Cold Steel= flat out liars

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Yeah I know all that. Lynn is the company and all like Sal is the company but that isn't the whole story. Lynn is the only guy to date that pays Sal a royalty to use the pocket clip. Did you know that? And it isn't because LT was sued to get that royalty or because Sal had to place a call to him to straighten it out like he did with another big player in the industry if what I was told is true. There is more but I know the other things LT has done like stick his foot in his mouth about various steels and the Karambit, get all bent out of shape about the awards, and all. I've talked about it here before.

He also may be guilty of some sleezy behavior but hey some other industry pros have done that too. Again it doesn't really set him apart. I mean why not boycott every company using a thumb stud and a pocket clip to make their knives one hand opening. After all they all got the idea from Sal right?

Still I'm not a LT fan. I speak for the knives that stand on their own merits and good people besides LT designed that Ultimate Hunter, and AK knife they sell. Knives that were made in many cases by the same companies these other guys you mention use, and also some American companies. Obviously anyone that knows me knows I'm a Spyderco fan and I support Sal, as well as Kershaw and Thomas and Kabar, BenchMade and other companies and dealers in the industry. If I let myself get all bent out of shape everytime I saw one of these guys doing something less than honorable I'd have to unload a lot of knives, my China made computer, as well as several of my favorite jeans, t shirts and other things. Life is too short for all that. You can't police the world.

But you guys have a good time. Don't let my opinion interfere with your fun. Really. I'll leave you to it.

I just find it interesting is all. Nothing in this thread is new. It comes up again at seemingly regular intervals. What can be gained from it except for people finding something old to still whine about?

STR
 
I say ease up on the excuse of the videos giving knives a bad image. Just look at the names hung on knives to create visions of knife usage. Ever heard of Street Scrapper 4? I use mine as a favorite hunting blade. How about "tactical"? Every gun mag is chock full of articles to promote training for gun fights, accuracy testing at 7 yards, while railing on those who try to give guns a bad image. The whole concept just doesn't wash. ss.
 
I'm not trying to be rude to you STR, I have the utmost respect for you and you know the workings of knives and the industry much better than I do.

I respect your opinion, I really do, but I disagree.

My biggest gripe is the advertizing and what it does to the image of the knife community.

If it weren't for that, they would be the same as all the other soso knife importers to me.
 
STR said:
... Lynn is the only guy to date that pays Sal a royalty to use the pocket clip.
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Sal's comment about this makes a good point, I think.

I doubt, however, that Lynn is currently paying royalty for pocket clips as that was 1981 (26 years ago).
 
straitshot said:
I say ease up on the excuse of the videos giving knives a bad image. Just look at the names hung on knives to create visions of knife usage. Ever heard of Street Scrapper 4? I use mine as a favorite hunting blade. How about "tactical"? Every gun mag is chock full of articles to promote training for gun fights, accuracy testing at 7 yards, while railing on those who try to give guns a bad image. The whole concept just doesn't wash. ss.
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When people see knives as weapons, there will be more restictions/bans and all the fun BS we see with guns. Guns are already weapons in everyone's book. Knives (to some extent) fly a bit under the radar here, and that's a good thing IMO.

I think the stabbing/slicing hanging meat demonstration on the videos is very ill-advised.
 
Its ok to disagree my friend. We probably don't vote the same either.

I can't comment on the clip thing. Just know that from the past. My memory still works on occasion go figure.

I'm actually in agreement with you on the advertising and even to some extent on the titles given to some of these knives. I probably shouldn't say anything but I guess its ok now. I was recently contacted by a defense attorney about a case I fortunately don't have to worry about now but it scared me for a few because someone was being prosecuted for slashing another man with a weapon and the prosecution was trying to nail him for the knife he carried which all I'll say is that it began with CQC if you catch my drift.

Now this defense lawyer wanted me as an expert witness to try to defend his client and I'm like man, if they call me in I'll go but the last thing you want me to say on the stand is the answer to the question from the prosecutor for what CQC stands for. They'll turn me into their witness for their case in a heartbeat with that.

In other words some of the guys carrying around these knives called combat, or fighters, or MBC rated or whatever have probably never given any thought to what a prosecutor will do with it in the event that you ever did put it to use to defend yourself. Personally in my opinion you are probably much better off to have a whittler, or a hunter or some other name on the blade but rest assured they'll still try to nail you.

Like I said, fortunately it was dropped and he got off and it passed but I was sweating because, well. I like Ernie you know?

STR
 
I vote for whoever doesn't suck, not looking really good for me this time around:D.

Thanks for the story, I like Mr. Emerson myself.

I carry a Manix, it's MBC rated. Frankly, the last thing I want to do is get into a knife fight.

I like a substantial blade for slicing, and a one-hand opening knife because I like to not have to put the fish onto the ground to get my knife open to cut the line, you get the point.

It's no more a weapon to me than anything else. But I do kinda like to know that the knife is strong enough to be used hard.
 
nephildevil said:
so what kinds of knives u think he makes are good and which ones not?

i only got that thrower and are looking to buy more of similar kind, anything else they got u know is good?
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See STRs response right below your post. Trailmaster, SRK, his real knives, not his historical repros, although I really didn't like the Recon Tanto I had. His Voyagers are good for what they are IMHO.
 
STR said:
Now this defense lawyer wanted me as an expert witness to try to defend his client and I'm like man, if they call me in I'll go but the last thing you want me to say on the stand is the answer to the question from the prosecutor for what CQC stands for. They'll turn me into their witness for their case in a heartbeat with that.


STR
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That's easy, Custom Quality Cutlery.;):D

Regards,
3G

P.S. Good points (though I may not totally agree) as usual, STR.:thumbup:
 
3Guardsmen said:
That's easy, Custom Quality Cutlery.;):D

Regards,
3G

P.S. Good points (though I may not totally agree) as usual, STR.:thumbup:
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Yeah thats better than Close Quarters Combat for sure. The lawyer said he thought it was Close Quarters Carry knife. You should have seen his jaw drop when I told him what it really stood for. :eek: He thanked me for my time and headed out in short order after learning that shaking his head as he walked out the door. The funniest part about that meeting to me, and I mean no offense to anyone of you youngsters but to me it was funny, because he looked like a kid with a $1200 suit and a manicure to me standing there in my overalls but I guess all you male youths look like kids to me anymore. I see male kids driving and they look like they are 13 and I see these young girls that my teacher friend assures me are in the 9th grade that look 19 with bodies like those you see on the cover of Cosmo but I guess I'm a dirty ole man by admitting that huh? :D I can't tell anymore the ages of these young. No wonder they still card everyone all over the place.

I don't know what happened after that with the case but I'll tell you it woke me up even more to how you can easily end up having what you got on you turned against you in a heartbeat by someone with a mindset to do so, and probably even if your use was defensive and justified you would potentially be in a world of hurt. I think also that if the knife is in a video being used to stab and slash meat and even if its only used to just cut up a cardboard cut out of a human figure it can't be good for you if that same video or DVD is in the prosecutions hands in a court room showing a jury what that knife was designed for, with questions like this being thrown at them, 'why would anyone carry a knife like this?" Let me show you why.

Can you imagine the lynching that poor sap on the defense would get? I certainly can. No I agree whole heartedly that the entire knife community is hurt by these hype videos my friends.


STR
 
Amen, STR. I've been spouting off about this for quite a long time.

The reality is, no matter what kind of knife a person uses to defend themselves they are made to look like savages.

"He then counterattacked my client with a 4in. hunting knife"

"The defendant then hacked the intruder to death with a butcher knife."

A knife is nothing more than a sharpened edge, all the other stuff attached to it is the thing that gets people into trouble, but does it really matter what blade shape a knife has, the edge is the part that cuts.
 
shotgunner11 said:
... A knife is nothing more than a sharpened edge, all the other stuff attached to it is the thing that gets people into trouble, but does it really matter what blade shape a knife has, the edge is the part that cuts.
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Winchester once said, "The gun is simply a machine for throwing balls."


Well, a knife is a device that cuts things.


It seems pretty simple, but folks get confused sometimes.
 
Three years ago I was deciding between a Recon and a Pro Lite. I chose the Pro Lite because the advertising stated it was designed for hunters and outfitters;). It could make a difference if I got jammed hunting in a state where my CCW isn't valid. It's the small things that get big real fast when lawyers ply their trade. Something to consider.

My earlier point is not to justify the videos, but to recognize their similarity to advertising, designing, and naming knives as weapons throughout the industry. It's not likely to change soon.:) ss.
 
shotgunner11 said:
I wonder how much in royalties he's paying to the D.H. Russell company for the Canadian Belt Knife.
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For the last fifty years the company that has owned the rights to make Canadian Belt Knife is Grohmann, and from what I understand, Cold Steel have never paid them a dime. From what I understand, the design is trademarked.
 
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