Cold Steel VS Zero Tolerance

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ursamajor said:
Anything that has a liner or frame lock, that is billed with the words "Hard Use" is complete BS. It is like calling a Toyota Prius, a race car. Nothing wrong with a liner lock, or a frame lock-they have their place. Hard use is not it-just like there is nothing wrong wit a Prius. But it is not a supercar.
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Please define "hard use". Thanks! :thumbup:
 
crom said:
Quiet, it's actually a titanium frameock with bronze washers. I thought I'd relate a story that shows there are times when a strong lock is valued for things other than normal approved knife uses by know it alls on these boards.
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Ok, so in other words, your non-Triad lock is equally useful for "hard use"? Sweet, thanks! :thumbup:
 
Man, this thread has been flat out entertaining. It's like watching a bunch of European car guys try to talk down to American muscle car guys, talking about how sure, their cars are fast, but in the "twisties", the Eurocars are better. Then you show the video where the Mustang GT beat the M3 around a track by a smidge, and suddenly the excuses start. Things like "Well, the Mustang is more likely to break down!"


LOL Good to know that excuses generally use universal language. :thumbup:
 
PURPLEDC said:
If a light knife with decent steel at an affordable price is what you need then sure cold steel is a great value brand if you can get past the mall ninja marketing. But i just dont see it as a good comparison. The way you are presenting your argument you could literally take any knife company and insert its name where zt is and you would still feel it applies. I still think you are a bit hing up on marketing and take it a bit too literally.



Then id say someone is adjusting their pivot a bit too tight.
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Any company that has released a single knife that has tiger stripes on it is full bore, one billion percent, mall ninja. PERIOD.
 
crom said:
Yeah it is Quiet maybe you should read more and post less.
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Perhaps you should try to focus your message better. "Here's an anecdote about me using my non-Triad lock in what I perceive to be a hard-use situation! That means that Triad locks are awesome!" Your actual message reads as "NON-Triad locks are awesome!" :thumbup:
 
I posted a valid test of a lock that isn't approved by the safe collectors and knife hobbyists here to illustrate when a knife can be used in a manner that negates what it was designed to do. The model or make is irrelevant, having a reliable lock is indeed a feature and why berate somebody who wants the best?
 
I have a strong grip. Never had an issue with a Framelock. Impossible to fold if you aren't doing it wrong. Physics. And stuff.

Liner locks can be hit or miss. ZTs have beastly liner locks.
 
crom said:
I posted a valid test of a lock that isn't approved by the safe collectors and knife hobbyists here to illustrate when a knife can be used in a manner that negates what it was designed to do. The model or make is irrelevant, having a reliable lock is indeed a feature and why berate somebody who wants the best?
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All I can advise is that you go back and read my posts again. I stand by them: having "the best" lock doesn't mean that the knife is any better at hard use tasks than other knives. Then we get anecdotal fluff like "Well, ZT liner and frame locks are more likely to fail after light spine tapping!" I literally just pulled my ZT 0350 and my 0562 out, tapped 'em both with the spine of a fixed blade, and wouldn't you know it? Neither lock failed. So, when people are forced to use highly shaky anecdotal comments in order to try to justify why one knife is clearly better at an actually-undefined task than another, sorry, my "Bad Logic" alarm goes off. Is what it is, man.

P.S. I actually own multiple Cold Steel knives. They're decent, and were inexpensive. But when I'm going out to do some work on my parents' property, I'm taking the ZT 0561 along, not my large Voyager. And in fact, I've done so many times. So, this entire thread has been serious entertainment.
 
Spine whacks are total nonsense. It's not any rational test remotely representative of how anyone, with two brain cells to rub together, uses a knife.

A machete sucks at clearing weeds if you turn it the wrong way.

Your cellphone is impossible to read if you are looking at the wrong side.

...and if you shoot your gun the wrong direction...
 
Quiet said:
Please define "hard use". Thanks! :thumbup:
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A folder that can be used in the same manner as a fixed blade, if said fixed blade had a blade of equal materials, design, grind, etc.

Nutnfancy has the absolute worst batoning technique, I have ever seen. If he can beat with a club, a tanto point recon one again, and again, it is a testament to it's strength period, that the knife did not end up in pieces-lt alone the lock not have any blade play. I have owned ZTs, they could not stand up to that.

The INVENTOR of the frame lock, Mr Chris Reeves himself, says not to flick open the knife, or the frame lock will develop lock rock. There are liner locks, and frame locks I really like, just like I like slip joints. They have their place, and strength wise, they are closer together, than a frame lock is to a lock back-forget the Triad.
 
ursamajor said:
A folder that can be used in the same manner as a fixed blade, if said fixed blade had a blade of equal materials, design, grind, etc.

Nutnfancy has the absolute worst batoning technique, I have ever seen. If he can beat with a club, a tanto point recon one again, and again, it is a testament to it's strength period, that the knife did not end up in pieces-lt alone the lock not have any blade play. I have owned ZTs, they could not stand up to that.

The INVENTOR of the frame lock, Mr Chris Reeves himself, says not to flick open the knife, or the frame lock will develop lock rock. There are liner locks, and frame locks I really like, just like I like slip joints. They have their place, and strength wise, they are closer together, than a frame lock is to a lock back-forget the Triad.
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Ah, so what you're saying is that "hard use" is actually "hard abuse, using a knife in a manner in which it is not intended." Gotcha.

If you choose to abuse your property, that's fine. But again, I go back to the shoe/soup bowl analogy. If you have something designed to be used NOT as intended, then you really don't have any place saying it's better than other products which work exceptionally well as intended. Soup bowl shoes aren't better than regular shoes at being shoes, just because they hold soup.
 
One thing I've learned about Linear locks over the years is that it is like putting in a small automatic transmission inside a 2015 435hp Ford Mustang. It is very clear that the transmission will not be able to perform under the hard use of the engine's powers.

In relation to ZT linear lock knives, it has the same idea in that the whole body of the knife itself is ready for hard use, no question. It is the linear lock that is the weakest link (regardless on if it works for folks and never failed or not, still the weakest link).
 
Just like I have a Blur that somehow got a reputation of having a potential to fail in spine whacks. I went and whacked mine against The Grapes of Wrath. Stayed open. It was the s60v blade that kept it from folding I am sure. I take that stuff with a grain of salt. However, I value a knife as a sum of its parts, and I want a balance. I was kidding about the Blur and why it didn't fold.
 
ursamajor said:
A folder that can be used in the same manner as a fixed blade, if said fixed blade had a blade of equal materials, design, grind, etc
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But the design is NOT equal. That's the entire point. And why apples are not oranges.
 
J_Curd said:
Spine whacks are total nonsense. It's not any rational test remotely representative of how anyone, with two brain cells to rub together, uses a knife.
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So if you are reaching down behind something to cut it, it is impossible to accidentally hit the back of the knife, against a fixed object, with a significant amount of force, while pulling your arm back out? It is not intentional, yet people don't intentional crash their cars either. And if most people used their cars, the way that most people on this board used their folders, they would just start and stop them in their garage, and never drive them.

But for the rest of us, who use our knives in a utilitarian manner, the spines do get accidentally "whacked"
 
ursamajor said:
So if you are reaching down behind something to cut it, it is impossible to accidentally hit the back of the knife, against a fixed object, with a significant amount of force? It is not intentional, yet people don't intentional crash their cars either. And if most people used their cars, the way that most people on this board used their folders, they would just start and stop them in their garage, and never drive them.

But for the rest of us, who use our knives in a utilitarian manner, the spines do get accidentally "whacked"
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Please stop attempting to infer that people who don't abuse their knives and use them in manners they weren't designed for is somehow the same as never using them. Thanks. I would also daresay that there are fewer people in your "rest of us" crowd who are somehow experiencing regular spine wacking situations in their knife use.
 
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