Cts-xhp

nozh2002 said:
Well, this is really unfortunate that "made in USA" super performing steel is rejected in favor of average performing European Imports.
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Well if the Made in the USA, super performing steel could actually be attained in terms of some real lbs. we might actually use it.

Might keep in mind there may be reasons "why" prior to making silly assumptions and firing off on us (shaking head).
 
Everbody is intitled to there own opinion wich is what makes america great , people can sit in thier garages and cut cardboard and rope till there hands turn blue. I have extensive use at a plant nursery of alot of the steels listed here and I would say xhp is my best preformer (manix2) a close second would be my zdp cf stretch after that its a crap shoot I had a 755mpr and was so unimpressed with its preformance I just traded it on the exchange ,go check it out I'm not bs m390 did nothing for me compared to these other steels . Work includes a lot of twine cutting 1ply to 6ply ,burlap plastic pots and some other misc. Stuff
 
Oh yeah my boss street falls into the crap shoot of preformers ,but I'm not bushcrafting trees with it at work it was used for same work listed things
 
Thomas W said:
Well if the Made in the USA, super performing steel could actually be attained in terms of some real lbs. we might actually use it.

Might keep in mind there may be reasons "why" prior to making silly assumptions and firing off on us (shaking head).
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Yeah it's kinda hard to make knives out of air. :D
 
Every month same argument .why is it so important to you guys for other people to belive what steel works best for you?
 
spydusse said:
Everbody is intitled to there own opinion wich is what makes america great , people can sit in thier garages and cut cardboard and rope till there hands turn blue. I have extensive use at a plant nursery of alot of the steels listed here and I would say xhp is my best preformer (manix2) a close second would be my zdp cf stretch after that its a crap shoot I had a 755mpr and was so unimpressed with its preformance I just traded it on the exchange ,go check it out I'm not bs m390 did nothing for me compared to these other steels . Work includes a lot of twine cutting 1ply to 6ply ,burlap plastic pots and some other misc. Stuff
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Thanks, it is good to hear again that my rating is in deed match real hard use in real World. I may have some around house projects (and I do not keep my collection safe), but most use if only manila rope cutting tests, not of course what you have naturally.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Thomas W said:
Well if the Made in the USA, super performing steel could actually be attained in terms of some real lbs. we might actually use it.

Might keep in mind there may be reasons "why" prior to making silly assumptions and firing off on us (shaking head).
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Well, you just sad:

Thomas W said:
We don't have any plans as of today to use CTS-XHP. We're loving on the Euro PM steels these days.

I know, I know, we're missing out...
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did not you? Let me point it out: "We're loving on the Euro PM steels these days."
Sorry if I understand you the wrong way, I miss that "other" reason from your earlier statement somehow.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
spydusse said:
Everbody is intitled to there own opinion wich is what makes america great , people can sit in thier garages and cut cardboard and rope till there hands turn blue. I have extensive use at a plant nursery of alot of the steels listed here and I would say xhp is my best preformer (manix2) a close second would be my zdp cf stretch after that its a crap shoot I had a 755mpr and was so unimpressed with its preformance I just traded it on the exchange ,go check it out I'm not bs m390 did nothing for me compared to these other steels . Work includes a lot of twine cutting 1ply to 6ply ,burlap plastic pots and some other misc. Stuff
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That's two different companies, three different knife designs, and three different manufacturing facilities. What caused the difference in performance - the alloy content, the heat treat, or the blade geometry?
 
nozh2002 said:
Let me point it out: "We're loving on the Euro PM steels these days."
Sorry if I understand you the wrong way, I miss that "other" reason from your earlier statement somehow.
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Oh no problem Vasilli.

We've yet to use Carpenter at this time, as the CTS samples were not very good, and with it being unavailable at this time, we've had to turn our steel love elsewhere. That's not to say we won't use it in the future, just nothing to play with today.
 
hardheart said:
That's two different companies, three different knife designs, and three different manufacturing facilities. What caused the difference in performance - the alloy content, the heat treat, or the blade geometry?
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Well, in theory it is possible of course that properly made M390 with right blade geometry will beat just everybody. But from from what we have right now only one conclusion can be made.

Who knows may be 420J was just mistreated and with right heat treat and blade geometry it will outperform any other steel - how can we make sure that this is not possible as well?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Well, in theory it is possible of course that properly made M390 with right blade geometry will beat just everybody. But from from what we have right now only one conclusion can be made.
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What we have are conflicting reports from you, Ankerson, knarfeng, spydusse, and others. No conclusions can be made. Unless you wish to attempt to invalidate every other person's experiences based on a one knife sample. Again.
 
hardheart said:
What we have are conflicting reports from you, Ankerson, knarfeng, spydusse, and others. No conclusions can be made. Unless you wish to attempt to invalidate every other person's experiences based on a one knife sample. Again.
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I explained why Ankerson results can not be trusted - simple because hi did not hit base with curved 710 edge unlike other knives he tested - that was not addressed, knarfeng from what I remember do visual inspection which I also did initially five years ago but did not find this directly related to sharpness.

So conclusion is based on my formal test with strict procedure and real world hard use.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
In practice this did not shows up. Overloaded with vanadium carbides (niobium as well) steels are not on the top - you may check results for CPM S90V (14th place) or CPM S110V (22th place), they are not on the top at all, and behind simple compositions 1095 and 52100.

Same for overloaded with tungsten T1 (23th place).

And this is pretty logical. Vanadium was added for wear resistance - it would be good for steel flour in tank garage, it will wear slow, but edge is quite different thing, and this is exposed very well in test results. Those steel are not on the top.

Same for Tungsten - it was added to higher melting temperature and it is not quite related to edge holding really. T1 is not on the top as well, and it rusts super fast - it turns red right on my eye, when I wash blade after sharpening.

Thanks, Vassili.
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In my experience it does show up. Take a CTS XHP or other D2 knife and a S90V bladed knife and cut to failure on dirty, nasty, old carpet. See which one cuts longer.

It's going to be the S90V ( or S110V) blade if both were given the same, say 35 to 40 degree, 800 to a thousand grit edge to begin with.

Different horses for different courses. That's why I treat knives like regular tools. There are different tools for different jobs. Not better or worse tools, different ones designed to do different things.

Heck, cut plain two inch rope to failure on your rig and see which steels last longer. Not at high sharpness measured in grams, but cut until it won't cut anymore. It's not going to be D2. Joe
 
The Mastiff said:
In my experience it does show up. Take a CTS XHP or other D2 knife and a S90V bladed knife and cut to failure on dirty, nasty, old carpet. See which one cuts longer.

It's going to be the S90V ( or S110V) blade if both were given the same, say 35 to 40 degree, 800 to a thousand grit edge to begin with.

Different horses for different courses. That's why I treat knives like regular tools. There are different tools for different jobs. Not better or worse tools, different ones designed to do different things.

Heck, cut plain two inch rope to failure on your rig and see which steels last longer. Not at high sharpness measured in grams, but cut until it won't cut anymore. It's not going to be D2. Joe
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Yep, you are right on there Joe.
 
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