Cold Steel Strider rip-0ff

[3Guardsmen]

Funny you mention that. I am actually surprised at how quickly the Becker Failed. The failure was way to premature in my opinion. The Strider considering it is S30V which is not a tough steel, did last longer than I thought, but no where near as long as the K-Bar did.

True about the Ka Bar (and the CS Bushman)! The fairly positive performance of the Strider does say something about what a good heat treat can offer a steel. I guess Camillus must have flubbed the heat treat on the Becker though

Regards,
3G

 

[hardheart]

so Striders are bought on the rep of the maker

but we ignore any false claims of military service or criminal record

they are bought on the basis of their high 'strength' and 'toughness'

but we ignore basic metallurgy and don't think a low alloy carbon steel will be better suited; not only that, but now the sharpened prybar is said to be better for having a wear resistant steel...

F&F on Striders is not important, because they are meant to be used, and not using a knife is a waste

but killerskill can spend as much as Strider asks for one because it can just sit on his desk and appreciate in value on the secondary market

It is better to be a criminal and liar than to insult one when you are trying to sell something. Support Americans, even those who no longer have the right to vote and piggyback on the acts of the real servicemen. :thumbup:

 

[symphonyincminor]

Yeah, you're right! No knife cuts and retains an edge like foreign made, cold-forged, spring-tempered, 1055, medium carbon steel. You were talking about a "knife", right? Not a leaf-spring for your truck?

Regards,
3G

I buy knives based on the merit of the knife, and not the company marketing it. That's not to say that I don't take into consideration company ethics. Say, if Spyderco and Benchmade both put out a similar product with similar materials and lock-strength, I'd buy the Spyderco hands-down because of Sal's business ethics and overall company philosophy.

On the other hand, you can get rabid fans of some cutlery companies that don't care what materials the company uses, even if they aren't the the optimum materials for a particular knife.

 

[Cobalt]

When your talking Lynn Thompson, that is similar to Mad Dog and others. They will say things that most people wonder why they just can't let their product speak for itself. Well, this is a headstrong industry with a lot of head strong people and fighting will occur.

I agree that the personal attack on strider is classless if it is him who is being mentioned. Not sure why CS feels it has to attack other makers when pushing it's own products.

Lynn did this to Busse back in the late 90's and it backfired. Remember this add....

 

[STR]

Yeah. I am a member and I love the place but I also feel what I feel and can't help that. S30V is a great steel don't get me wrong. In the proper thickness it can be somewhat of a chameleon capable of doing a lot but its not known for the kind of toughness a 1055 or 5160 steel is known for. I look at the cost, the job its supposed to do and I feel they could do that same knife in one of the above steels with a coating, or even an L6 type steel and get much the same performance in the field at a 1/3rd the cost to the servicemen using them.

I may be wrong but its my belief that a lot of people will tend to pussy foot with using a very expensive knife vs what they'll do to a $30 one. I think a lot of times this is even unconscious to be honest. It is kind of like Motor Trend comparing the Lincoln Navigator to the Jeep Cherokee in that four wheel drive test when they took the Nav up a tiny hill and it got up it and then they took the Jeep up a steeper one with mud and loose rock where it got stuck. Then they gave the Jeep the lower rating when the test wasn't fair because they didn't really test the Nav at all in an apples to apples test. They just unconsciously ran both without thinking what they were doing and didnt' even know until readers informed them of how they fixed the results.

STR

 

[3Guardsmen]

I buy knives based on the merit of the knife, and not the company marketing it. That's not to say that I don't take into consideration company ethics. Say, if Spyderco and Benchmade both put out a similar product with similar materials and lock-strength, I'd buy the Spyderco hands-down because of Sal's business ethics and overall company philosophy.

On the other hand, you can get rabid fans of some cutlery companies that don't care what materials the company uses, even if they aren't the the optimum materials for a particular knife.

I'm not a big Strider fan. I'm just a lot less of a Cold Steel fan. If you feel a mass produced, Chinese made, spring-steel, Strider lookalike will better suit your uses, go for it.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

STR,
You make a very valid point. I would like to see how this G.I. Tanto fares when it is released. Maybe Noss4 will be able to get his hands on one.

Regards,
3G

 

[STR]

I buy both if I see something I like. I let the knife do the talking. The hell with who made it. Does the knife work and is the price right for what I want? If not move on period.

If these makers really want to do the enlisted serviceman a service they will provide a good tough knife at a reasonable cost to him. Most of the guys I know that are in the Military are family men with growing kids, a dog, a loving wife that worries sick about having the money to live from pay check to pay check. Making these ridiculously expensive knives designed for them to use and then pricing them so high is not a service to them IMO. In that respect Lynn has the right idea and it should be duplicated by everyone.

Do any of these makers know how many of our servicemen recieve food stamps everymonth to suppliment their income or do they just miss that fact or not care when they price these knives?

STR

 

[Dog of War]

I have precious little respect for either Lynn Thompson or Mick Strider, but that has little to with the products they sell and promote. I also have little respect for the hype and fanciful claims a lot of knife manufacturers use in trying to sell their products. So IMO all that's pretty much a wash, and a level (if deeply sunken) playing field.

That said, most of Strider's designs make very little sense, especially in the steels they're offered in. 1055 at least makes more sense in a knife like this, and might well be the better tool for what would appear to be the intended purpose ... meaning, actual work, not just sitting around and looking tough.

Regardless of which one is better, neither IMO is a well-designed tool in absolute terms. Sacrificing cutting performance in a knife for prying ability and a certain popular, 'tactical' look doesn't do it for me.

 

[jill jackson]

Thing is when it comes to copy of a knife design there seems to be very little legal recourse. Its not something that can be patented. I don't think a lot of soldiers really care about knives from what I've seen. They'd mostly use whatever works. Ones walking around with 400 dollar knives would be into knives anyway. I don't doubt that most would be happy with a 30 dollar (less from a dealer) that didn't break. I think some people will always rip-off, any design and push it over the original to the extent that the law will allow them. It just seems to bother knife people a lot more than it does most others. I don't care what Cold Steel makes or says. If I don't feel the need to buy whatever he's pushing I will ignore it. Some soldier in Iraq has one of his blades rather than nothing and it helps him out in his duties its not a huge big deal to me. After all not many would pay a lot for a knife they are going to be treating so poorly.

 

[hardheart]

if they get into the PX alongside the SRK and Spike, they will sell well to service members anyway.

 

[killerskill]

VAAKO. Why do you keep saying the real strider is a rip off of an Emerson? Because it's a tanto? The knives are TOTALLY different. The specwar has a completely different handle ergos, it looks like rubber of some sort, it's also CHISLE GROUND. I could go on and on. the only similarity is that it resembles a tanto.and as for the performance of the striders you said-

That's a bit of an exaggeration, yes? The CS Trailmaster or the Mission Knives MPK would beat a Strider for prying strength.

...and "hard core users" knows how important that is. Using a knife as a prybar is almost as important as whether or not it will punch through a car door.

Come on, Have you really ever heard of a strider failing? Everyone that finally buys a strider become strider addicts, Like Busse people.--Quote by3G--

STR,
You're a member of "the other place", too. How many complaints do you recall seeing, here or "there", about Strider fixed blades breaking in the field, or not being up to the task? I have not seen them. In fact, the Strider in Noss4's video held up pretty well. Much better than the carbon steel Becker fared I might add.

Regards,
3G

Everyone knows thay are top of the line, some just like different styles. And I said a Strider is in no way a rip-off you wrote-

....Well, that's your opinion such as it is, but it's certainly not a fact. There are comparable, better finished knives that cost less, which certainly is a fact.

How can knives that perform in the top % of all knives made, that even if it does fail will be fixed or replaced, And has a warrenty that fallows the knife not the original owner, And a knife that when you buy it and keep it for awhile,you can accually sell it or trade it for way more than the original msrp, IN ANY WAY be a rip-off? The CS knife in question is an exact reproduction of a Strider. Everything is the same. the blade, the gaurd is exact, even down to the slant on the pommel, that most striders have, even buck/striders. And as for made in America. Companies like Emerson and Strider have small production shops, and employ skilled american craftsman. If you're young and live where they make the knives you could possibly get a job for one of them, and learn a valuble trade. You could have a carreer and benifits to support a family. It's american buisness like those, and other small buisness, that make this country. As for the knives you listed, cold steel DOES NOT MAKE KNIVES they are a marketing firm. None of the knives you mentioned where made in a cold steel production shop in the U.S. because there AREN'T ANY. Those where made by Camillus, Once a good american company. it's workers, who where in the local steelworkers union went on strike. 15 came back, with less pay, just to box and ship the knives that come from over seas(china and tiawan)now.And you keep saying, when I say who cares who was in prison, you say-

...well, that's what Lynn Thompson plans to find out. If nobody cares, then there's no reason to get angry when Cold Steel makes all those buyers out there aware of it, is there? They won't pay the least bit attention to it, will they?

No body will care. a good knife is a good knife. cold Steel knives are for the most part sub-par and over priced, and lynn is a bloated diXXheaX, And people still buy CS. So all he was doing was using low blows, that nobody that likes striders cares about anyway,AFTER he ripped of the knife, just to be an ass. And if you guys didn't know Mick and Lynn have a kind of ''history''. VAAKO I don't understand why every post you've made on this topic, is defending cold steel. You're defending Cold steel ripping off a Strider knife, makeing it in china, and talking SH&%. I don't get it. Are you buddies with Lynn Thompson. And whats this supposed to mean-

...another typically incisive remark showing both the intelligence and character of the Strider crowd. It was polite and civil until you started flaming. Good job.

What is the intelligence and character of the strider crowd.I'm in the strider crowd. I have knives, t-shirts. I edc 3 every day. I have the logo with the sword and wings tattoo'd on my forearm. I think I'm in the strider crowd. Are you questioning my character? You don't even know me. I think you have something personal with strider, thats the only reason someone would publicly defend the actions of cold steel In this case. I think there might be a lot of the ''Strider crowd'' around and I think they, and I would like to know what you mean by that. Bottom line. Strider makes Awesome American made knives.:thumbup: Cold Steel is slimy and markets chineese. and did I mention they are slimy.

 

[killerskill]

One more thing, There is/was a place for CS knives for me. They made good beaters. and the knife in question would be good to take to the woods and throw at trees, But the fact that it's a blatant rip-off then he talks trash about it, then moves manunacturing over seas. I'm done with them. Also, before the same type of cord handled knife, the true flight thrower, cord wraped and made with carbon-v, made in the USA for $20 to $30 was great. But with this crap now and everything else I've learned on the forums about CS and Lynn I'm done. Why would I support a jerk like that, and PAY CHINA when there are thousands of good MADE IN USA choices. you might think it doesn't make a difference, buying american. But if everyone, just on these forums even tried to, just alittle, it could keep thousands of knives made here, and maybe save hundreds of jobs. Or maybe I'm an optimist. Well atleast I'm going to do it, and rant about it everychance I get

 

[tirod3]

Really, what's the difference between CS ad copy and Dark Ops? Overwrought puffery designed to attract attention to sell knives. And the product lines? Import copies of other designers work - intended to look the same, sold cheap to grab the impulse dollar from knife users with no clue about construction or intellectual property concerns.

Now, just like happened before, when the BS hit the fan and somebody had to retract statements, what will be the unintended consequences of LT's published black and white comments?

I remember A.G. getting bit over a SAK putdown.

So far, the CS crowd is saying "That's Lynn - it's ok, but that Mick guy is a dirtbag for doing it." Which is exactly like the mantra "The President lied about WMD's!" from the supporters of a opposing party whose President was convicted of the same and disbarred.

It's shilling and an attempt at a coverup.

Those that claim "well, it's part of his reputation and people have a right to know" are missing the fact that CS is equally exposed as well.

Those of you who want to wrestle with this muddy mess will hopefully remember how much the pig enjoys it.

 

[TorzJohnson]

Yeah, but who cares if Strider/Berger or whoever was in prison?... And really who cares who was in prison? ...Who cares.

With all due respect, I think the guy who was carjacked at gunpoint might care.

 

[roughedges]

I don't even like Strider products... well, some of their folders seem like they are pretty damn good, just not for me. That being said, Cold Steel's advertising copy, regardless if its true or not, is a bunch of crap. It's like they hired a bunch of drunken would-be internet warriors to write copy for them.

But then, I guess thats who they are marketing to, as well.

 

[hardheart]

yep, they certainly are trying for the Strider crowd

 

[RedEdge77]

That does it for me. I once would have at least considered some of CS's products, but now I'll never buy anything CS related. They've lost a customer for life. Thanks for bringing this to my attention Killerskill.

I'm sure losing one customer will really upset thompson . If you haven't noticed yet he is not trying to appeal to the people educated about knives. He is appealing to those people who see these knives, like the way they look, by the dvd, and become fanboys soon after.

 

[RedEdge77]

I buy both if I see something I like. I let the knife do the talking. The hell with who made it. Does the knife work and is the price right for what I want? If not move on period.

STR

Exactly. Lynn is deffinetly not the most respectable guy out there but if the knife is good for the money thats what I care about. I'm sure at some point i will buy a strider. If I like it i'll keep it, if not then just move on.

 

[STR]

I always kind of chuckle when people bring up the 'how many Strider knives have you read about failing' question like it really means much. You can find them if you look by the way. There are reports both of problems with their knives here and on other forums. Most of these get reported to the company. Only they know the real number and I'm sure its a good record for how the knives hold up in general but truthfully, based on past responses (or should I say attacks?) from Mick and Strider in general as well as Strider apologists and fans whenever anyone questioned anything about their products publically or even said something in the slightest way negative about them is it any wonder there isn't more posted when one of them gives a problem? I can think of three recent posts where Strider fans chewed a guy a new a hole for his comments and thats on this forum alone.

I mean look at it for what it is. Mick makes a fine product although expensive. We all know that. The truth is the product is better than the man from what has been let out to the public regarding his past which isn't necessarily uncommon. Forget the prison thing. When he posts things like "lick my sack loser" or other such vulgarity to his customers as his responses to their concerns, questions, or comment publically in front of all the other knife people that frequent these forums it really doesn't impress me at all or make me want to stand up for him when he digs himself a deep fox hole he can't get out of. I have enjoyed owning a few of the Strider products myself but I doubt Buck would have the same relationship with him that they currently have if they had known up front that he learned how to make knives in a federal pen and lied to them about his being somewhere serving his country when in fact he was behind bars. And I'd say the same thing about my brother if he did such a thing so don't think I'm just picking on poor Mick. There is no excuse for that or his actions that landed him in the pen.

Maybe some can overlook these things and let it go maybe some can't but I don't see any reason to be judgemental or angry at the people that can't let it go or feel it changed the way they look at him or his products. Frankly my wife and my family wonder why I even bought a Strider at all after that whole thing came out being from a long line of Vets and living with a wife that is a retired Col. from 22 years active duty. My wife never usually comments about things like that but she had opinions and loud ones when I bought that PT a while back. Mick's actions bother a lot of vets and a lot more than you read about because many of them prefer not to rock the boat but believe me they talk about it privately. You guys that take up for that behavior slap the vets in the face everytime you open your mouths IMO. You are better off letting it go. Again my opinion.

STR