Cold Steels Blade Weaknesses

I bought a Cold Steel Recon Tanto, and it lost it's edge within a week. It wont cut 550 cord in less than 4 strokes on a 7 inch blade. Thats poor quality in my book. The blade is tough, and i have used it as a pry bar on occasion, since it wont cut anything. My advice is to just stay away from CS altogher, i have had nothing but problems with mine.
 
Initial edges are often fairly poor. You might want to resharpen it, and possibly adjust the edge angle and finishing grit to a more suitable profile and finish.

-Cliff
 
I currently have a Cold Steel Tai Pan that was a gift to me from a good friend and student. I carried a Cold Steel Gunsite 5 inch on duty for approximately 3 years. That was my everyday carry during that period, it handled everything I threw at it. I had a recon folder in clip point and tanto point and did not like them,their lock failed with a light hit on the spine of the blade agianst the tree in my backyard. I did not go spine whack crazy, but that incident made me part with those two models quickly. I think most informed knife buyers see through the smoke screen and understand you get what you pay for. Other than the Tai Pan my experience with cold steel has been less than $60.00 dollars or less. Compare it to the same dollar spent on a Spyderco or other quality models... well you get the picture!
 
The one thing that all the knife companies have in common is that some people hate at least one of them with a passion and many of them aren't shy about expressing it. I'm happy at having the variety of knives we have -- well, I think I am -- maybe there are too many. It's getting where I carry different knives on different days just because I feel like it. The CS Voyagers are fairly decent. The Recon Tanto is just a carbon steel and once the blade is set it should sharpen and wear like carbon steel.
 
whether or not they are good, once you knowof spyderco, benchmade etc why bother. if you want cheaper buy kershaw.

i dont deal with people who just lie. you cant respect them in anyway.
i wanted an arc angel,now i cant buy one(or just dont want to) cos of the logo on it.

most of these companies price things fairly and according to the current market.cs dont.

i was looking at balis the other day and saw the arcangel nextto the 42,35 etc and swa it was double the price and instantly thought "oh, it must be a higher grade of knife , its $100 more"

dont be fooled. they lie, disrespect the knife community and charge loads more for the same thing than everyone else.

just look at the steel, knife shape/materials of a cs you like , then buy something with the same specs elsewhere and probably get something better, cheaper and not made by cold steel.
 
DANTHEMAN123 said:
i dont deal with people who just lie. you cant respect them in anyway.

most of these companies price things fairly and according to the current market.cs dont.


dont be fooled. they lie, disrespect the knife community and charge loads more for the same thing than everyone else.
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Really?

Quote one actual lie. Not something you don't like. Not something you disagree with. Not something you think is wrong- but an actual lie.

Do you run a mass production knife company? Do you know or understand the cost involved and the actual mark-up to srp for any knife company, let alone CS. Were you in on any of their management meetings when price points are decided? Were you in on any of the meetings when they discussed just how much they have to pay for the manufacture of their products?

When you haters jump up and say things like "they lie" and "they charge too much" or whatever, you need to back up what you say with PROOF. Not just your opinion that you would like to be a fact, but an actual fact. So... show me.
 
DngrRuss1 said:
When you haters jump up and say things like "they lie" and "they charge too much" or whatever, you need to back up what you say with PROOF. Not just your opinion that you would like to be a fact, but an actual fact. So... show me.
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Proof? Cold Steel are the ones that use proof. And more proof. We just make up lies about a very nice man and his very good (no, not crap crap at all) knives.
 
LOL!! it all boils down to "If you like 'em then buy 'em, if you don't, then don't" I think some of their products are overhyped and overpriced crap, but, I love some of their products as well...I buy the ones I like, and ignore the ones I don't.
 
have cold steel send three of thier toughest blades and if put them thru what i put my busse hell razor thru and they come out in one peice (they dont even have to be sharp) then i will change my tune....
 
So I take it that the general consensus here is that not even the legendry C.S. Trailmaster is worth jack?
 
DngrRuss1 said:
When you haters jump up and say things like "they lie" and "they charge too much" or whatever, you need to back up what you say with PROOF. Not just your opinion that you would like to be a fact, but an actual fact. So... show me.
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Don't tell me that we have to make our own DVD to counter the ones that CS puts out.

Then again maybe we should. A friend of mine has a pretty good video camera, of course I'll have to sterilize it after what he's been using it for (or so he claims). All I really have to do is practice my stern idiotic look for after I cut something with a knife. I don't usually have a problem with an idiotic look, but the stern idiotic look is harder than you'd think.

I'll work on that over the weekend.

Jubei
 
IMHO, if you want a very tough do anything blade this is the one to get. My Army Recon platoon leading son used one in Baghdad for 18 months. Said it was great for opening doors, house and car. Of course they sharpened their knives daily.

Doesn't cost as much as a nice gun either or have a handle that will put blisters on your hand like some of those high-end jobs will do.

http://www.m9bayonet.com/

The Russians, Isralies, Chinese, and many others have similar battle knife/bayonets.

And it comes with a built-in wire cutter as part of the sheath!!!

http://www.specwargear.com/knife-1.html

http://www.1sks.com/store/ontario-m9-bayonet-black.html
 
DngrRuss1 said:
Really?

Quote one actual lie.

So... show me.
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In the fall, 2003 “Riposte,” published in Cold Steel’s “Special Projects” catalog, Lynn Thompson stated the following:

“No one loves our men and women in uniform more than Cold Steel. That’s why, over the last 23 years, we have tried to honor them by never trying to profit by associating our knives with any branch of the service or special units like the Navy SEAL’s or the Army’s Delta Force.”


But….

Cold Steel’s advertising says this:

“The Recon Tanto is redefining the standard for combat knives. It is fast becoming the preferred fixed blade for SWAT teams and special military units.”
(http://www.coldsteel.com/13rtk.html)

“The Special Forces Shovel is modeled after the original Soviet Spetznaz shovel. The Spetznaz soldiers made up the most elite unit in the Soviet Army. The U.S. equivalent would be our Green Berets.”
(http://www.coldsteel.com/92sfs.html)

“Best Selling Non-Issue Combat Knife of the Iraqi War”
(Used to describe the SRK in the “Special Projects” catalog http://www.neverunarmed.com/other/Spring_06.pdf)

Cold Steel has stated in the “More Proof” & “Solid Proof” videos that the SRK is issued to SEAL’s attending BUD/S training, and mentions the Navy SEAL’s in association with their (Cold Steel's) Kukris. Watch the video, the “Proof” is right there.

Let’s look at some of Cold Steel’s product names, and see if we can find an association with “any branch of the service or special units,” shall we:

“Recon Tanto”
“Recon 1”
“Military Classic”
“Special Forces Shovel”

Best wishes,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
In the fall, 2003 “Riposte,” published in Cold Steel’s “Special Projects” catalog, Lynn Thompson stated the following:

“No one loves our men and women in uniform more than Cold Steel. That’s why, over the last 23 years, we have tried to honor them by never trying to profit by associating our knives with any branch of the service or special units like the Navy SEAL’s or the Army’s Delta Force.”


But….

Cold Steel’s advertising says this:

“The Recon Tanto is redefining the standard for combat knives. It is fast becoming the preferred fixed blade for SWAT teams and special military units.”
(http://www.coldsteel.com/13rtk.html)

“The Special Forces Shovel is modeled after the original Soviet Spetznaz shovel. The Spetznaz soldiers made up the most elite unit in the Soviet Army. The U.S. equivalent would be our Green Berets.”
(http://www.coldsteel.com/92sfs.html)

“Best Selling Non-Issue Combat Knife of the Iraqi War”
(Used to describe the SRK in the “Special Projects” catalog http://www.neverunarmed.com/other/Spring_06.pdf)

Cold Steel has stated in the “More Proof” & “Solid Proof” videos that the SRK is issued to SEAL’s attending BUD/S training, and mentions the Navy SEAL’s in association with their (Cold Steel's) Kukris. Watch the video, the “Proof” is right there.

Let’s look at some of Cold Steel’s product names, and see if we can find an association with “any branch of the service or special units,” shall we:

“Recon Tanto”
“Recon 1”
“Military Classic”
“Special Forces Shovel”

Best wishes,
3G
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Semantics, not a lie.

What LT was referring to is the rash of knives that have SWAT, or Recon, or whatever emblazoned on them just to sell them. These knives are usually of substandard quality and rely on their tough-guy appearance and logo to sell product rather than quality and usefullness. The issue LT and CS has with those products is that they use the name of military or law enforcement units to mislead the public to think that they are tougher than they are or that they might be used by said units.

I heard a story from a knife seller where he said, "if you want to sell knives to cops or wannabes, just put 'police' on the blade. Quality doesn't matter, they want the name." I am paraphrasing and he was not referring to the Spyderco Police model(s) for the simple fact that they are a quaity product. Look at the junk offered on the late night Knife Show on home shopping and you can see what LT was referring to.

Stating that the above items are "best selling" to the military is not a lie, neither is it "using" the military to sell product. It is a fact pulled from the military distributors and their sales records. How is that either wrong or misleading? CS couldn't and wouldn't put such in print without facts to back them up.

The Special Forces Shovel is a decades old design and was used by Russian Special Forces. LT didn't create a new and completely different shovel of substandard quality and then call it a Special Forces shovel. Again, where is the lie?

Military Classic- the original Randall was designed for and used by the military. Where is the lie?

Recon 1 and Recon Tanto- certainly not substandard knives. Now the haters may accuse me of arguing semantics here, but while these items have a military sounding name, they can stand up to the punishment they were designed for and do their jobs very well. The name doesn't just sell the knives, the quality does. The Recon Tanto has been in the CS line for many years and is on of the staples of all their products. So I don't see this as a lie or misleading.

Again, anybody thinks that LT and CS is lying- call them, write them, go to the CS Challenge and confront them. They will back up their statements- will you?
 
Sorry- that last line sounded kinda rude and snotty. I try reaally hard to not sink to the level of the haters.

3G- that was not meant specifically for you. You've actually been reasonable and polite in your questions.

I have never held back the fact that I have friends at CS and that it gets my ire up when people here call them names like liars and theives. I have no problem with aggressively defending them, but I don't want to make this a tit-fot-tat abuse festival with the haters.
 
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