Cold Steel= flat out liars

When they(the Chinese) pay about 10 cents an hour and treat workers like slaves it helps get the price way down.
 
Scary thread.

Fair quality "triple action" folders were made back in the '40's-'50's, if I am not mistaken. Old design.

Cold Steel has offerred some fine products. I still use my San Mai Shinobo (or whatever the made in Japan piece of cutlery was named) and TrailMaster (from the '80's also).

People do remember the dark '70's and '80's, right?

Gerber was a contender back then, too.

So makers are offering lower priced knives and the quality/materials go down.
 
znode said:
These are not your average village idiots. They won't fool us, and especially not when we touch them because of the lack of fit-n-finish, but they certainly can the average Joe.

Look at the attention to detail in mimicking G-10 with milled plastic. And the torx screws, and the beefy-looking liners. Sure, we know that they're probably sheet-metal steel with no heat treat, but this sort of looks for what is probably $1 in total manufacturing costs is not at all funny.
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Sadly znode, often times even the fit and finish is very good on these knives.

We are very quickly being outpaced as far as manufacturing goes, hell, I would say the war is about over.

The things that these people can do for a mere fraction of the price of what an american company can produce is amazing.

Even if you take out the slave labor and poor materials, were still beat.
 
shotgunner11 said:
Sadly znode, often times even the fit and finish is very good on these knives.

We are very quickly being outpaced as far as manufacturing goes, hell, I would say the war is about over.

The things that these people can do for a mere fraction of the price of what an american company can produce is amazing.

Even if you take out the slave labor and poor materials, were still beat.
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We'll I'd agree that the Chinese have the corner hedged with junk knives, they also have the corner on spoiled/diseased food, slave labor, illegal currency control, eating anything that breathes, clone copying anything with the cheapest materials, etc...
Take a stand and don't buy chinese, don't let the knife industry get eaten up by those bastards like they already have done to the textile, electronic, hella lot of American/Canadian/European/Japanese jobs
 
shotgunner11 said:
Sadly znode, often times even the fit and finish is very good on these knives.
We are very quickly being outpaced as far as manufacturing goes
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Oh, I know, but that's not the category of counterfeits I'm talking about. I was discussing very-low-quality knockoffs of a particular product, which was what the thread was discussing.

High-quality counterfeits that almost mimic the original product are sadly much more of a complex issue, involving copyright and trademark law, not to mention the nature of capitalism, market competition, and economic policy. Which would completely derail the thread.

Sapper76 said:
We'll I'd agree that the Chinese have the corner hedged with junk knives... slave labor, illegal currency control, clone copying anything with the cheapest materials
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Yes, blatant human rights violations and bad business practices, I agree...

Sapper76 said:
they also have the corner on spoiled/diseased food, eating anything that breathes
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Getting a bit stereotyped here aren't we? I have seen no evidence of bad food quality somehow being a trait of any Asian country, unless you think Asian food should be defined by the stuff that gets peddled to tourists :rolleyes:. And food choices are very much dependent on what is economically available to a civilization at a certain time, and should definitely not be politicized or made into ethics wars. Unless you want to follow in the footsteps of PETA :jerkit:. If there is one thing the States can't claim superiority in any shape or form, it's complexity and sophistication of cuisine. Europe can also attest to this.
 
Perhaps eating anything that moves was a cheap shot.

However, he might have a point, however poorly worded.

The Chinese have been caught making soy sauce out of human hair, growing garlic fertilized with raw sewage, raising seafood in sewage contaminated waters, and then there was also the poisoned pet food, toothpaste, and children's toys.

He never claimed any particular superiority.
 
Originally Posted by Sapper76
they also have the corner on spoiled/diseased food, eating anything that breathes
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znode said:
Getting a bit stereotyped here aren't we? I have seen no evidence of bad food quality somehow being a trait of any Asian country, unless you think Asian food should be defined by the stuff that gets peddled to tourists . And food choices are very much dependent on what is economically available to a civilization at a certain time, and should definitely not be politicized or made into ethics wars.
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I agree we don't need to politicize this discussion, especially in stereotyping cuisine.

I do think he was referring primarily, not to Asian food, but to recent Chinese food import scandals -- contaminated pet food and toothpaste, for example.
 
jill jackson said:
The truth is the (( industrial farmers )) treat all animals they eat like they are trash.
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Edited to point out that large-scale production of meat animals in western industrial countries border on treating animals like meat machines.

We have a habit of adopting cute furry animals as poster children for how much we care. That's nice, but no true reflection on how we really provide the meat our people insist on.

Let's back off politicizing this topic so far from its subject matter, especially when we are picking and choosing so carefully what we want each other to see.

Start a new thread with more rigorous arguments, not cheap shots.
Or post in Whine & Cheese and go for all the cheap shots you like. :)
 
kozak6 said:
The Chinese have been caught making soy sauce out of human hair, growing garlic fertilized with raw sewage, raising seafood in sewage contaminated waters, and then there was also the poisoned pet food, toothpaste, and children's toys.
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Right, and those would in fact be horrendous business practices. But it would only be prejudice to say that all of the Chinese industry somehow all condone these acts. It's not as if they don't have their own children who will eat the food and play with the toys. If anything, these are a result of a small number of people trying to leech off legitimate Chinese businesses.

As Hanlon would say, never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

jill jackson said:
Looks pretty damn sophisticated to me over there in China.
http://www.dogmeattrade.com/images/caged_dogs.jpg
http://www.doggienews.com/uploaded_images/dog-meat-industry-741564.jpg
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http://www.dogmeattrade.com/images/loading_dogs.jpg
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Oh God, this AGAIN.

Do you have any damn idea why using graphical "shock images" to politicize cultural food choices in the name of "animal rights" leads only to violence, hate crimes, and actual harm inflicted to HUMAN BEINGS?

All of which is a moot point in the first place; it's not as if we buy food from the Chinese food industry, much less the people who causes the food atrocities. Boycott the right things, and ensure that fighting the good fight should never involve blatant cultural prejudice.
 
They treat food animals (anything just about) much worse than we treat ours. That's just a fact. Not a cheap shot. They cannot get into trouble over how they treat animals. It's done in plain sight everyday of the year. People that raise animals for food here can get into trouble and do over how they are treated. It's just a fact and a well known fact that The Chinese have little regard for their workers and even less for animals they dine upon.
 
jill jackson said:
The truth is the Chinese treat all animals they eat like they are trash. People can argue otherwise but it's one thing to kill an animal for food a quite another to abuse and torture it beforehand.
http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/003109.php
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Oh? So this is a Chinese thing, then? Not something that all cretins who consider profit to be more important than life do? http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/myostatin_deficient_cow.jpg

It's one thing to kick the crap out of people who create scandals such as poisoned toothpaste, or chicken made from rats.

It's quite another to use "cute furry animals" as a reason to spread hate and cultural prejudice.

EDIT: I mean, look at pug breeding, for God's sake. An entire subspecies with life-long breathing and thermoregulation problems, possible brain diseases, and have to be born by C-section. Created entirely for human enjoyment.
 
I'm not buying anything Cold Steel has made in China. Or anything else made in China as long as I can find what I need made elsewheres where they pay a worker a living wage and don't enslave the worker to a factory. And if they want to eat dogs and cats whatever, they don't have to abuse them just because they can. You may think it's fine to treat animals like crap that are going to be killed for food but I don't agree with it. No matter where it's at. The Chinese government does little or nothing to improve working conditions or conditions for food animals. That's why I always try to never buy anything from there.
(and BTW that bloated cow is nothing compared to how the animals over there are treated.)
 
jill jackson said:
They treat food animals (anything just about) much worse than we treat ours. That's just a fact. Not a cheap shot. They cannot get into trouble over how they treat animals. It's done in plain sight everyday of the year. People that raise animals for food here can get into trouble and do over how they are treated. It's just a fact and a well known fact that The Chinese have little regard for their workers and even less for animals they dine upon.
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This is NOT fact, it's cherry-picking what you want to show and what you want to ignore.

"The Chinese" are not a nation of sadists. Aspects of their culture, especially as practiced by the least sensitive among them, can be repellent to us.

Condemning the entire people for this is bigotry. Back off.
 
Gentlebeings, this thread already has 737 posts and most of them are more or less on topic. There is no need to pad this thread out with off-topic nonsense. If you can't hold it in start a new thread for that, in the appropriate forum.
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This thread just gets better and better from COLD STEEL BEING LIARS to human rights, animal rights, China political, and economic conditions, The latest FDA china import bans. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN ?
I thought this was a knife forum ? :confused:
 
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