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If Frank had some problems with stolen shipments at Blade...
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I felt genuinely sorry for Dark Ops at Blade. What a catastrophe that Fed Ex should loose their shipment. I was genuinely pissed off at Fed Ex too. Fed Ex's reputation with me fell considerably.

But guess what? There were no DO knives at Blade West either. And what showed up at Shot were reportedly obviously not the real thing. In other words, it is painfully obvious that Fed Ex did not loose the package for Blade because there simply was no package for Blade. The excuse that Fed Ex lost the package was a LIE. Fed Ex was falsely accused. So much for honesty and ethics. If there was any "character assassination" going on here, it was Fed Ex under fire.
 
Want I should have said is that he failed to keep his word. Does it make him a bad guy? I don't know, but to say his record is 100% is not accurate.
 
sendec said:
He's a bad guy 'cause he wont give you a free knife to play with? After the way he's been slammed here I would'nt expect him to give anyone spit.
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Is it too much trouble to read a post? This was way back when he was running ER USA.
 
Will P. said:
Is it too much trouble to read a post? This was way back when he was running ER USA.
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Another worthwhile contribution :rolleyes:

The only goal of this thread has been to ridicule and mock someone whose ad campaign y'all didnt like 'cause it offended your delicate sensibilities and was'nt politically correct. Ya reap what ya sow.

And do you really, really think that the handful of whiners here will have an impact on anything? None of us are that important.

For the umpteenth time DOK will rise or fall based on their quality of business, without any help from the peanut gallery. You dont like'em, dont buy their knives. You dont like their ads, dont buy their knives, but I wanna be there when someone tries to tell Ernie Emerson that HIS ad campaign is too violent and over-the-top and makes us look "bad", and Strider, and Camillus, and Busse, and SwampRat, and Buck, and Gerber............
 
sendec said:
Another worthwhile contribution :rolleyes:

The only goal of this thread has been to ridicule and mock someone whose ad campaign y'all didnt like 'cause it offended your delicate sensibilities and was'nt politically correct. Ya reap what ya sow.

And do you really, really think that the handful of whiners here will have an impact on anything? None of us are that important.

For the umpteenth time DOK will rise or fall based on their quality of business, without any help from the peanut gallery. You dont like'em, dont buy their knives. You dont like their ads, dont buy their knives, but I wanna be there when someone tries to tell Ernie Emerson that HIS ad campaign is too violent and over-the-top and makes us look "bad", and Strider, and Camillus, and Busse, and SwampRat, and Buck, and Gerber............
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lol, dude, you're a total ass. no offense.
 
Will P. said:
Is it too much trouble to read a post? This was way back when he was running ER USA.
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This guy couldn't be bothered to read the actual ads that were being discussed. Sendec, there's a big difference between DarkOps hypermasculine hyperbole and, say, Buck's advertising strategy (to pick at random one of several companies you've indicated is equivalent to DarkOps). I challenge you to find any one ad, by one other knife company, that's as ridiculous as any DarkOps ad. Good luck. You'll have to read a DarkOps ad first, though. As as for everyone piling on because their ads have "offended our delicate sensibilities," that's patently ridiculous. Many more issues have been raised than just the content of their advertisisements.

Jeremy
 
can't someone with a scanner or camera just put some pics in this thread to show some of DO's advertising for those who haven't seen it yet?

BTW. really pathetic this thread is still alive and kicking, go figure. this has to be one of the dorkiest threads ever on BF where every poster just wants 'to be right'. jeez......give it a rest people. :rolleyes:
 
dennis75 said:
can't someone with a scanner or camera just put some pics in this thread to show some of DO's advertising for those who haven't seen it yet?

BTW. really pathetic this thread is still alive and kicking, go figure. this has to be one of the dorkiest threads ever on BF where every poster just wants 'to be right'. jeez......give it a rest people. :rolleyes:
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Well.....since I haven't weighed in yet, let me do so.

One of the reasons that people, like me and perhaps others in this thread get annoyed by the kind of marketing campaign employed by "Dark Ops" knives is that ultimately, it is this kind of thing that is easy for law enforcement, legislators and parent's groups to point to as an example of what they mean when they would like to refer to all knives as "dangerous weapons". I don't believe in the basic premise that knives are weapons, per se, but many people do - even little teeny tiny knives with natural scales, non-tactical, etc. This marketing campaign belongs right next to those three-bladed "glaive?" knives that are sold very cheaply and clearly have no utilitarian purpose. Dark Ops latest advertising offering is the "Interceptor 9/11". There are so many serrations and protruding sharp thingys on that knife, I thought I was looking at a Gil Hibben United Cutlery design, albeit dipped in black paint.

I am not for legislating garbage like this out of existence, but a persistent campaign of ostracism seems just the right formula for these people.
 
can't someone with a scanner or camera just put some pics in this thread to show some of DO's advertising for those who haven't seen it yet?
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Just go to their website. The print ads are the same stuff just printed full-page and premium-placed in major knife magazines.


My gym has a big pile of magazines. They get some but most of it is just last month's stuff that everyone brings from home instead of throwing away. I love this because I can read a magazine about some subject I know nothing about and pick up a bit and all for free. I read a really interesting magazine about sailboarding just the other day. In the past, I've taken my Blade and KI back issues and added them to the pile to sort of expose people to the better side of knives. But I can't do that anymore because the very first thing these people will see is this huge ad just re-inforcing every negative stereotype I'm trying to oppose. I thought, "I'll just tear that page out and nobody will see it." But the table of contents is on the other side of it. Those ads are just downright embarasing.
 
By the way, I noticed when looking through an issue of KI just last night that the DO knife in the ad is partially-serrated. My understanding is that serrated knives are a violation of the "Rules of War" being considered an especially cruel weapon (remember, the "Rules" we follow today date back to WW1). It is my understanding that the military specifically forbids serrated knives because if a soldier was captured with one, he could be tried for war crimes. My understanding is that hollow-point bullets are similarly classified. And yet the ammunition company that uses the same Ad firm as DO does specifically makes hollow-ppints and claims that they're used by the military.
 
First off, obviously my point was missed.

It's the behavior of many of the folks on this thread I have issue with.

Now, I'll speak from only what I know:

1) Frank Miller says he was not at Blade West either. If that's the case, no wonder his knives weren't there. Gollnick, were YOU at Blade West?

2) The knives I saw and handled at SHOT were Dark Ops knives -- exactly as they appear in the ads. The real thing down to every detail. The Paul Basal design was actually quite nice, and felt good in the hand.

3) The guy here from Springfield who has Law Enforcement friends, says something different than Frank. Frank says he gave them ER knives to borrow until their ordered DO knives came in. That was a pretty cool thing of him to do, wasn't it? Frank also invites our forum friend here from Springfield to his office to discuss it personally, too, if he feels up to it.

4) Frank's record with ER customers was stellar -- just reading the old threads from that forum should tell you enough.

5) There may be many reasons that the knives didn't come out yet in great numbers. Perhaps Frank is making sure that every bit of quality and attention to detail is spot on. I'd rather have a knife company that doesn't rush its product out to market before it's ready, than one that'll take your money and deliver a less than satisfactory product. Let's face it, Frank's advertising is making some serious claims about quality. Let the guy make sure he can live up to it. The results will tell us everything we need to know.

I'm going by what I've seen of Frank's behavior in the past here, and by who I met at SHOT. I don't know Frank that well, but from what I've seen and experienced, he is someone I'd like to get to know better. He certainly seems worth it to me. In the end, Frank's ability to deliver will be all that matters. Why not wait for concrete evidence one way or the other instead of getting all hot and bothered here and piling on like a bunch of bar drunks?

I'll repeat this again, though: my particular issue here isn't with Dark Ops. It's with the pettiness of folks who are so brave behind a keyboard and would never be so bold in person. If you're that worried about the impressions that "people who like knives" make on the general public, then PLEASE don't let anyone read this thread. It'll confirm that many here are way too immature to be handling sharp things.

Out here,

~Brian.
 
Brian since you have seen the DO knives first hand, can you please comment on the similarities of DO knives compared to ER knives??
 
Brian Jones said:
It's with the pettiness of folks who are so brave behind a keyboard and would never be so bold in person.
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If you knew me, you'd be aware that this is a big log of bullsh*t.

Brian Jones said:
It'll confirm that many here are way too immature to be handling sharp things.
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:rolleyes:

That is an even bigger crock of bullsh*t.

The fact that you seem to have no problems with associating with DOK speaks volumes about your personality. Frank's ad campaigns and people who don't find them disturbing are immature armchair commandos, not the other way round.
 
Brian Jones said:
1) Frank Miller says he was not at Blade West either. If that's the case, no wonder his knives weren't there. Gollnick, were YOU at Blade West?
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No, I was not. Refer to post #38 in THIS thread.
 
It's with the pettiness of folks who are so brave behind a keyboard and would never be so bold in person.
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I'd be more than happy to discuss these same issues in person.
 
The fact that you seem to have no problems with associating with DOK speaks volumes about your personality.
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Let's try and avoid the personal attacks here.

Mr. Jones is a very well-respected person here on this forum and in the community in general.
 
In the end, Frank's ability to deliver will be all that matters.
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As I've said before, if the knives are knock-off designs, I don't care how well-made they are or how well-delivered they are.
 
Gollnick said:
Let's try and avoid the personal attacks here.

Mr. Jones is a very well-respected person here on this forum and in the community in general.
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Please read his personal attacks I quoted in my post.
 
Brian Jones said:
The only things anyone here knows is:

--The Dark Ops marketing campaign. If you don't like it, stick to commenting on that -- you don't know anything else, so STFU.

--Frank Miller's reputation: by all historical records here and elsewhere, Frank has a solid record of committment to customers and others, including honesty and ethics in his dealings. He was extremely consistent here. So, don't speculate: a man's past behavior is thebest indicator of future behavior. Yet all this has been completely ignored by the
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The Dark Ops marketing campaign IS what the comments are about. Over-the-top, and unsupported by actual product. Those of us who have been disappointed by Frank's change from a responsive ER rep to a shadowy and unreliable manufacturer have every right to comment, even if some of the comments have gotten ... umm ... light hearted. If you can't see that, maybe you're the one who should STFU.

Frank Miller WAS good and now he IS bad. That's NOT consistent. This is not the first thread on Dark Ops by a long shot. He had a chance to weigh in and he has not bothered. He has not bothered to respect THIS community with decent advertisements, with promised prducts, or with a personal explanation of what's going on.

Brian Jones said:
If you have problems with his marketing, then say it, but do it respectfully. Frank deserves no less. As a good businessman, I'm sure he'll listen. But, another indicator of his professionalism is that he hasn't bothered to answer this worthless "trash-fest" here. There's nothing to answer to -- it's all speculation.
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When this all started, despite tha ads and the website, I still supported him, for what he had shown on the ER forum. He didn't support my support, though. He never came here to say a word, even back when the comments weren't all negative. I finally came to think he turned his back on our community, knowing he wasn't selling to us anymore.

It wouldn't all be "speculation" if he had bothered from the start to give us any input.
 
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