Dave Canterbury posted an apology vid on his channel.

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I like Dave Canterbury, I also like Cody lundeen, they both have grat info to teach, Davy was a little more of a bear grylls type, but you know what? They both offer experience. He who is pure cast the first stone.. I'd say 99% of people embellish and lie... I know I'm no saint. And most on these kinda forums are armchair survivalist.. Honestly the word survivalist truly mean every day you live what you preach... So I tend to use the word woods bumb or woodsman. Real survivalist are really scarce, no one wants to live like that it's a extreme life style and seriously most people on these boards are not survivalists.. There woods bumbs. If your using a computer and your have over 2000 posts I wouldn't call yourself a "survivalist". I'm not tryin to fight, so all you Sally's don't Even start crying. You live in a house with a furnace and air conditioner,tv and furniture. You sleep in a nice warm bed and you go to a building that is heated/cooled. Your job. This is a sight to discuss your interests. For help and for entertainment.....All tv is scripted. Anything on tv you see, besides live news feeds. I still respect Dave Canterbury, he has more knowledge than me. les stroud truly is an exception. But still his shows are somewhat scripted.
 
remmmm said:
Until Cody starts wearing shoes (maybe he has??) he's into primitive skills not real-world scenario survival skills IMO. I mean if any of us found ourselves in the wilderness in a survival situation, would your first thought be to take off your shoes before heading out into the wilderness??? It's just ridiculous.
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cody lundin doesn't recommend that anyone remove their shoes in any situation (actually he advises against it).

fyi, he's knows a great deal about both primitve and real-world scenario survival skills.
 
So the embellishment is he lied on his resume and received jobs and lots of money, that he otherwise would not have gotten.
And that it is a question of honor to use the prestige of those that have worked very hard and died to be in these units
Conceptually not legally: it is Stolen Honor.

The honorable thing is to live with the shame, with his apology but no excuses are acceptable
And he sat there in his video making embarrasing poorly excuses that nullified any sense of contrition.

He set himself up for not accepting his apology
 
neeman said:
So the embellishment is he lied on his resume and received jobs and lots of money, that he otherwise would not have gotten.
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or maybe he would have gotten the job regardless.

(most) people have forgiven cody lundin knowing of his past.

again, dave still served our country, i guess that means absolutely nothing.
 
four_shore said:
i guess that means absolutely nothing.
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Mykel Hawke hired him after his release from the Discovery Contract.

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Rather impressive that an SF Veteran and Military Advisor picked him up that quickly, isn't it?
 
tobii3 said:
Mykel Hawke hired him after his release from the Discovery Contract.

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Rather impressive that an SF Veteran and Military Advisor picked him up that quickly, isn't it?
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of course i was referring to the people in this thread that are struggling with forgiving dave.

that and it was a response to neemans post...
 
My apologies four, I wasn't clear enough in my post...the fact that an SF veteran hired Dave almost immediately after his release from Discovery would make it rather obvious his apology was accepted...which goes completely against what neeman posted...

he set himself up for not accepting his apology
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tobii3 said:
My apologies four, I wasn't clear enough in my post...the fact that an SF veteran hired Dave almost immediately after his release from Discovery would make it rather obvious his apology was accepted...which goes completely against what neeman posted...
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ahh, that was my mistake.

i took it the wrong way.
 
tobii3 said:
My apologies four, I wasn't clear enough in my post...the fact that an SF veteran hired Dave almost immediately after his release from Discovery would make it rather obvious his apology was accepted...which goes completely against what neeman posted...
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It is a personal choice to accept or not accept.

But if one of my kids came to apologise, but set it up that they were still making excuses.
Then I would be clear that they were still not really contrite about their actions.
And I would ask them to look at what and how they were saying

And I heard too much of
"Hey I did not hurt anyone, everyone makes mistakes, who here is blameless to cast the first stone..."
As apposed to
I did wrong, and I am sorry

Here we call it a four-eyed apology
You look straight in to the other person's eyes
You suck it up and say you are sorry
no wimpering after......
 
neeman said:
It is a personal choice to accept or not accept.

But if one of my kids came to apologise, but set it up that they were still making excuses.
Then I would be clear that they were still not really contrite about their actions.
And I would ask them to look at what and how they were saying

And I heard too much of
"Hey I did not hurt anyone, everyone makes mistakes, who here is blameless to cast the first stone..."
As apposed to
I did wrong, and I am sorry

Here we call it a four-eyed apology
You look straight in to the other person's eyes
You suck it up and say you are sorry
no wimpering after......
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i can't disagree with that.

maybe he just sucks at apologizing :)
 
neeman said:
It is a personal choice to accept or not accept..
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Whether or not you, me or anyone holds a grudge against him will have no impact on a fellow Soldier who already forgave him and hired him.

What makes this all so ridiculous is how it started. A bunch of people were jealous and pissed off that Dave was chosen over them. That's embarassing.
 
Holding a grudge and not being accepting someone's apology is not the same.
A grudge is active holding on to your injustice
Not accepting an apology can be a dismissal without care

And whatever the external prompt for Dave to be found out, whether it was in itself honorable
Dave supplied the fuel
And that is the issue
 
tobii3 said:
My apologies four, I wasn't clear enough in my post...the fact that an SF veteran hired Dave almost immediately after his release from Discovery would make it rather obvious his apology was accepted...which goes completely against what neeman posted...
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I won't say it's about accepting Dave's apology more so about his expertise in survival. He might not be a decorated servicemen but he is certainly a survival expert and has taught this via the pathfinder school for a good amount of time now considering his age. Dave's not a bad guy he just made a mistake, a mistake that didn't cost anyone harm or their life. He is a likable guy and obviously know how's to teach survival. His replacement Joe is unimpressive and just because he served doesn't mean I need to automatically like him.
 
Well I am just glad that he did man up and say that he lied. I really like watching his videos and have learned some cool things.


Bryan
 
Lots of folks here have good hearts, here. Dave has made some decent contributions to the survival community but I have to speak honestly...

A meaningful apology happens when the SHTF, not after every other way to avoid it fails. This isn't an act of honour... it's a last ditch effort. He talks of human nature, religion and how everyone else makes mistakes, more than admitting his own wrongs. I could have forgiven him for any of the things he did(people do make mistakes)... had this apology came out in a timely manner.

I think I have less respect for him now, than before I watched that video.

On a side note... I am impressed with how many of you are willing to forgive and forget... good job. I wish I would have watch the video you saw.:p

It will be interesting to see if my YT comment gets approved... :)
 
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Rick Marchand said:
A meaningful apology happens when the SHTF, not after every other way to avoid it fails. It wasn't an act of honour... it was a last ditch effort. He talked of human nature, religion and how everybody else makes mistakes, more than admitting his own wrongs. I think I have less respect for him now, than before I watched that video.

On a side note... I am impressed with how many of you are willing to forgive and forget... good job. I wish I would have watch the video you saw.:p
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I did not hear him admit what he did. What he did that was wrong. What he was actually apologizing for. I guess someone who had followed his "outing" as a "poser" might understand what he was talking about, but I would guess the majority of his fans and those only vaguely familiar with him would not. The pitiful part is that he seems to really have some experience and skills to teach without garnishing his resume. Lundin, Gryllis, most of them do the same thing as a means of self promotion. No doubt it is the show owners/producers who push them to do it for the publicity, but still... I don't have to forgive him. I just have to add him to the list of "eggspurts" in survival who have earned my distrust. Not that it mans flip to any of them.
 
"Garnishing his resume"

I no longer am discussing anyone in particular
I am addressing about lieing on your resume

I applied for a promotion for a managment position in my company
The job required a first degree
I don't have one, and it would be very difficult to check it I did or did not
I applied without garnishing
Having or not having a BA in no way comproimised my competance in my job
It adds nothing to my qualifications in reality
I did not get the job for other reasons like having to move for Israel to California
(and the successful applicant lied about a BA, and when found out was fired on the spot)

But if I say on my resume that I have been thru a very tough selection to a training course
Where the selection itself puts me in to an special standing
And then the professional level of this course shows that I have a very high level of competance in the subject
And there is great prestige in taking this course and even greater working for this company
I am relying on all of this as a proof of my being qualified
This is no longer garnishing my resume........
 
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