CS- love 'em, hate 'em- time to address some issues

DngrRuss1 said:
Demko personally tells KV- who has been critical and unlfattering of me an my posts- that he has a patent, KV posts as much, but you state that I am lying or that LT is lying to me and the public. Amazing. Absolutely amazing.
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You presented the information with yourself as the source :

"The patent is owned by Andrew Demko, and CS has licensed that patent for use on those 2 knives. CS owes no endorsement, acknowledgment, or financial agreement to Emerson because it was not Emerson’s patent that was used. Emerson’s patent was not infringed upon because it was not Emerson’s patent that was used. Demko’s patent was legally licensed and paid for to use in the 2 knives listed, and the Wave does not even enter the picture because it was not Emerson’s patent that was used."

K.V. specifically said he was just repeating what he was told by Demko, so there is a large difference, you have never been clear of the exact source of your information, you could have just made all of that up, or been told it by Thompson or someone else at Cold Steel. You also made a stronger statement, if Cold Steel licensed the patent they obviously did the research so they know the patent number and when it was issued so just use your relationship with them and provide those facts, you are the one who keeps saying after all it is your goal to provide information so provide it.

-Cliff
 
Chris Meyer said:
Why is it so difficult to accept that someone might have views contrary to your own? You can agree to disagree without all of the animus. If you don't like Cold Steel knives, don't buy them. If you don't like their DVDs and advertising, ignore them or throw them away. If you think Lynn Thompson's a jerk, don't have anything to do with him.

Cold Steel is in the business of selling knives. Like most any business, if they have crappy products and customer service they eventually will go under. If their customers are reasonably satisfied, the company will prosper. Eventually the free market will take care of things. Therefore, I respectfully suggest that you guys just relax and not get so worked up about Cold Steel knives. Life is too short for such pointless aggravation.
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To me Chris, it isn't as simple as just ignoring him, or avoiding the CS products. To me it is more about our inherent responsibility as knife knuts.

We come to BladeForums to exchange information, ideas, experiences and opinions. So do many others, either new to the forums or new to knives in general. So, to simply let LT and Cold Steel slide by without pointing out our opinions about the quality, principles and practices that we feel are shoddy at best, is irresponsible. So as experienced knife owners/collectors/users, we owe it to those with less knowledge, to at least tell them not to believe all of the hype. Kind of like point/counterpoint. LT says that his kukri has better stopping power than a .357 Magnum, others say that only a fool brings a knife to a gun fight.

I own several CS products, some are decent, some are less than satisfactory, but my biggest problem with them is their used-car salesmen tactics. If you look at the cover of the "Solid Proof" dvd, the words underneath Cold Steel say; "Worlds Strongest, Sharpest Knives". That's pretty bold. And nothing that I saw in the dvd proves that either.

So if some people take umbrage at Dngruss1 coming here and trying bitch-slap all of the "haters", expect to hear about it. As far as him not being insulting, I find that his and Cold Steels hype, is offensive as hell. I may have been born at night, but it wasn't last night.

Jubei
 
JLane said:
someone gets out of line from the current "boys in charge" they are banished ASAP.......Well so much for a meeting of the minds, you were never going to listen to a different point of view anyway.
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To me this is not so much about CS knives right now, but about a guy who comes on to the forums, makes big claims, says that he privy to some insider information and the first little poking around uncovers some very important claims can not be backed up.

This is not about stepping out of line or listening about a different point of view, this is simply preventing the spread of questionable and false information and as you can see, no one has been banned yet.

phatch said:
Demko's patent could have been issued in the name of his business rather than his own name. So it might not show up in a name search.

Phil
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As to the name on the patent, no, it should not be the name of the company, but the name of the inventor. I am but an insignificant inventor on a patent that is owned by Schlumberger, a global company. But my name readily pops up on a search for the inventors name. For all those who still think that patent searches are something mystical, how about you entertain yourself and go to this webpage:

http://164.195.100.11/netahtml/search-bool.html

Select "inventor name" from the field and enter "Glesser", or if you want to avoid miss-hits enter Glesser-Louis-S. That should put your doubts to rest. And take note: you are not searching for "Spyderco".

To give this thread a slightly more entertaining note, my favorite patent (of the knife world) is this :), this should also give you an idea just what can be patented:
http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid...ageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=D26D53DB0643
 
HoB - The second link you posted is a browser killer.Must be an IE only site.
 
Yeah, on that second link you have to enable 'active X' to see anything.

STR
 
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No amount of back story or "insider" info has yet to change my basic opinion that CS products are generally cheap-feeling, uninspired at best, and at worst- homages of existing designs and concepts.

That is in a nutshell, why this enthusiast has stayed away from Cold Steel.

It's about that simple, sorry.
 
Sorry, guys. Yes, the second link is very slow for me as well. It seems that the second link works with Quicktime aswell.

The first link also states that the database is current up the 25th of April 2006.
 
Walking Man,

I said that you and DngrRuss1 disagree and suggested that you two agree to disagree. You responded with a childish "WRONG AGAIN!" Unless you two secretly agree on things and are just pretending to disagree, my first point is correct. The second was just a suggestion. Therefore, neither of my points was "wrong".

As for your explanation that “DungRuss is easier to spell, and to me, he's not worth the effort of attempting to get it right”, once again you prove one of my points, that you are being childish. I could suggest that you might be happier if you ditched the rage, but you'd probably just accuse me of being “melodramatic” again.

Jubei,

You claim to come to this forum "to exchange information, ideas, experiences and opinions" yet you insist on brow beating anyone who you think disagrees with you. Whether your positions are right or wrong, your inflammatory rhetoric is counterproductive to your stated purpose of enlightening people.

Incidentally, I haven't expressed an opinion on Cold Steel one way or the other. My posts have been directed at the rudeness of some of the people posting here. Obviously, my call for civility has fallen on deaf ears. Therefore, I shall not waste any more time posting to this thread.
 
I don't think much of Cold steel now,but mostly that is due to my experience and education in cutlery hobby.Cold Steel probably was the single biggest influence in the 1980's getting me into knife using/collecting.I loved their Tantos back then.They were solid,durable,affordable knives.They were the most sharpest knives I had ever seen.So, I can't really speak badly about Cold Steel,even though I wouldn't knives from them anymore.
 
I have to laugh at the hype police. :) :)
What knife company doesn't hype there product? They all say they make the best knife, yes some do it a little nicer than others, but they all hype them. Kind of funny but CS isn't even the worst on the hype, and I don't think I've ever seen any comments of LT's telling a customer off, like I have with some others.
 
Hype isn't just promotion, it is used to describe misleading or unsupported information. Spyderco, Ranger Knives, and Swamp Rat will all readily supply performance information to the consumer and not discourage the user from attemping to verify it, in fact they encourage it and participate in active discussion on the results.

R.J. Martin, Jimmy Fikes, Phil Wilson, and Alvin Johnston, will tell you what their knives can do in detail, encourage you to see for yourself and will also tell/show you what it takes to damage them. Watch Fikes video and contrast it to the Cold Steel video in both what it contains and how it is used by both individuals.

-Cliff
 
this thread is ridiculous. i am no longer reading it hoping to get any kind of information, i am just reading it for entertainment.
 
jryan said:
this thread is ridiculous. i am no longer reading it hoping to get any kind of information, i am just reading it for entertainment.
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That is the whole point, and it has been nothing but light entertainment from the start:thumbup:
 
jryan said:
this thread is ridiculous. i am no longer reading it hoping to get any kind of information, i am just reading it for entertainment.
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The same reason I watch the CS DVD.
 
I recently bought my first Cold Steel knife, a Recon Tanto.
Knice knife, knice sheath.

A while ago, my brother and I watched the Cold Steel DVDs; we laughed a lot.

DngrRuss1 makes some good points.

Who died?
 
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