

Like the Sorceror's Apprentice, or Pandora's Box, once started you can't finish by your own will any longer.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Then we have the GI Tanto, but there's no sneakiness about the copying, or its intent. Oh yeah, forgot about the Grohmann copy in the Canadian Belt Knife.

whether there is "sneakiness" involved is irrelevant. copying is copying. in the open with directed insults, or covertly trying to reinvent someone else's design, the end result is the same.

 

[Trent Rock]

Then when I learned of CS copying other maker's designs without even giving credit

Where would he give credit?
On the tang?
"Thanks to Schrade for this dropfinger design"
His website?
The little piece of paper/instructions that collectors value so much?
I bet the whole knife industry is made on "copies" at some point or another
Who made the first "buck 110 folder" style knife?
Does every Buck 110 style maker have to give credit??

 

[Keith Montgomery]

ohh sorry, I didn't understand what you said. Sorry for even starting this thread, lets end it...

When a thread about Cold Steel gets going, it is an unstoppable force.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Where would he give credit?
On the tang?
"Thanks to Schrade for this dropfinger design"
His website?
The little piece of paper/instructions that collectors value so much?
I bet the whole knife industry is made on "copies" at some point or another
Who made the first "buck 110 folder" style knife?
Does every Buck 110 style maker have to give credit??

it's not all that difficult to give credit, rather than the sales pitch that accompanies the picture.

 

[jcs71]

Please forgive any spelling errors in this post but this subject really makes me sick and tired of hearing it.

Isn't it funny how someone will get their skivi's in an uproar over Cold Steel's khukri, and other knives, and yet don't think about what they are saying.

Don't you guys and gals consider HI's khukris more of a custom blade, because one person makes it from start to finish. They are not mass produced. Therefore it would not fall into the same catagory as Cold Steel.

CS has theirs more than likely mass produced in factories in Taiwan. In a way Lynn is correct. I don't recall too many other factories putting out production khukris like CS. I could be wrong about that, but he could be correct in his claim when comparring factory khukris.

Now others here will whine about other designs that they have that are very close to other companies and makers knives. Did anyone stopped to think that maybe they had permission to make copies of these knives from the original makers? I don't really know if they do or not and you don't either, unless you are right there working for them. Alot of companies and makers do this.

Now that brings up another point. Any company has the right to produce a knife that might look like somone elses knife as long as no copryrights has been violated. So grow up and quit crying. Before you even open your flytrap ask yourself this... Where was I, meaning you, at when all these companies started producing lockbacks that looked alot like Buck's 110? How many companies made knives that looked almost exactly like the 110? Did you whine and cry like a lunatic then, or did you either go ahead and buy one or just passed them buy. More than likely you bought one.

If you don't like Cold Steel so be it. I like their products and have used them for years. I will still buy their knives. But to go and put one company down and call them names for doing the same thing that other companies do, and not B@#$* and moan about the other companies as well just makes you look like a hypocrite.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Please forgive any spelling errors in this post but this subject really makes me sick and tired of hearing it.

Isn't it funny how someone will get their skivi's in an uproar over Cold Steel's khukri, and other knives, and yet don't think about what they are saying.

Don't you guys and gals consider HI's khukris more of a custom blade, because one person makes it from start to finish. They are not mass produced. Therefore it would not fall into the same catagory as Cold Steel.

CS has theirs more than likely mass produced in factories in Taiwan. In a way Lynn is correct. I don't recall too many other factories putting out production khukris like CS. I could be wrong about that, but he could be correct in his claim when comparring factory khukris.

Now others here will whine about other designs that they have that are very close to other companies and makers knives. Did anyone stopped to think that maybe they had permission to make copies of these knives from the original makers? I don't really know if they do or not and you don't either, unless you are right there working for them. Alot of companies and makers do this.

Now that brings up another point. Any company has the right to produce a knife that might look like somone elses knife as long as no copryrights has been violated. So grow up and quit crying. Before you even open your flytrap ask yourself this... Where was I, meaning you, at when all these companies started producing lockbacks that looked alot like Buck's 110? How many companies made knives that looked almost exactly like the 110? Did you whine and cry like a lunatic then, or did you either go ahead and buy one or just passed them buy. More than likely you bought one.

If you don't like Cold Steel so be it. I like their products and have used them for years. I will still buy their knives. But to go and put one company down and call them names for doing the same thing that other companies do, and not B@#$* and moan about the other companies as well just makes you look like a hypocrite.

you are whining and crying as much like a lunatic here as any of the other posts i have read in this thread.

when i read the accompaning description about the ranger knife, i found it offensive that in such an open way he would attack and criticize another maker. there was a long thread in the gbu, but bring it up again since the pic was posted.

you can defend whatever product and whatever business practices you like.

and anyone else can criticize the same.

sounds like you need to grow up and stop taking this so personal.

 

[3Guardsmen]

But what really is shown in this thread is that no matter what Cold Steel does, the Clan of Cold Steel Haters will revile and hate Cold Steel. They simply manufacture their own reasons to justify their hate. I suspect their biggest problem is that Lynn Thompson does not get down on his knees and kiss their little derrieres every day. Well it ain’t going to happen. They will have to live out their insignificant lives as howling voices on the internet. :yawn:

I just understand why there is so many crybabies here.

It is just a bunch of crybaby Cold Steel haters

Did you whine and cry like a lunatic then

Why is it that the people who are the most vehement in their defense of the company being discussed have to resort to name calling? Could it be that the company being discussed is loved mostly by people who are just plain incapable of having a debate without calling names? Kinda makes me wonder.

You can do that but only if you don't claim it was the best asshatery in the country or try to play down someone else's asshatery. We don't want to have anyones feelings hurt here. Violations will result in loss of recess time and additional time out. You will also receive a trip to principle 3guardsmans office for a tongue lashing.

Just a friendly suggestion. If you're going to make an attempt at an insult, make sure you're not the one who ends up on the receiving end for so doing.

Example: I (3Guardsmen) consider myself a man of principle, and for that reason, I choose not to purchace products from the company being discussed. However, I am not employed as the head of a school, otherwise known as a principal.

Here's a link for you:
http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/articles/article/992333/8562.htm

You make this entirely too easy!

Regards,
3G

 

[jca21]

from what i can observe (and this is strictly just an observation) the canadian belt knife looks the same as the original grohmann design. i own the grohmann survival 4 and dont really care much for the coldsteel version of the knife.. with the grohmann i feel like i own a piece of history.. the knife design having been around for a long time and also being the only knife manufactured in canada makes me feel proud to have one.. the cold steel version on the other hand may be just as comfortable as the real deal (never held the cs cbk) however, it doesn't really have any significance in my view and therefore it is not part of my collection.. i guess i'm trying to say that because i don't care for the cs cbk i do not support it by purchasing it.

everyone buys a knife for their own reasons... whether its because you have a tight budget and just need something for the woods or you have the cash to drop on nice knives like busses and HI khuks... without a question these are spectacular knives (dont own a busse, have a HI khuk which is more then enough chopping power for me) and some people will swear by them.. but for those of us who cannot always afford these type of knives we need to find another outlet to satisfy that craving we all share here for knives

if you can't get the grohmann belt knife... u get the thing closest to it.. the cs cbk.. which at 15 bucks seems quite affordable to me... everyone will have different opinions on the practices and policies of a company.. but i personally think that it really isnt our business (or mine atleast) to question people or "name call them" for liking or disliking a particular knife/company.

perhaps taking it less personally and saying "is that so..?" when someone says they like a knife that you dont particularly support would make the tension a little lesser...

talking about cold steel seems to be like (as a previous member mentioned) beating a dead horse. although the topic is always fascinating because we are a diverse community of knife enthusiasts. there will always be people who like cold steel and people who dont. it is our ability to set these differences aside and discuss the actual "knife" which i believe is important.

just my thoughts

cheers

 

[3Guardsmen]

Great thoughts and great post, jca21! I, too, am very fond of D.H. Russell/Grohmann knives.

Regards,
3G

 

[jca21]

thanks 3guardsmen

the grohmann knives are really knice.. do you own one/