Concerns About Survive! Business and Misleading Lead Time Estimates

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rcb2000 said:
And its DEFINATELY not you making another account,, got it :thumbup::rolleyes:
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Itll be better than me creating an account how about a video? Kind of hard to describe something like this just typing. Again he's a very well known Custom Knife maker and he thinks what survive knives is doing is deplorable. They owe money to vendors, they're lying to customers and they're not going to be in business much longer.
 
first alchemy said:
Itll be better than me creating an account how about a video? Kind of hard to describe something like this just typing. Again he's a very well known Custom Knife maker and he thinks what survive knives is doing is deplorable. They owe money to vendors, they're lying to customers and they're not going to be in business much longer.
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Cant wait to see it, whats his name? Since he will be making a video and going public, it won't matter if you tell us his name right?
Unless that is, you're full of it.
Put up or shut up
 
first alchemy said:
Itll be better than me creating an account how about a video? Kind of hard to describe something like this just typing. Again he's a very well known Custom Knife maker and he thinks what survive knives is doing is deplorable. They owe money to vendors, they're lying to customers and they're not going to be in business much longer.
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You'd maybe be a lot more credible if you weren't acting like a maniac. You might be telling truths, but why the hell are you so insanely angry? Seriously, chill before you blow a gasket. Please.
 
first alchemy said:
The Custom Knife maker that I'm friends with he knows about this thread and he will be creating an account either tonight or tomorrow and he's going to call survive Knives Out he's a direct source and if you don't believe what he says then all of you are biased fan boys for survive knives.
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First Alchemy, Please Please..PLEASE bud, don't get this thread locked. Can you and whomever please parse out your stronger language to a new Good Bad Ugly thread? No one is stopping you from posting here, but you got to parse your language and tone in BF. I don't think this manufactures sub is "technically" supposed to be used as an unloading flame fest and BF mods have been gracious to let us take our concerns here - (key word concerns). I have no power here, but asking you nicely for EVERYONE'S sake including yours, the SK fans, critics, and haters.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/699-FEEDBACK-The-Good-The-Bad-The-Ugly!
 
Skystorm said:
I would have to respectfully disagree. Respect is earned on an individual basis, not owed or demanded.
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I get what you are saying and agree that respect is earned. IMHO, Silver Needle has earned it.

I also respect your opinion. If you don't feel SN has earned it, that's cool. Like you said, we can agree to disagree.

BTW, I am still loving and using the sheaths you made for me. Other than kydex, they are the toughest sheaths I own and great pieces of craftsmanship.
 
Survive ! Knives threads have become explosive, with posters losing control of courtesy, logic, and topic. When we get someone like first alchemy becoming practically incoherent, we need a break. I am closing this thread for a time out. If Guy or Ellie would like to reopen it, or have me do so, I will.

See ya later.
 
Lets see if this discussion can continue after this short break. No more hysteria or personal attacks, please.
 
I've been reading this thread since the beginning, I was curious about S!K when they first started the initial funding but being on a fixed income I knew I'd have to wait till I could seriously check them out. With all that's happened in the last year or so I'm kind of glad I listened to the voice of reason, (Mrs T.) and waited. The problem is I'm still, like most, curious and would like to have the opportunity to someday see what all the hub bub was about. I'm afraid that that chance might not happen and a good knife because of it's rarity becomes beyond my budget, we'll see what happens but it's not looking good.

I've read 30 pages of what different people think went and is wrong, my question is what would it take to make it right and put them back on the right path. I hate to see any knife manufacturers fail especially one that seemed to have some promise. There's still gotta be a chance for redemption, there's gotta be a course of action that although will never satisfy everyone might just make enough happy to fill the orders and continue making knives or is it too late?

I guess no matter what, the lesson learned here is never pay upfront for a knife today that they'll gladly give you tuesday. ;)
 
T. Erdelyi said:
I've been reading this thread since the beginning, I was curious about S!K when they first started the initial funding but being on a fixed income I knew I'd have to wait till I could seriously check them out. With all that's happened in the last year or so I'm kind of glad I listened to the voice of reason, (Mrs T.) and waited. The problem is I'm still, like most, curious and would like to have the opportunity to someday see what all the hub bub was about. I'm afraid that that chance might not happen and a good knife because of it's rarity becomes beyond my budget, we'll see what happens but it's not looking good.

I've read 30 pages of what different people think went and is wrong, my question is what would it take to make it right and put them back on the right path. I hate to see any knife manufacturers fail especially one that seemed to have some promise. There's still gotta be a chance for redemption, there's gotta be a course of action that although will never satisfy everyone might just make enough happy to fill the orders and continue making knives or is it too late?

I guess no matter what, the lesson learned here is never pay upfront for a knife today that they'll gladly give you tuesday. ;)
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Well said sir
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T. Erdelyi said:
There's still gotta be a chance for redemption, there's gotta be a course of action that although will never satisfy everyone might just make enough happy to fill the orders and continue making knives or is it too late?
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I totally, 1000% agree with this. To me (recognizing that some of this is easier said than done), if it were my business, I'd probably pursue the following course of action:

1) I'd immediately close my books, and stop taking new orders. While there is demand from folks that don't know about (or don't mind) the other shenanigans, and they might need the cashflow from new sales, the ongoing damage to their reputation due to repeatedly releasing and selling newer products before fulfilling their old commitments is too great to continue as they are.

2) If cashflow is their major issue, find an investor or other source of external financing to finish out the existing obligations they have, and deliver the knives at the fastest rate possible. Also contact all outstanding order holders directly, and offer them the option of an immediate refund, along with a realistic timeline for actual delivery.

3) Cancel and refund any production runs for which materials have not yet been purchased. Wait until the ship is righted, and normalcy restored, before selling new models.

4) once the current obligations are met, and the bleeding is stopped, regroup and come up with a new business plan for how to balance quality, price, and general customer satisfaction (ie. how to deliver knives quickly, in achievable numbers, and learn when to say no. Also don't require the buyer to pre-finance the run).

5) By whatever means necessary, stop Guy from being the bottleneck to timely production. He's not the only person who can finish a knife. He should be occupied with running the darned business, and maybe acting as the main quality assurance arbiter, but to have him also mechanically doing production is too much. The first thing I learned about small business when starting mine is that you need to work ON the business, not IN the business. If you're in the boiler room doing the grunt work, then who's conning the ship?
 
first alchemy said:
What's really pissing me off is you. Youre their biggest fan boy and it completely aggravates me to the maximum level that you're trying to back this company up. There's nothing to back up or support. This company is a failure
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While this is very true about Silver needle, you will find that there is a Silver needle fanboy on every manufacturer forums that you just want to punch in the face with their biased opinions. My take on this whole thing is, Survive! Bit off more than they can chew to please everyone, but as long as Guy Seiferd doesn't turn into Daniel Koster, I'm good.

To all S!k fans

Never pre-order and pay for full price. You people were warned when S!K started pre-orders. What a bunch of pussies!!!!
 
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knife chop said:
While this is very true about Silver needle, you will find a Silver needle fanboy on every manufacturer forums. You just have to mentally block his unwise and biased opinions.
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Right out the gate ignore esav huh? :rolleyes:
 
Taking in orders paid in full 1.5 to 2 years in advance of making the knives seems like it might cause some problems for a manufacturer. Things can go up in price significantly in that amount of time .
 
Survive knives both the product and the company have stopped being fun for me. I was drawn to the company after reading about their products and the original founder. I thought it was great to support a new company in the USA making high quality products. That was the beginning and now the ending isn't so great.
Hard earned money was taken with no explicit promise other than a guys reputation. I like to think this commitment was stonget than a line on a pice a paper, but I think that's not the case here. Others have insisted that there was no delivery date and that's true; however, does that really excuse years of waiting? Can you really say that is ok? Don't the people that allowed Survive to purchase the new equipment by funding the company deserve more respect? I don't think it should be up to the individual customers to call and ask for refunds. I think Survive should be on the phone apologizing to each customer and asking them what they would like to do with their orders. I guess what I am saying is I am dissapointed with the lack of gratitude and apprecitiation for the very people who gave Guy a chance to make a successful small business in America.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Lets see if this discussion can continue after this short break. No more hysteria or personal attacks, please.
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knife chop said:
While this is very true about Silver needle, you will find that there is a Silver needle fanboy on every manufacturer forums that you just want to punch in the face with their biased opinions. My take on this whole thing is, Survive! Bit off more than they can chew to please everyone, but as long as Guy Seiferd doesn't turn into Daniel Koster, I'm good.

To all S!k fans

Never pre-order and pay for full price. You people were warned when S!K started pre-orders. What a bunch of pussies!!!!
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That didn't take long......

There is another thread on this topic in the GB&U right now. A more fitting place IMO. That might not last long either though. If you want to personally attack folks there is a subforum for that.
 
craytab said:
That didn't take long......

There is another thread on this topic in the GB&U right now. A more fitting place IMO. That might not last long either though. If you want to personally attack folks there is a subforum for that.
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Seems like that subforum might be the only viable place for this discussion! That's too bad, it is most definitely a discussion worth having.

Do have to give credit to the Survive! subforum mods/company reps for letting the discussion happen so far in their subforum. :thumbup:
 
knife chop said:
While this is very true about Silver needle, you will find that there is a Silver needle fanboy on every manufacturer forums that you just want to punch in the face with their biased opinions. My take on this whole thing is, Survive! Bit off more than they can chew to please everyone, but as long as Guy Seiferd doesn't turn into Daniel Koster, I'm good.

To all S!k fans

Never pre-order and pay for full price. You people were warned when S!K started pre-orders. What a bunch of pussies!!!!
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Classy
 
marcinek said:
Seems like that subforum might be the only viable place for this discussion! That's too bad, it is most definitely a discussion worth having.

Do have to give credit to the Survive! subforum mods/company reps for letting the discussion happen so far in their subforum. :thumbup:
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They don't moderate this subforum frequently.
 
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