Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

i dont get it, how is strider at all indicated in cs's comments? i dont recall striders staff bieng ex-fellons, or posing military operators.(ex rangers or something) it might be over the top but i dont see strider or emerson anywere in the paragraph. besides its just a throwing knife, which explains the low key similarities to strider knives.
 
i dont get it, how is strider at all indicated in cs's comments? i dont recall striders staff bieng ex-fellons, or posing military operators.(ex rangers or something)

Run a google search on the following: Mick Strider felon
Follow the links, read the assorted discussions (aka flame wars) on different forums, and you'll be up to speed in no time.


Since you quoted me, I'll be glad to answer your questions, Killerskill.

Yeah, but who cares if Strider/Berger or whoever was in prison?

...Some people might, particularly those who aren't aware of his past or those who feel a company's self-promotion has misled them. The more information a buyer has, the better decision they can make.

People who buy strider knives(like me) know exactly what they are buying and getting into.

That's just the point. Not everyone does know. Look at Wannabemarine's post above mine, he doesn't know. Lynn Thompson is trying to call attention to Mr. Burger's past so other buyers can make their own decision.

The price for a strider is in no way a rip off.

....Well, that's your opinion such as it is, but it's certainly not a fact. There are comparable, better finished knives that cost less, which certainly is a fact.

The knives perform better than almost any knife.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, yes? The CS Trailmaster or the Mission Knives MPK would beat a Strider for prying strength.

...and "hard core users" knows how important that is. Using a knife as a prybar is almost as important as whether or not it will punch through a car door. :p

But then they go and call Strider rip-off artists and cons.

Both charges, however unpleasant, are true. Strider Models BN, BT, and WB have a blade profile nearly line for line identical to the Emerson SpecWar. So, in the sense of "rip off" meaning "design imitation", that's true. The "con" charge has already been done to death. The short version is it, too, is true.

There is absolutely NO excuse for this crap. NONE.

Some might say the same about a maker misrepresenting his past or the nature of his military involvement. Others might say there is no excuse for putting a company's ownership in his partner's name to secure military contracts which would be invalidated by his own criminal record.

And really who cares who was in prison?

...well, that's what Lynn Thompson plans to find out. If nobody cares, then there's no reason to get angry when Cold Steel makes all those buyers out there aware of it, is there? They won't pay the least bit attention to it, will they?

An awesome knife is what it is.

Very true. ...and a rip off is what it is, too.

And made in america too.

...just like Cold Steel Laredo Bowie, Arc Angel Butterfly Knives, CS Filet Knives, Recon Scout, Oda, SRK, Master Hunter, Recon Tanto, Classic Bird Knife, 2 Blade Hunter, Muskrat, Classic Trapper. :D

Who's the rip off artist,ripping off american jobs?

Judging from that list, Cold Steel certainly is keeping a whole bunch of Americans employed.

Sabertooth is right. Why don't I just link up the Maxpedition thread so we can all go get our cocoa ready?
 
LT is a douchebag.


Please don’t throw away hundreds and hundreds of dollars on similar knives sold by convicted felons and rip off artists posing as elite “military operators”. Get the real G.I. Tanto from Cold Steel and get more than your money’s worth.

Seems that cold steel's MO is getting pretty clear, and pretty lame. Making blatant knock-offs and throwing blatant insults into the face of the person getting stolen from is beyond low.

I am not even a Strider fan, but this is the lamest thing I have ever seen CS pull, out of many dirtbag moves.
 
So, Vaako, if what CS is saying is true is irrelevant. For all intents and purposes he is trying to put down the maker of the design he is actually ripping off from. I could care less if it's true or not... cause after all the knife in question is a ripoff of a Strider, not a real Strider. Cheaper? it is still a blatant direct imitation.

If LT wanted to copy it, then he should've just keep quiet and go about his business....
 
LT is a douchebag.

Seems that cold steel's MO is getting pretty clear, and pretty lame. Making blatant knock-offs and throwing blatant insults into the face of the person getting stolen from is beyond low.

I am not even a Strider fan, but this is the lamest thing I have ever seen CS pull, out of many dirtbag moves.
Indeed. I think I understand what you meant when you talked about Cold Steel's business ethic. Regardless of what is or isn't true about Strider, the people at Cold Steel really show lack of a conscience. It is too bad the general knife-buying public does not know more about this company.
 
No surprises here! This is what I've been saying for years about the direction I felt that company was heading. I do have to wonder though, with their wonder-steel gone (no more blades made for them by a certain American company), will we ever see the "Made in USA" stamp on one of their knives again? I doubt it! Strider makes knives in the USA, can they say the same? In my opinion, they're getting pretty desperate now.:thumbdn:

I wonder what their "friend" has to say about them now?:D
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401076

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373633

Regards,
3G
 
i'd like to see thompson and berger/strider get it on, see whos the toughest man, who cares about the knives lol, i'd put $10 on mick.
 
As far as I am concerned that statement by Cold Steel as low as it gets.

Well Mick sold the knives almost 100% on his background, when it turns out to be completely false, it isn't that unreasonable to expect someone like Thompson to call him on it. Fact is that Mick did that publically on other people and was even called into court and had to retract his statements publically. Thompson also probably has a better knife.

-Cliff
 
Well Mick sold the knives almost 100% on his background, when it turns out to be completely false, it isn't that unreasonable to expect someone like Thompson to call him on it. Fact is that Mick did that publically on other people and was even called into court and had to retract his statements publically. Thompson also probably has a better knife.

-Cliff

Cliff,
The question is, why is he now calling him on it, and for what purpose? Do you think it is for the purpose of selling his whares? I certainly do! To call someone on a public falsity is one thing. To do it while attempting to sell a knife that looks identical to one made by the person you are "calling" is pathetic and low!

What makes you think this knife is probably better than the original, besides the price? Is it the use of 1055 carbon steel?

Regards,
3G
 
The question is, why is he now calling him on it, and for what purpose?

In the hopes it will attract attention, promote discussion and ultimately sell knives.

Is it the use of 1055 carbon steel?

Generally I don't have much use for high carbide steels in that type of knife, there is little use for wear resistance so yes, I would much prefer a simpler steel which was much more durable.

-Cliff
 
...another typically incisive remark showing both the intelligence and character of the Strider crowd. It was polite and civil until you started flaming. Good job. :D

Post script: Since "sole authorship" seems to be important to you, who developed Strider's heat treating for them? Nothing like doing things on your own, eh?

robertmegar said:
So, Vaako, if what CS is saying is true is irrelevant.

I suppose buyers will decide that for themselves, Robert. Customers can make up their own minds what's important now.

For all intents and purposes he is trying to put down the maker of the design he is actually ripping off from.

Considering both Cold Steel and Strider are both ripping off Ernest Emerson/ Timberline Knives "SpecWar" design, that's not really an issue.

Taken from a larger view, even that's questionable. The Americanized tanto (more correctly known as the archaic kiriha zukuri) blade style was popularized in the 80s by Lynn Thompson's company. Before that, the kiriha zukuri tanto was virtually unknown in this country aside from the knives of a very few custom makers like Phil Hartsfield. The popularity of Cold Steel's tantos led other makers and companies to both copy and develop other interpretations of the blade shape. Ernest Emerson designed (and if he didn't, he certainly popularized) a hybrid of the kiriha zukuri tanto and the bowie. This blade combined a tanto with its point in the center of the blade and a straight clip back. Strider Knives seeing the popularity of Emerson's CQC series and the Timberline SpecWar, used Mr. Emerson's blade shape as their own. Mr. Emerson, of course, never sees a penny from the sale of the Striders (or any of a dozen other makers) using his blade profile.

Now, over 20 years later, Cold Steel is being accused of "ripping off" Strider for copying a design Strider "ripped off" from Ernest Emerson whose own tantos were to a degree inspired by the original popularity of Cold Steel.

If you're outraged at Cold Steel "ripping off" a Strider design, why aren't you equally outraged that Strider "ripped off" Ernest Emerson in the first place?

Strange how selective the moral indignation is, yes?

If LT wanted to copy it, then he should've just keep quiet and go about his business...

Why should he keep quiet? That's what advertising is all about: informing customers about the product. Exposing the criminal past of a company's founder is no more or less despicable than a company's founder exaggerating his military service to generate credibility.

i'd like to see thompson and berger/strider get it on, see whos the toughest man, who cares about the knives lol, i'd put $10 on mick.

LOL! Now you're talking! :D $20 on Thompson. He may look like a chubby little dude, but CS' prez has studied with some pretty serious people over the years, Felix Valencia and the Dog Brothers being a few of them.

That's sure bet over a carjacker any day. Besides, Thompson has made training tapes. That definitely makes him an expert! ;)
 
And made in america too.

...just like Cold Steel Laredo Bowie, Arc Angel Butterfly Knives, CS Filet Knives, Recon Scout, Oda, SRK, Master Hunter, Recon Tanto, Classic Bird Knife, 2 Blade Hunter, Muskrat, Classic Trapper. :D

Oh really, Vaako? Are those knives still made in America?;)

Too bad that all the products advertised (not made) by that company are now coming from China, Taiwan, Japan, and South Africa. Don't they care any more about the patriotism they are always espousing?;) :D

If it gets any worse, they're going to have to start importing the meat they cut up in their fabulous videos, which they may have to start filming "overseas", where the knives are made.:p

Regards,
3G
 
I'd take that spring-tempered 1055 over S30V for a 7" blade any day of the week, regardless of what company put it out.

Then again, I have no practical use for a blade like that, so maybe the point is moot.

P.S. - Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ... Last Page) :rolleyes:
 
I bet it is a tough a$$ knife that would hold its own being spring tempered 1055 steel. Thats like a leaf spring in your hand that can make a darn good tough tool steel. Its certainly a better suited steel for the kind of jobs its supposed to do than S30V. I'd bet it would stand up better actually than any S30V blade. The price is sure right in line with what a soldier can afford. I look at these $200 to $500 knives that are made for the military and have to wonder how many companies expect to sell. Apparently the enlisted get paid a bit more than I did in my day because I didn't know too many that could afford a knife that expensive unless the military provided it at N/C.

As to the Dissing. Funny I didn't see the name Strider anywhere in the add. Dissing is to show disrespect to someone by name. Thompson is too smart for that. He left it vaque enough that he can't be cornered on it, as is typical of how he covers his a$$. He'd just say he is asking the customers to not disrespect themselves by supporting a liar and a con man. Kind of ironic really when you stop to think about it considering the rep he has built for himself.

STR
 
I'd take that spring-tempered 1055 over S30V for a 7" blade any day of the week, regardless of what company put it out.

Yeah, you're right! No knife cuts and retains an edge like foreign made, cold-forged, spring-tempered, 1055, medium carbon steel. You were talking about a "knife", right? Not a leaf-spring for your truck?:rolleyes:

Regards,
3G
 
I bet it is a tough a$$ knife that would hold its own being spring tempered 1055 steel. Thats like a leaf spring in your hand that can make a darn good tough tool steel. Its certainly a better suited steel for the kind of jobs its supposed to do than S30V. I'd bet it would stand up better actually than any S30V blade. The price is sure right in line with what a soldier can afford. I look at these $200 to $500 knives that are made for the military and have to wonder how many companies expect to sell. Apparently the enlisted get paid a bit more than I did in my day because I didn't know too many that could afford a knife that expensive unless the military provided it at N/C.

As to the Dissing. Funny I didn't see the name Strider anywhere in the add. Dissing is to show disrespect to someone by name. Thompson is too smart for that. He left it vaque enough that he can't be cornered on it, as is typical of how he covers his a$$. He'd just say he is asking the customers to not disrespect themselves by supporting a liar and a con man. Kind of ironic really when you stop to think about it considering the rep he has built for himself.

STR

STR,
You're a member of "the other place", too. How many complaints do you recall seeing, here or "there", about Strider fixed blades breaking in the field, or not being up to the task? I have not seen them. In fact, the Strider in Noss4's video held up pretty well. Much better than the carbon steel Becker fared I might add. You may be correct, however, as I am not a user of 1055 steel.

Regards,
3G
 
Get real. How sharp is that blade going to be after bashing in a couple doors and a few cinder blocks or rock walls regardless of what steel it is? If you want an apple slicer for your military duty knife use something made for keeping an edge vs being tough but don't complain when it breaks or doesn't slice anymore. A leaf spring suits the job better in that type tool if its sharpened thick like a sharpened pry bar would be. Its a tough tool not a cutter for the most part but thats something it could do also in a pinch. S30V has always been the wrong steel for many of these tactical jobs makers have it doing.

By the way. Mick brought this kind of stuff on himself when he opened the can of worms up that took him to court in the first place by pissing off the wrong Vet on a public forum. As the old saying goes. He made his own bed, now he has to sleep in it and if its got lumps in it well thats just too bad I guess. He has the support of good people though and for that I give him the benefit of the doubt but he didn't make any head way with me or many other vets I know by that whole fiasco if the truth be told. Thompson doesn't surprise me. He is just being Thompson. Shouldn't surprise any of us at this point IMO.

STR
 
STR,
You're a member of "the other place", too. How many complaints do you recall seeing, here or "there", about Strider fixed blades breaking in the field, or not being up to the task? I have not seen them. In fact, the Strider in Noss4's video held up pretty well. Much better than the carbon steel Becker fared I might add. You may be correct, however, as I am not a user of 1055 steel.

Regards,
3G

Funny you mention that. I am actually surprised at how quickly the Becker Failed. The failure was way to premature in my opinion. The Strider considering it is S30V which is not a tough steel, did last longer than I thought, but no where near as long as the K-Bar did.
 
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