CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

Ben Rumson said:
As a CS customer myself who has stayed out of these back and forth forever arguments I take great exception with your statement here. I have no problem with folks who choose not to buy from CS and I expect the same courtesy from them. You, Sir, can take your insult of all CS customers and shove it where the sun don't shine.
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Please, Ben, explain my "insult of all CS customers", cause I'd really like to see it? All I did was state that GibsonFan seemed to me like the perfect customer for the company being discussed, because in my opinion, his arguments with regards to 'knife design evolution & borrowing' are very similar to some of the biggest supporters (DngrRuss1 comes to mind) of the company being discussed.

Oh, and if there is nothing wrong with the company being discussed, or nothing wrong with GibsonFan and his arguments, where is the insult? I mean, wouldn't one be proud to typify the ideal customer of such a great company, if they thought it was such a great company?

As far as a responding to the last line of your post, I won't sink to that level.;)

3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
You, sir, seem to me like the perfect customer for that company. That is not a compliment, in case you were wondering.

3G
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Your words seem pretty clear to me. Perhaps you can explain how this quote is not an insult to anyone who has ever purchased a Cold Steel product? You yourself say it is not a compliment. What does that make it then?
 
Ben Rumson said:
Your words seem pretty clear to me. Perhaps you can explain how this quote is not an insult to anyone who has ever purchased a Cold Steel product? You yourself say it is not a compliment. What does that make it then?
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Once again, if you think the company we've been discussing is a good company, then it is not an insult. I don't know about you, but I want to be the perfect customer for a company I like. Let me give you an example.

Spyderco's knives are considered by many to be very functional. However, they are also considered by many to be very ugly. If you were not a fan of Spyderco's aesthetics, and you felt that looks were more important than functionality, you probably wouldn't buy their products. You might even wonder how anyone with working eyesight could be attracted to such ugly knives.

Since I am a Spyderco fan, and could care less about their looks, you might tell me that "I am a perfect customer for that company". Coming from you, this could be intended as an insult towards me, since, in your opinion, I have no "taste" when it comes to good knives. However, to me, this would be a compliment, since I could care less about the looks of Spyderco's knives, and only care about how they function.

So, to reiterate, if one likes a company (what they make and what they stand for), it shouldn't be an insult to be told that one is "the perfect customer". If one feels that a company is a lousy one, then it most certainly could be considered an insult, by the person who made the comment. You stated you liked the company, so you shouldn't consider it an insult.

I hope that clears it up.

3G
 
Cold steel's product line isn't really much to write home about.

AUS8 is OK, but not stunning or even on par with the rest of the industry. Their carbonV fixed blades are OK, or so I hear, but I wonder how much longer they will last in their current guises. Camillus is not doing so hot, so in the near future we may not be seeing much of CarbonV or the more functional and value oriented Becker line either. Speaking of which, in terms of value and functionality, the becker line has cold steel's fixed line beat, hands down. Lets not even get into what 90 dollars for a recon scout can get you, scrapyard knives anyone?

For the sake I've brevity I won't get into the merits of the over the top marketing of CS, but I suspect that the "tactical mall ninja of death" will go the way of the dodo. CS, Blackhawk, and all of the other tactinerds will change their respective tunes eventually.
 
Maybe if you don`t like Cold Steel don`t buy it , There is plenty of other knives on the market . CS fills a niche in the market and there are plenty of people that will buy their knives Happily ! Benchmade fills a niche in the market and there are plenty of people happy to buy their knives and they`re plenty of people who hate Benchmade knives ! I personally will buy any knife as long as that knife is fit for purpose . I think alot of the people keeping this thread going should take a moment to reflect on how lucky they are to have the time and resources available to actually spend hours on end Bitching and moaning instead of wondering where your next meal is coming from ! MY vote is for this thread to be put to rest !

R.I.P.

Cheers and God Bless !
 
I kind of like how this thread keeps popping up. Anyone who has questions about all the Cold Steel drama can just read through this.
 
welcome to the mother of all threads! i like my cs recon tanto,and srk;the rest weather true or not i could not tell you! great customer service like love covers up a multitude of sins
 
The only CS knife I own is what was called the K5 Chef's knife, purchased many years ago. I hope CS no longer uses this pattern of serrations, because this thing is a saw, not a knife, and unsharpenable. I have an actual as-seen-on-TV (an artifact of a magazine subscription) Ginsu Knife that's more useful.

I've toyed with buying something CS that's sharp since then, but seeing that piece of crap in my kitchen junk drawer has put me off every time. On the other hand, I also have a CS Koga baton and an African walking stick, and those are a different matter entirely.
 
imho some cold steel fixed blades are pretty good, and priced right too, the folders are "ok" i suppose, really more entry level imho but servicable nontheless, most of the designs are getting a little long in tooth, some of the new folders are unlicensed copies and are priced wayyy more than i'd pay for anything CS, i dont think ya could ever get your $$ outta one of those if ya got it at retail, too much nice custom stuff for that kinda dollar.

but the stuff in the ~$80 range is "ok" - better than CRKT but not as good as spyderco/BM imho.

like i said "entry level".
 
better than CRKT but not as good as spyderco/BM imho
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Can't disagree with that, 2 points I would make would be.
The designs of the the knives are often more interesting than Spyderco/BM which personally find a bit samey.
Some of the fixed blades are excellent and worth the the Ebay price, if not the CS grossly inflated RRP.
The Tanto range, R1 Classic, Outdoorsman and Blackbear all good.
 
Wow, this thread really won't die, will it? So, let's stoke the fire a little more.

SIFU1A said:
imho some cold steel fixed blades are pretty good, and priced right too, the folders are "ok" i suppose, really more entry level imho but servicable nontheless, most of the designs are getting a little long in tooth, some of the new folders are unlicensed copies and are priced wayyy more than i'd pay for anything CS, i dont think ya could ever get your $$ outta one of those if ya got it at retail, too much nice custom stuff for that kinda dollar.

but the stuff in the ~$80 range is "ok" - better than CRKT but not as good as spyderco/BM imho.

like i said "entry level".
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Would that more of the anti-CS posts were like this one. Three times in the above post, Sifu made it very clear that this is his opinion. Certainly everyone is entitled to their opinion and while I may disagree with said opinion, I respect his right to have one and appreciate his statement. My issue, and it seems that those that either have positive response to CS or are neutral on the subject, don't like being told that they are wrong or are insulted by those that are so venemous re. CS.

I think that this whole CS sux or LT is a jerk bitterness and devisiveness does not help knife enthusiasts with their hobby. You don't like CS or it's marketing, then don't buy them. Insults of both LT, CS, its staff, or fans only make the playing field more muddy, rather than making anything more clear.

But, of course, that's just my opinion:D
 
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Keith Montgomery said:
This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friends,
Some people started typing it not knowing what it was
And they’ll continue typing it forever just because,
This is the thread that never ends....
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Well..............It is interesting to hear different members opinions, but this thread won't lead to anythign really, knife choice is a personal prefference, that would be like starting a topic about any knife company saying that there the best, or that they are the worst...Some people will like them and some people won't that will NEVER change no matter what! But I do find peoples thoughts to be entertaining...as far as what designs are ugly...and what are plain...well every knife company ahs its ugly ducklings, and they all have some really nice designs as well, like I said personal prefference....
 
DngrRuss1 said:
I think that this whole CS sux or LT is a jerk bitterness and devisiveness does not help knife enthusiasts with their hobby. You don't like CS or it's marketing, then don't buy them. Insults of both LT, CS, its staff, or fans only make the playing field more muddy, rather than making anything more clear.

But, of course, that's just my opinion:D
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In my opinion, it would be nice if LT would do that as well and stop badmouthing and insulting his competitors.
 
Its a dog eat dog world he does what he does to sell his knives...just a marketing stradegy...can't blame him...he's trying to run a buinsess...when it comes down to it its about the money like all buisnesses, and to say other knives are just as good or better doesn't pay the bills...
 
Keith Montgomery said:
In my opinion, it would be nice if LT would do that as well and stop badmouthing and insulting his competitors.
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Besides, insulting the INFAMOUS "LT" is a fun pass time! :D he is like an inept villian that everyone loves to hate. :D

its almost as fun as shoping cart soccer :D
 
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