CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

[BJE]

I like CS knives because they are well made and afforable (although pricey sometimes, but worth it) and I don't care if LT used another companies design for his knives as long as he makes a quality product at a good price.

 

[razorsdescent]

Not a good way to start your rep around here. The words i dont care if LT "used another companies design" will not help you make freinds very quick. Even the CS fanboys scuttle away like cockroachs when that mentioned.

Welcome to the forums but please listen to what im saying.

And since this guy has ressurected this thread anyone know what hole Russ crawled off too??? i believe that we were promised answers and the answers never came.

Russ if your reading this Put up or shut up.

Best regards, Razorsdescent

 

[Kohai999]

Not a good way to start your rep around here. The words i dont care if LT "used another companies design" will not help you make freinds very quick. Even the CS fanboys scuttle away like cockroachs when that mentioned.

Welcome to the forums but please listen to what im saying.

Razorsdescent,

Good advice, really! The reason that CS fanboys don't want to touch that point is:

1. It's the truth, kind of hard to argue with.
2. Does not matter what field you are in, it is not an honorable way to conduct business. There is a difference between borrowing design elements from something, and making it your own(A LOT of knife companies/makers do that) and flat out copying.
Look at the flak that Gerber got from APPROPRIATING from Columbia River, which I have NO idea why they would do that.

(That best regards thing is kind of addicting, isn't it?)


BJE, it is the attitude of "I don't care where it comes from, as long as it is good and cheap" that is building the Walmarts of the world, and killing the mom-and-pop stores, which I don't care what part of the country you are from, is not good.

Best Regards,

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I like CS knives because they are well made and afforable (although pricey sometimes, but worth it) and I don't care if LT used another companies design for his knives as long as he makes a quality product at a good price.

That's a great display of integrity.

 

[SpyderJon]

And since this guy has ressurected this thread anyone know what hole Russ crawled off too??? i believe that we were promised answers and the answers never came.

Russ if your reading this Put up or shut up.

I believe he (Russ) said that he'd already provided the answers he had, but in the end I believe he shot his wad in the first go-around and let his mouth write a check his behind couldn't cash as it were.

Sheesh! This IS the Zombie thread that wouldn't die!!!!

 

[razorsdescent]

Razorsdescent,

Good advice, really! The reason that CS fanboys don't want to touch that point is:

1. It's the truth, kind of hard to argue with.
2. Does not matter what field you are in, it is not an honorable way to conduct business. There is a difference between borrowing design elements from something, and making it your own(A LOT of knife companies/makers do that) and flat out copying.
Look at the flak that Gerber got from APPROPRIATING from Columbia River, which I have NO idea why they would do that.

(That best regards thing is kind of addicting, isn't it?)


BJE, it is the attitude of "I don't care where it comes from, as long as it is good and cheap" that is building the Walmarts of the world, and killing the mom-and-pop stores, which I don't care what part of the country you are from, is not good.

Best Regards,

Thanks for the kind words and yes it is addicting. Oh btw as per request from that that W&C thread i will email ya from wherever they stick me in the army, i opted for option 40 (ranger contract) so when i get the chance ill email ya from my post so you can laugh at the new and sadistic ways the guys at ranger school are gonna make my life a living hell So expect to hear from me outa the blue

Best regards, Razorsdescent

 

[3Guardsmen]

I don't think we'll see much more of "the dangerous one" around here again. I think it has something to do with the fact that he lacked the ability, or "proof", if you will pardon the expression, to defend his good buddy, and people were catching on to his slight of hand. If the evidence he claimed he had existed, he would have provided it. When I called him on it, he stated he had already provided the evidence, and when I called him on that, in true Magician form, he disappeared.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

Razordescent,
Good post! I'm glad you've noticed that someone has flown the coupe, too.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

I like CS knives because they are well made and afforable (although pricey sometimes, but worth it) and I don't care if LT used another companies design for his knives as long as he makes a quality product at a good price.

1) Affordable=pricey?

2) Integrity?

I would imagine that you epitomize the type of customer the company you are defending probably tries to target. Not something I'd be too proud of.

3G

 

[shecky]

Just to stir the pot some more, I, too, don't care if LT used another company's design for his knives as long as he makes a quality product at a good price. Or at any quality, at any price, for that matter. If a knifemaker feels his rights are being infringed, it's his responsibility to defend his property. If the design isn't patented, it may be a case of tough shit. As it should be. You can get on a high horse and rant about ethics this and morals that, but if laws aren't broken, ranting carries little weight. Nobody ever said running a business would be easy.

 

[DngrRuss1]

Wow, I haven't been here in weeks and you guys still take shots at me and make it personal- Put up or shut up, slight of hand, he dissappeared...

None of which is true. As stated before, you guys have been trying to play a game of chronology and taking a statement I made much earlier on, in another thread, about making more statements, I did so, then some of you folks said I never did that very thing. Talk about slight of hand... I am not very good at three-card-monty and have not tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

As stated before, my statements have been merely to provide another side to the CS and LT hatred. The haters have been able to spew with total impugnity and I simply threw out alternatives. They have not liked it, and have moved their attacks to me. Fine... I can take it.

As for my "lack of response", as I have said before, I work a lot of hours, own my own business, and actually have a family that wants to see me and spend time with me. Not to mention various family illness and personal matters that are, quite frankly, none of your damn business. You don't like it- tough.

I will say more when I get more, no sooner, no later. Mush of what I have already said on this and other threads re. CS and LT have either been ignored, blown off, or decried by the CS detractors. Fine. Everyone has a right to an opinion- except me and CS apparently.

My life does not revolve around BF and the CS haters. I have other things to prioritize my life with. Just cuz you guys don't have lives does not mean that I don't.

And 3Guardsman- take a deep breath, relax and calm down your rather inflated ego. You didn't chase me away. You're not making me quiver in my boots, nor making me worry about my personal, spiritual, intellectual, or internet life enough to cry myself to sleep. Though, you seem to be rather interested in what I have to say and do. Have a cocktail and friggin' relax.

 

[3Guardsmen]

Wow, I haven't been here in weeks and you guys still take shots at me and make it personal- Put up or shut up, slight of hand, he dissappeared...

I have yet to see the information you stated would be forthcoming (and then stated you had already provided), so it certainly does appear to be "slight of hand". You have not been posting, so in effect, you did "dissappear". As far as the "put up or shut up" statement goes, I didn't say it, but I certainly do wish you would make the information available.

None of which is true. As stated before, you guys have been trying to play a game of chronology and taking a statement I made much earlier on, in another thread, about making more statements, I did so, then some of you folks said I never did that very thing. Talk about slight of hand... I am not very good at three-card-monty and have not tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

"A statement"? You stated you had some information forthcoming about some other knife manufacturers (plural) that would highlight their lack of integrity. After delaying for a lengthy period of time, and after being called on the carpet about it, you stated that the "Strider/background issue" was what you were previously referring to.

The trouble with that is Strider is just one knife manufacturer, and everybody and their brother had become aware of the ordeal by the time you stated anything about it.

Next, you stated you were in the process of verifying the fact that LT/CS had no role in the outing of Mick Strider's background, and you would be back with more information to that effect. However, you did state that the P.I. (the one you stated you were going to talk to months ago), hired to investigate Mick Strider, had approached LT/CS about "being part of some action."

What is kind of funny, and at the same time really sad, is the fact that you stated that the Strider/background issue was the one you were going to use, to basically defend CS against attacks on their integrity. Then, after an involved party (on another forum) stated that LT was one of the parties behind the public outing of Strider's background, and I asked you (a good friend of the company/employees) for verification/clarification, you stated that you'd get evidence to the contrary, but never did.

It kind of looks as though you are (or were) caught between a rock and a hard place. If you knew about the Strider/background issue prior to the fiasco on the other forum, how did you know about it?

As stated before, my statements have been merely to provide another side to the CS and LT hatred. The haters have been able to spew with total impugnity and I simply threw out alternatives. They have not liked it, and have moved their attacks to me. Fine... I can take it.

All I have ever done was ask for information. Information you stated you were in the process of obtaining, but has never been forthcoming. I am merely stating fact. The things you are referring to as "attacks" are in fact opinions and fact. Stating that you are and were using "slight of hand" is my opinion. Stating that you "had dissappeared" was fact.

As for my "lack of response", as I have said before, I work a lot of hours, own my own business, and actually have a family that wants to see me and spend time with me. Not to mention various family illness and personal matters that are, quite frankly, none of your damn business. You don't like it- tough.

Not once have I (nor has anybody else for that matter) asked to, or wanted to, be privy to your personal life. So, save the drama, and stop using what I consider to be the "slight of hand". Nobody asked about your personal life, so don't put it out there as an "out".

I will say more when I get more, no sooner, no later. Mush of what I have already said on this and other threads re. CS and LT have either been ignored, blown off, or decried by the CS detractors. Fine. Everyone has a right to an opinion- except me and CS apparently.

Again with the "more info is coming" routine.
Again with the "victim" routine, too.
Cool magic tricks!

My life does not revolve around BF and the CS haters. I have other things to prioritize my life with. Just cuz you guys don't have lives does not mean that I don't.

Now you are the one making "personal attacks", yet you seem to forget entirely about those when you're whining about what a victim you are.

And 3Guardsman- take a deep breath, relax and calm down your rather inflated ego. You didn't chase me away. You're not making me quiver in my boots, nor making me worry about my personal, spiritual, intellectual, or internet life enough to cry myself to sleep. Though, you seem to be rather interested in what I have to say and do. Have a cocktail and friggin' relax.

I'm very relaxed, and I thank you for your concern. I quite enjoy getting the chance to search for the truth.

Regards,
3G

 

[3Guardsmen]

3Guardsmen:

Your remark about me being somehow in the employ of Cold Steel was received in the manner that you meant it!

And for the record, I am not associated with them in any manner, way, shape or form (except as a customer). Also for the record, I think Thompson's marketing, while effective (and I admire that), can really be cheesy.

At some point I'd like to try out some of the premium knives out there by custom and semi-custom makers....maybe they WILL make me ditch the Cold Steel!

Your civility is an asset to this board and I commend you for it.

As I side note, I don't know which one you are, Tilghman, Thomas or Madsen, but one of my relatives (who was truly a disgrace) put an end to Tilghman...

Randy,
I am sorry I didn't see your post until now. Thank you for the kind words! As far as my handle, well, I'm not one of D ), or even related to the "Three Guardsmen", but I am a fan of their grit, determination, and service to this great Country. It is interesting indeed to know that people on this very forum are aware of their relatives dating back to the days of the "Three Guardsmen". However, I'm sorry to hear that it was one of your relatives who killed Bill. I am sure that must have taken it's toll on your family for quite sometime. Thank you again.

Regards,
3G

 

[razorsdescent]

3G dont waste time on logic with this guy. He'll rationalize whatever you say, and then make up excuses like my family is in distress, I have a life.. yada yada yada. You know whats beautiful? He dissapeqars without a trace but with-in 4 i repeat 4 hours of this thread being ressurected he back, and in control ready to do battle for cold-steels honor.

Soooo you got freinds that notify you when you need to fight for LT's honor so you dont have to tear yourself away from your precious family when its not absolutley nessecary?

Dont make me laugh.

I dont have a life?????? thats interesting seeing has how i wasnt online at 12:30 in the morning argueing with people about coldsteel knives. That just doesnt sound like any life i'd want to lead.

As far as i (and anyone else here that i know of) am (are) concerned 3G has built up a pretty good reputation here. Do you know what that means??? that means i and others on this forum respect his opinion. You havent earned that kind of respect. So you resort to flinging insults.

Your before hand knowledge of the strider background fiasco belies your guilt. So take your trolling BS and your insults of respected Bf members, make like a tree, and get the F*$@ outa here

 

[SpyderJon]

Just to stir the pot some more,...

Its nice when people start off their posts like this, because it means I can ignore everything they have to say after that. Thanks :thumbup: !

 

[razorsdescent]

Its nice when people start off their posts like this, because it means I can ignore everything they have to say after that. Thanks :thumbup: !

Yes its very curteous of people to do that. And as for beigna ZOMBIE THREAD. Yeah it is. i cant beleive that this has reached nearly 15,00 veiws. Its also officialy a troll magnet. Home to trolls and SUPER TROLL alike

Im sure it in here already but for the record :

 

[Keith Montgomery]

Just to stir the pot some more, I, too, don't care if LT used another company's design for his knives as long as he makes a quality product at a good price. Or at any quality, at any price, for that matter. If a knifemaker feels his rights are being infringed, it's his responsibility to defend his property. If the design isn't patented, it may be a case of tough shit. As it should be. You can get on a high horse and rant about ethics this and morals that, but if laws aren't broken, ranting carries little weight. Nobody ever said running a business would be easy.

If designs are stolen then laws are broken. Just because some people don't have the money to take the design thief to court doesn't make it any less contemptible that the theft was commited. You of course can deal with any company you want. If you have no problem dealing with unethical companies, it is my opinion that you have a lack of integrity. If it was you or someone close to you that was being ripped off, I wonder if you would have the same outlook on things?

 

[Keith Montgomery]

By the way, I am of the opinion that CS doesn't purposely rip off other companies/peoples designs. I think they just do a very poor job of investigating whether the designs they are using have previously been patented.

 

[razorsdescent]

By the way, I am of the opinion that CS doesn't purposely rip off other companies/peoples designs. I think they just do a very poor job of investigating whether the designs they are using have previously been patented.

In al honesty do you really think that is what it is. Im not trying to be a jerk or start trouble but do you mean to say that LT doesnt ever rip anyone off?

 

[Keith Montgomery]

In al honesty do you really think that is what it is. Im not trying to be a jerk or start trouble but do you mean to say that LT doesnt ever rip anyone off?

I am not saying that I don't think CS has ripped off other companies'/people's designs, just that I don't think they do it purposely. Believe me, I know very well that I could be wrong with that assumption.