CR Project Got Pwnd

Artilary6 said:
If they are paranoid, which im sure they are...they will check this first and fail to respond to me.
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:confused:


Lovely assumption form of "freedom of speech." :jerkit:



Artilary6 said:
However, I am in the market for a hard use knife that will be able to withstand heavy use that is in line with its price.
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Thanks for the laugh, Artilary6 ! Actually, everything about your little e-mail is laughable. :thumbup:
 
Artilary6 said:
If they are paranoid, which im sure they are...they will check this first and fail to respond to me.
email as sent to them:

Mr & Mrs reeve,
The Green Beret knife is touted as tough and uncompromising. I truly admire and really do appreciate the attention to detail that goes into the design and manufacture of this knife. Fit and finish is first rate and I don’t question that nor do I know anyone who would. I have a single concern that, as a potential customer would like addressed. That concern is the reasonable limits of durability of this knife. Everything about the knife screams at me to buy it, because it is, well, actually quite attractive. However, I am in the market for a hard use knife that will be able to withstand heavy use that is in line with its price. Is the Green Beret designed for environments and situations that are unique to true survival conditions? Such as the need to baton firewood with a rock perhaps as the hammering device. Such an instance would be appropriate when the wood is scarce and rocks are abundant. Other such scenarios might include those such as myself being stuck and totally trapped in a steep canyon, where I might use the knife as a foothold for climbing after wedging it inside of a crack in a rock wall face. Is the Green Beret capable of withstanding this type of repeated shock and heavy load? I would assume it certainly is as it is the awarded knife of the Green berets and reinforces the assumption that it is a true survival tool. I require these tough qualities in a survival/combat grade knife and I would like to know if I can rest assured that the Green Beret might serve me well in the most dire of situations as I have described.
Thanks,
-Ryan

i'll post a follow up, like it or not, save me being banned. Props to Esav BTW for allowing free speech & expression on this forum.
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Saving for a bit a research. *sniff sniff* Something doesn't feel right with The Gigster. :grumpy:
 
Kind of off topic, but I think the controversy surrounding the testing of these fixed blades will PALE IN COMPARISON to the Cyberink that will be spilled the first time Noss snaps somebody's favorite folder in half. That's what I want to see.....
 
fespo276 said:
Kind of off topic, but I think the controversy surrounding the testing of these fixed blades will PALE IN COMPARISON to the Cyberink that will be spilled the first time Noss snaps somebody's favorite folder in half. That's what I want to see.....
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Such pettyness indicates jealousy, and/or an inability to purchase the benchmark of folding knives.
 
jdowell said:
Such pettyness indicates jealousy, and/or an inability to purchase the benchmark of folding knives.
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Um, you misunderstood, I think. I was not referring to Noss breaking a Sebenza, which I happen to OWN and carry daily. I just meant that ALL folders seem to have very loyal followings, and I think the response to one failing, reguardless fo the maker/brand, will result in much, much discusion..... I mean, you think Benchmade/Spyderco and Strider/Sebenza threads get a bit nutty now, imagine when one survives a mallet wack and the other doesn't......

Again, not referring to Sebenza, just a prediction....
 
Being an avid mountain climber, I'm not sure I would feel secure with a Project 1 on my belt. What if I had to hammer it into the side of a cliff to repel down from? Coult it withstand the weight of myself and my partner and all our gear? According to the tests we'd both be dead. Soldiers repell sometimes as well, so the GB might be a soldiers worst nightmare when dangling from the side of a sheer cliff.
-Ryan
 
why would you use a knife to rappel off of? One would think that there are more appropriate tools for the job, like cams or pitons perhaps? What kind of mountains are you climbing that a knife could be hammered into? Sandstone? :rolleyes:
 
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I climb large cliffs, the granite kind. A true "rough use" knife should be able to be driven into the side of the rock and support at least several hundred pounds of direct BOUNCING load.
 
Artilary6 said:
I climb large cliffs, the granite kind. A true "rough use" knife should be able to be driven into the side of the rock and support at least several hundred pounds of direct BOUNCING load.
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They did that in the olden days as well. Drive a sword in a rock, and he who could remove it would be king!;)

Regards,

Jos
 
jdowell said:
Such pettyness indicates jealousy, and/or an inability to purchase the benchmark of folding knives.
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Way to provide evidence for his position. He didn't say anything about the sebenza or even CRK knives and here you are frothing at the mouth.

He didn't even say something like "everybody's favorite folder" which could be interpreted as referring to the sebenza here in the CRK forum. He just said "somebody's favorite folder" which could be anything.
 
I would like you all to look at what you write before posting. Let's not let interpersonal insults interfere with technical analysis of the test.

Of course, that's almost inevitable, given that there is precious litle technical about the test itself. I am amazed that so much continues to be written about so clearly flawed a demonstration.

Can anyone show that each knife tested is struck at the same angle with the same amount of force? And if not ... :thumbdn:
 
As over-the-top as some of ColdSteel's advertising might be, not to mention their ethics, the tests were impressive.:thumbup:
 
In Artilary6's post (#100) in this thread, he asks in his Green Beret e-mail to CRK. . . .


Artilary6 said:
I have a single concern that, as a potential customer would like addressed.
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"As a potential customer ?"

Interesting, but are you really a "potential customer ?" Let's see. . . .


1. On 06-26-2008 @ 03:30 PM (post #88), of this same thread, you wrote. . . .

Artilary6 said:
When I emailed CRK prior to buying a Green Beret, I shared my concerns about the fragility of the steel and wanted to make sure the knife would be durable.
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2. On 11-16-2007 @ 01:09 AM ( post #1) you describe. . . .

Artilary6 said:
I decided to see how the Green Beret dug into wood. . . .
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5059700#post5059700


3. On 10-30-2007 @ 05:12 AM (post #23) you again, express ownership of. . . . .

Artilary6 said:
Hey, now that I have my sweet Green Beret, I am thinking about sharpening it [. . .] PS....Love my Green Beret!
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5013003#post5013003


4. On 10-22-2007 @ 03:42 AM (post #1) you tell a story. . . .

Artilary6 said:
Just got back from camping a little north of the Colorado River and had an excellent chance to use my new Green Beret 7" for the very first time.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


5. On 10-15-2007 @ 12:03 AM (post #9) you participate in a thread discussing "the most comfortable knife you've held."


Artilary6 said:
CRK Green Beret...really comfy
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4975701#post4975701


6. Yet again, on 10-11-2007 @ 01:05 PM ( post #14), you claim possession of a "Green Beret."

Artilary6 said:
I actually JUST recieved my 7" Green Beret a couple days ago.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315


7. And finally, another thread, "If you could have one knife whatwould it be?" . . . . 10-10-2007 @ 11:10 PM (post #28). . . .


Artilary6 said:
Chris Reeve's Green Beret! I just got mine and if someone took it away from me i'd cry like a little girl!
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4966113#post4966113



Hmmmm. . . . . . Clearly, you're not a "potential customer" of a "Green Beret" knife. Simply, you've purchased one. . . .months ago. According to you ! .

A bit of e-mail baiting ?



*sniff sniff*




In the same e-mail you state. . . . .


Artilary6 said:
Is the Green Beret designed for environments and situations that are unique to true survival conditions? Such as the need to baton firewood with a rock perhaps as the hammering device. Such an instance would be appropriate when the wood is scarce and rocks are abundant. Other such scenarios might include those such as myself being stuck and totally trapped in a steep canyon, where I might use the knife as a foothold for climbing after wedging it inside of a crack in a rock wall face. Is the Green Beret capable of withstanding this type of repeated shock and heavy load? I would assume it certainly is as it is the awarded knife of the Green berets and reinforces the assumption that it is a true survival tool. I require these tough qualities in a survival/combat grade knife and I would like to know if I can rest assured that the Green Beret might serve me well in the most dire of situations as I have described.
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Hmmmmm. . . . .


1. On 10-05-2007 @ 03:35 PM (post #1). . . .

Artilary6 said:
I love the way the knife looks and feels and I desperately want one. I plan on taking it camping abd using it for whittling larger sticks and for light use like cutting rope and stuff like that. I would never stick a knife like that into the dirt or do anything extreme with it that may damage it [. . .] If there is a decent chance that I will chip the edge of this $300.00 trying to simply whittle a stick or cut a rope, then i'll stick with my ka-bar in 1095 and save myself the pile of money. [. . .] I know this topic has been talked about many times but I feel it was mostly discussion and not actual reviews of the knife and how its held up under normal, practical use and wether or not is really is prone to chipping, even under light or normal use. I read Cliff Stamp's knifescience review about the GB and I just don't know what to say other than I would never do that to a knife.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315


:D


2. On 10-22-2007, 03:42 AM (post #1). . . .

Artilary6 said:
I really enjoyed using this knife and it will be my new best camping buddy [. . .] To preserve the edge longer, I believe I will bring a small saw or hatchet with me from now on to cut down my branches as I believe that these tools are much more appropriate for such a task, and I will enjoy whittling by the campfire and using the Green Beret for other enjoyable tasks that may arise and call for the use of a good, solid knife..
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


3. On 10-06-2007 @ 04:55 PM (post #6) you proclaim. . . .

Artilary6 said:
What kinds of things do you cut with it? Rope, whittling wood and such? Thats about all I would do with mine.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4955173#post4955173


Now you're an "avid mountain climber". . . . :eek:

Artilary6 said:
Being an avid mountain climber, I'm not sure I would feel secure with a Project 1 on my belt. What if I had to hammer it into the side of a cliff to repel down from? Coult it withstand the weight of myself and my partner and all our gear? According to the tests we'd both be dead. Soldiers repell sometimes as well, so the GB might be a soldiers worst nightmare when dangling from the side of a sheer cliff.
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Artilary6 said:
I climb large cliffs, the granite kind. A true "rough use" knife should be able to be driven into the side of the rock and support at least several hundred pounds of direct BOUNCING load.
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Lord have mercy.

Let's see. . . . .you (170 lbs), your buddy (we'll pretend he's also 170 lbs), and gear (80 lbs - on the side of caution) = 420 lbs of "direct BOUNCING load" on a fixed blade "driven into the side of the rock." The Project 1 blade thickness is 0.255" and the Green Beret's is 0.220". Anything is possible, but it would depend on how deeply the blade is driven into the crevice, how tightly wedged / secure the blade is between the rock surfaces, if the blade is vertical or horizontal, etc., etc., etc.

Being a ex-GI Joe and having more rock and rope time that you (military and civilian world), we were never trained to shove or "hammer" a fixed blade into a crevice. Dayum, I've never heard of such a feat, except in movies and TV. While my 30+ years of rock and rope time doesn't imply that it hasn't happened, I find your flare for disaster and immanent danger is. . . .well. . . .laughable.

If you're going for a fixed blade to shove in "the rock" . . . . instead of a camming device. . . . . :rolleyes:


*sniff sniff*
 
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GigOne said:
In Artilary6's post (#100) in this thread, he asks in his Green Beret e-mail to CRK. . . .





"As a potential customer ?"

Interesting, but are you really a "potential customer ?" Let's see. . . .


1. On 06-26-2008 @ 03:30 PM (post #88), of this same thread, you wrote. . . .




2. On 11-16-2007 @ 01:09 AM ( post #1) you describe. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5059700#post5059700


3. On 10-30-2007 @ 05:12 AM (post #23) you again, express ownership of. . . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5013003#post5013003


4. On 10-22-2007 @ 03:42 AM (post #1) you tell a story. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


5. On 10-15-2007 @ 12:03 AM (post #9) you participate in a thread discussing "the most comfortable knife you've held."




http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4975701#post4975701


6. Yet again, on 10-11-2007 @ 01:05 PM ( post #14), you claim possession of a "Green Beret."



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315


7. And finally, another thread, "If you could have one knife whatwould it be?" . . . . 10-10-2007 @ 11:10 PM (post #28). . . .




http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4966113#post4966113



Hmmmm. . . . . . Clearly, you're not a "potential customer" of a "Green Beret" knife. Simply, you've purchased one. . . .months ago. According to you ! .

A bit of e-mail baiting ?



*sniff sniff*




In the same e-mail you state. . . . .





Hmmmmm. . . . .


1. On 10-05-2007 @ 03:35 PM (post #1). . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4967315#post4967315


:D


2. On 10-22-2007, 03:42 AM (post #1). . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4993426#post4993426


3. On 10-06-2007 @ 04:55 PM (post #6) you proclaim. . . .



http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4955173#post4955173


Now you're an "avid mountain climber". . . . :eek:







Lord have mercy.

Let's see. . . . .you (170 lbs), your buddy (we'll pretend he's also 170 lbs), and gear (80 lbs - on the side of caution) = 420 lbs of "direct BOUNCING load" on a fixed blade "driven into the side of the rock." The Project 1 blade thickness is 0.255" and the Green Beret's is 0.220". Anything is possible, but it would depend on how deeply the blade is driven into the crevice, how tightly wedged / secure the blade is between the rock surfaces, if the blade is vertical or horizontal, etc., etc., etc.

Being a ex-GI Joe and having more rock and rope time that you (military and civilian world), we were never trained to shove or "hammer" a fixed blade into a crevice. Dayum, I've never heard of such a feat, except in movies and TV. While my 30+ years of rock and rope time doesn't imply that it hasn't happened, I find your flare for disaster and immanent danger is. . . .well. . . .laughable.

If you're going for a fixed blade to shove in "the rock" . . . . instead of a camming device. . . . . :rolleyes:


*sniff sniff*
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Well Gigone you have outed Artillery6. Nice Job.

Trouble is the thread is still here and intact. I Still want to know why two Expensive CRK fixed blades can not hang with a 10 dollar Chinese Knock off.

It is bigger than that really. Why buy ANY super expensive knife if there is no performance advantage? What task does the Project one or GB excel at?

Serious questions ok? Aside from looks which they have in spades, what are they good at Gigone?

Why should I buy one?
 
I Still want to know why two Expensive CRK fixed blades can not hang with a 10 dollar Chinese Knock off.
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What makes you think they can't? A couple of tests under highly questionable conditions? Years of use in the field speak for their quality.

Why should I buy one?
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You shouldn't.
 
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