David Mirabile RONIN Battle Tanto WIP (PAGE 25 NEW CUTTING VIDEO)

[Dawkind]

I found yer Pokeman Go and it's right here.....

 

[sheathmaker]

One point....while he may lean to menuki being decorative, how they are used by the swordsman is germane.
STeven Garsson

Damn! I was really trying hard to keep up with all this Japanese, but now STevie has thrown German into the mix and my Google translator has blown a gasket!

Paul

 

[JParanee]

Damn! I was really trying hard to keep up with all this Japanese, but now STevie has thrown German into the mix and my Google translator has blown a gasket!:roll eyes:

Paul

Funny pappy

 

[NihontoEd]

Sir, this thread seems to be spiraling towards what I had hoped to avoid, defensive confrontation. I won’t be drawn into senseless argument, therefore I will reiterate a few facts and be done. The folks who read this post can form their own opinions on what to believe.

Refering to what I have posted as a battle Tanto I just would of had better taste than to pop in on one of your threads and call you on it

I have said repeatedly that I don’t care what you call it, and that my goal was education oriented only ! You stated previously that you welcomed the comments. ??

My purpose of using references to Japanese cutlery terms is and was to draw people into the genre and get them interested.
Not to be disrespectful but my goal is to interest people in Japanese style blades and their use not to turn them off. I am giving them basic info to get them interested.

That is great and I appreciate your enthusiasm. However, when the information you give is wrong, how does that help ???

A few examples:
Initially you stated: “most blades that are called Tantos are not Tantos but really Kwaikens”.
Straight up, flat out wrong !!!

You bring up this comment of mine when I referred to Tanto as having a guard
You said this :
Incorrect. Tanto, Wakizashi and while rare, even Katana can be mounted without a guard. Tanto are the most common, but many wakizashi are mounted without a guard. When mounted this way, they are known as “Aikuchi” mounts (like the Kaiken).

My point is
in a general overview MOST Tanto have a guard if not they are called a Tanto with Aikuchi mounts
So I'm not incorrect

That may have been what you meant (MOST), but it is NOT what you wrote and I am not psychic !
You wrote in three separate posts regarding tanto and Wakizashi, and I quote:
“Both have a guard”
“One thing both have is a guard”
“There are many materials to make the guard (Tsuba) that distinguishes this as a Tanto”

Like it or not, as presented, it is wrong !

A guard does not distinguish a blade as a tanto, the length criteria does !
Why is that so hard for you to comprehend ? It is common knowledge and accepted worldwide !

And again when it comes to length I would not have quoted a direct Wiki discription of what is the Japanese definition of length and than go on to say you can call it what you want But I AM CALLING THIS HYBRID THIS if I were trying to mislead people on classic definitions

Never said you were. It is not misleading at all, it is however, confusing to those individuals who don't know the difference. You are attempting to promote interest in this field, but you are providing incorrect and confusing information throughout this post.

I was buying swords from the likes of Bell 25 years ago and I do own blades from Mills , Bell , Clark etc so I understand what you are saying but my goal is to draw them in to the Japanese blade genre not over complicate it at this point

Can’t you see that providing confusing and incorrect information will only further complicate the subject for those people who are interested ????

You are correct no blade made outside of Japan is a true Japanese blade but the chance of someone putting out the funds for a true Japanese Sword is rare and I do not consider the stuff coming out of Chen, Hanwei and Bugui even though decent Japanese like objects true Japanese swords either

Of course Chen, Bell, Mills, Hanwei are not genuine Japanese swords. Never said they were.
However, they all follow the length criteria in the designation of Tanto, Wakizashi or Katana !

If you can refer to the last knife you pictured as Tantoish I have no problem Refering to what I have posted as a battle Tanto

I get that, but once again, you totally missed the point. The point of that post was to emphasize that I am all for Japanese inspired hybrids. The big difference and the other point you missed is that my knife falls within the length criteria for a Tanto. It is not wakizashi-ish

I just would of had better taste than to pop in on one of your threads and call you on it

This is a public forum. If you don’t want to be called on posting blatant incorrect information, get your facts straight prior to posting.

One last correction. It is WakiZashi, not WakiSashi.

With all that said, this gristled old fart is off to find Pokemon.

 

[JParanee]

While David is prepping to Scribe the Tsuba and start SAYA he was kind enough to send me some pics that give a glimpse of what the Tsuba will look like with the handle

His hammer has done a great job in adding a very cool look to the iron ...... Matches the carbon Finder Tsuka well ....... Yea I know it's supposed to be cover in ray skin

 

[Dawkind]

Great job! That iron tsuba does have the texture that makes it shimmer like the carbon-fiber.

 

[VicS]

Looks great Joe

 

[JParanee]

I said I welcomed comments

I do not welcome arguing over the traditional term of 3 inches of blade on a NON Japanese Piece

I was talking about performance enhancing parts of the piece like handle shape , materials used etc

This is not considered a traditional piece

My examples of what most consider a Tanto were broad but not incorrect

This is considered a Kwaiken to the Western world correct or not



I know it's wrong

But I hope we don't have to have a page long correction by you

Listen friend ......I would call you your name .....if I knew it but I don't

I apreciate what you are saying but if your looking for a place to resonate your purist sentiments and your knowledge I would prefer you would start your own thread and do so

Nothing I have stated has been incorrect from the general description of a Tanto to Menuki you are making a big deal out of a NON Traditional piece and pissing over a thread covering a hard working smiths interputation of a Japanese styled blade

Yes I should of said not all Tantos have Guards .... There you got me you are right

I should of said this is big for a Tanto so it could be considered WakiZashi size ........ Oh I did in my first paragraph


Now can I get back to what my friend is doing or should he shelf the project and let you continue on here with your diatribe

Again this is not a traditional blade and we will for Southern sake call it a WakiZashi

Happy buddy

If your looking to impress people with your knowledge you would be better served using your name and showing us something instead of arguing your point about how wrong I am

 

[JParanee]

Looks great Joe

Thanks VicS

I'm very excited about this piece

I've been pushing David for more pics

 

[JParanee]

Great job! That iron tsuba does have the texture that makes it shimmer like the carbon-fiber.

That's what I'm seeing too buddy

 

[BenR.T.]

Looking good. I have always loved David's fusion of style and material. Ancient and modern. His work stands out across the room. Love it.

 

[BladeScout]

Well said, JP.

I hope this can get back on track - strong feelings about a traditionalist POVs might be better expressed in a different thread, so we can concentrate on David Mirabile and Joe Paranee's beautiful blade and handle on what-ever-we-choose-to-call-it.

I have no dog in this fight and as stated see no reason why a traditionalist blade cant co-exist next to a more modern interpretation. I welcome both the traditional blade and hybrids.

Last but not least and IMO thought provoking: My knifemaker friend, Lars, recently stated when he made me a beautiful Santoku (interpretation) out of wrought iron from the 1700s and White Paper steel and we discussed handle materials "As this is going to be a user, I suggest micarta. Had the old Japanese makers known about micarta, theyd have gone for that."

 

[Kohai999]

Of course Chen, Bell, Mills, Hanwei are not genuine Japanese swords. Never said they were.
However, they all follow the length criteria in the designation of Tanto, Wakizashi or Katana !

Michael has told me that the difference between o-tanto and ko wakizashi is confusing and annoying to him, and he doesn't really care what it is defined as.

Also, since we are throwing around "correct" terminology, even the Japanese DO have anomalies in terminology....like "chisa katana". Short blade, long handle.....not easy to define. I mean, at what point is the blade short in relation to the long handle? What determines that it is a long handle?

FWIW, you have been around long enough to own your posts by signing off with your given name, unless you have a compelling reason not to do so.

Last but not least and IMO thought provoking: My knifemaker friend, Lars, recently stated when he made me a beautiful Santoku (interpretation) out of wrought iron from the 1700s and White Paper steel and we discussed handle materials "As this is going to be a user, I suggest micarta. Had the old Japanese makers known about micarta, they would have gone for that."

Maybe.

There was a paper based micarta that Al Mar Knives used that originated from Japan called "camouflage". It was truly something special, and nobody seems to know which factory made it up. It was featured on the late '80's/early '90's era Fang, SERE and Eagle knives, as well as some tanto and Tanken. I can agree THAT material or similar was something that the old masters might have considered for using pieces.

It has taken David Mirabile a very long time to come up with his style. "Long time" in the sense of finding materials that reflected his vision and getting access to them(yellow cedar, carbon fiber, copper in the right sheet thickness, ivory artifacts that he felt comfortable using in his work........

I love what David is doing with this work, lucky to own a few pieces of it, two of them made with me in mind....and salute his determination to continue to find his shibumi.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Tad Lynch]

Can't wait to see the finished piece! !!! It's all coming together so nice, gonna be truely badass.

Tad

 

[Scurvy092]

The knife by any other name will be just as bad ass.

 

[JParanee]

Thanks all I really am sorry if I mislead any of you with my incorrect terminology

Some people thrive to make others look bad and hide it to look like they are educating

That's not my gig


David is starting on the SAYA

Which is something he puts a ton of hard work into

It is Traditional only in shape and application

I hope this doesn't elicit a full page essay from our new contributer

But hey Southern if ya have too .... have at it

 

[sheathmaker]

....and salute his determination to continue to find his shibumi.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

This thread is killing me! I've heard for a long time David couldn't find his ass, but had no idea his SHIBUMI was lost too!

Paul




Disclaimer: Before any of you take offense, I love David like a son. He and Joey and Stevie are my "boys"

 

[JParanee]

This thread is killing me! I've heard for a long time David couldn't find his ass, but had no idea his SHIBUMI was lost too!

Paul




Disclaimer: Before any of you take offense, I love David like a son. He and Joey and Stevie are my "boys"

Your on a roll Paul

I think your right

I have not heard from him since breakfast where he sent me a pic of what he was eating not the project


I hope he finds his way to the shop today

 

[Dawkind]

I hope he finds his way to the shop today

Maybe the Harley called.......

 

[JParanee]

Maybe the Harley called.......

I hope not he's been known to fall off too